>>591815 >greatest man from this continent >actually believed that South America could be a single country with the Andes in the way >goes full on Terror during and after the war >countries "fred" by him ended up with over 30-50% of their population wiped out and indebted to Britain for over a century >dies in poverty
>>591842 More precisely, run by the half-blood descendants of the most backwards European nation of the time (XIX century), who were very isolated, selfish, stingy and only wanted to perpetuate a semi-feudalist system with them on top as >>592901 said.
With worthwhile people Gran Colombia could be one of the richest countries on Earth today. The problem is people, even more so than the crazy geography. Fuck us.
A more organized breakup from Spain later could have worked better than what we got with Bolivar et. al. Thanks Napoleon I guess
We should have been a federation of some sort but what city at the time could have been the capital? Maybe Colombia+Venezuela+Panama could have worked with the capital in Cartagena if it weren't for the eternal Anglo.
>>593118 >who were very isolated, selfish, stingy and only wanted to perpetuate a semi-feudalist system with them on top
this. Also, have you seen the geography of that region? It's all goddamn mountains, the few valleys are where the cities are and either that or jungle separates the pockets of civilization. It splitted pretty much on a geographical basis.
Even Brazil, that has a pretty much retarded geography and haven't fragmented on colonial times for some miracle, is less stupid than that.
>>593118 >>593172 Add that we were lazy and indifferent as fuck and we still are.
>>593164 >>593184 Camilo Torres did nothing wrong. A capital is indeed needed but, you can see that for example, both capital cities of US and Brazil are pretty irrelevant compared to other bigger cities of their respective countries. US has cities like Austin, Los Angeles, New York. Hueland has Sao Paulo, Belo Horizonte, Rio de Janeiro.
>>593489 Barranquilla masterrace reporting in, >Colombia's Golden Gate >Everything everyone loves in the countrygot here from our ports >Literally river mouth into the atlantic, connected to the main trading river >Literally only main city in the country without mountains >Industrial focus >Not being capital
>>593531 The problem isn't defining the capital. In fact, it's the most stupid of all problems. The biggest issue is that Bogota has too much political and economical power because centralistas, so all money from different regions of the country eventually ends here instead of giving each department to do whatever they want with their own tax money (within certain limits of course). Ironically, Bogota is still one of the most underdeveloped of all top cities in the country.
Even worse, our country is almost a monarchy disguised as democracy because presidential orders are treated as a holy mandate from god itself. For example, this piece of shit president Uribe could've been impeached in the middle of his second presidential period if our executive branch wasn't as overpowered as it is right now. Same thing applies to the crypto-jew we have nowadays.
I get that if we became feds. corruption will rise a lot in certain departments, even more that it does nowadays and it will eventually hinder their development, so a better justice system or even a new constitution will be needed. At the end it's a risk us colombians we have to take in order to get our shit straight as well as stop relying so much on this almost nanny state. Federalism can give importance to citizens from different parts of the country instead of giving priorities to the ones living in the capital city.
>>593630 Hey, corruption will always exists. Anyone with a drop of power will eventually seek their own benefit. The difference lies in either letting one fag rule all the place, or a bunch of lesser fags do shit in their own, smaller territories.
>>595768 Or like Haiti. Where Euros killed Native Americans, and then imported nigs until they were overrun and kicked out. Or like the Guyanas, where Euros found almost no Native Americans, and then imported Pakis and Nigs until they got bored and left.
Well, taking in count that Venezuela was the only worthwile country of the whole union, it couldn't survive anything. There was a crisis like 10 years later with the price of coffee going down and shit. Also, Paez is the best human being of the whole XIX century.
Is mostly the gringos's fault that we lost Guyana, they were supposed to mediate our negotiations with the bongs but eventually favored them and in the end forced us to agree with them to give most of the territory comprising Guyana.
>>597623 There is Also the fact that neither Maduro nor Chavez cared until it was discovered that it had oil. