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Any one else interested in Pre-Indo-European swag. What I find interesting is the Pre-Aryan Indian culture of Harappa and various cultures in Prehistoric Europe have both worshiped Mother Goddesses
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Crete: Eteocretan
Cyprus: Eteocypriot
Aegean: Lemnian
Anatolia: Hattic
Armenia: Urartian
Sicily: Sicanian and Elymian
Italy: Etruscan, Rhaetic, Camunic
Iberia: Aquitanian, Tartessian, Iberian
Persia: Elamite
India: Indus Valley language?
Sri Lanka: Vedda language?
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>>593193
>Any one else interested in Pre-Indo-European swag.

1. DEFINE "PREINDOEUROPEAN SWAG".

2. YOU INTENDED TO TYPE A QUESTION, SO THE GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT SIGN AT THE END WOULD BE AN "INTERROGATION SIGN", NOT A PERIOD.

>What I find interesting is the Pre-Aryan Indian culture of Harappa...

1. "INDOEUROPEAN", AND "ARYAN", ARE NOT MUTUALLY SYNONYMOUS; THE FORMER IS A LINGUONYM, THE LATTER IS A SOCIOCULTURAL TERM, AND/OR A RACIONYM.

2. THE HARAPPAN SETTLEMENT, AS THE WHOLE OF THE INDUS VALLEY CIVILIZATION, WAS ARYAN; THE INDICATIONS OF THERE HAVING BEEN AN INCHOATE "'GODDESS' CULT" ARE PROBABLY DUE TO THE NONARYAN REMNANTS FROM BEFORE THE ARYANS CAME AND ESTABLISHED THEMSELVES IN THAT ZONE —ARYANS USED TO INTEGRATE INDIGENOUS POPULATIONS WHEREVER THEY SETTLED, RATHER THAN EXTERMINATING, ENSLAVING, OR EXPELLING, THEM.

>What I find interesting is the Pre-Aryan Indian culture of Harappa and various cultures in Prehistoric Europe have both worshiped Mother Goddesses

WHY IS THAT PARTICULARLY INTERESTING FOR YOU?
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PIE theory doesn't explain all of the relevant history, desu. Its main focus point is language, even then it takes you historically to a point and still leaves you with many questions about other cultural influences and exchanges that happened, but are not mentioned by the theory.

Sumerian and Egyptian specifically, plus the Indo-Aryan origin itself came about after AIT/AMT which suggests a further origin in Central-Asia, or the Ancient Near East.
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>>593302
>THE HARAPPAN SETTLEMENT, AS THE WHOLE OF THE INDUS VALLEY CIVILIZATION, WAS ARYAN

What evidence is this based on?
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>>593324

IT WAS AN AGRICULTURAL SOCIETY, IT WAS AN URBAN SETTLEMENT, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS SIMPLE AND MINIMAL, THE ART IS SIMPLE AND MINIMAL, THE ARTIFACTS ARE SIMPLE AND MINIMAL, THE URBAN LAYOUT IS ORDERLY AND PREPLANNED, AND THE SWASTIKA WAS THEIR SYMBOL.
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>>593324
capslock aside, kalibangan had fire altars in a distinctly harappan city
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>>593342
The swastika, agriculturalism and urban society aren't IE-specific. "Minimalistic" art and "orderly" layouts are even less so.

Indeed this "order" had pre-IE origins in the societies running from Crete to India and reached its apogee in hellenistic times.
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>>593351
>The swastika, agriculturalism and urban society aren't IE-specific.

1. QUOD VIDE:

>>593302
>1. "INDOEUROPEAN", AND "ARYAN", ARE NOT MUTUALLY SYNONYMOUS; THE FORMER IS A LINGUONYM, THE LATTER IS A SOCIOCULTURAL TERM, AND/OR A RACIONYM.

YOU MEAN "ARYAN SPECIFIC", NOT "INDOEUROPEAN SPECIFIC".

2.

— THE SWASTIKA IS AN ARYAN SYMBOL.

— THE ARYANS INVENTED AGRICULTURALISM.

— URBAN SOCIETY IS POSSIBLE ONLY DUE TO AGRICULTURE, SO URBAN SOCIETY IS ALSO AN ARYAN INVENTION.

>"Minimalistic" art and "orderly" layouts are even less so.

MINIMAL AND SIMPLE ORDER, IS A DISTINCT ARYAN QUALITY.

>Indeed this "order" had [PREARYAN] origins in the societies running from Crete to India and reached its apogee in hellenistic times.

ORDER ITSELF IS NEITHER ARYAN, NOR NONARYAN, BUT THERE ARE ARYAN, AND NONARYAN FORMS OF ORDER.

THERE HAD BEEN NONARYAN URBAN SOCIETIES DUE TO NONARYANS ADOPTING AGRICULTURALISM, BUT IMPLEMENTATION OF ARYAN METHODS DOES NOT NECESSARILY ENTAIL, NOR IMPLY, ARYAN QUALITIES.

CRETE, AND VEDIC INDIA, WERE NONARYAN CIVILIZATIONS.

WHAT IS YOUR "POINT" IN STATING THAT URBANISM EXISTED FROM CRETE TO INDIA?
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>>593342
The IEs didn't invent agriculture, they adopted it.

>swastika

It's such a simple and basic design that many cultures created it independelty of each other. American Indians for one.
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>>593385
You're a nutjob.
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>>593396
>The IEs didn't invent agriculture, they adopted it.

1. CAN YOU NOT READ?

>1. "INDOEUROPEAN", AND "ARYAN", ARE NOT MUTUALLY SYNONYMOUS; THE FORMER IS A LINGUONYM, THE LATTER IS A SOCIOCULTURAL TERM, AND/OR A RACIONYM.

YOU MEAN "ARYANS", NOT "INDOEUROPEANS".

2. ARYANS DID INVENT AGRICULTURE, HISTORICAL, MYTHOLOGICAL, AND ARCHAEOLOGICAL, EVIDENCE PROVE THIS.

ALL NONARYAN PEOPLES WERE/ARE NATURALLY HUNTERGATHERERS.

ACCORDING TO YOU, FROM WHOM DID THE ARYANS ADOPT AGRICULTURE?

>>swastika
>It's such a simple and basic design that many cultures created it independelty of each other. American Indians for one.

1. IF YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT A SYMBOL —A SIGN WITH A DISTINCT COMPLEX SEMANTIC CONTENT— CAN INDEPENDENTLY DEVELOP IN MULTIPLE ISOLATED PLACES, YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.

2. THE FACT THAT THE SWASTIKA EXISTS IN AMERICA IS BECAUSE ARYANS INHABITED AMERICA.
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>>593414
The trip and caps lock didn't provide clues?
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>>593425

You said you don't mean Indo-Europeans and it seems clear that you don't mean Indo-Iranians or Indo-Aryans either, based on your statements. So who's left then? Lol.
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>>593193
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>>593425
There's nothing complex about the swastika. It's so simple that literal primitives developed it all over the planet.
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>>593530
Idiot
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>>593302
Hey, I'm aryan, but my life's goal is to earn enough money to get melanin and big dick implants and pretend to be a tall black guy.

What do you think about that?
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>>593425
>ARYANS INHABITED AMERICA

This is the history board.
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>>593552

YES, IT IS.
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>19th century anglos ruined the term aryan
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>>593537
Great retort.
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>>593302
DEFINE "ARYAN".
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>>593302
>>593342
>>593385
>>593425
wattafuck man
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>>593420
It's funny that you should post the Arkaim site after that nonsense about Aryans, since people used to claim it was one of the Vedic cities. I mean, the people could certainly have spoken an Indo-Iranian language, it was in the proper time and place, but apart from the layout having a vague resemblance to a much reduced mandala there wasn't much to give it that identification. "零" will no doubt be relieved to hear that they have dug up miscellanea at Arkaim with the swastika symbol, so there's always that.

It ended up enjoying 5 minutes of fame among neopagans as the 'Russian Stonehenge,' then fell out of favor after they got tired of superimposing horoscopes over the dig schematics and piled on to the next fad.
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>>593266
Sardinia:Paleo Sardinian
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>>593266
iberian is indo-european though
basque is pre-indo-european though
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>>597025
Iberian has been demonstrated to be very much a non-Indo-European language. Are you thinking of Celtiberian?
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Sedentary agricultural societies typically have a bigger focus on female deities, while nomadic societies with more animal husbandry have more important male deities.
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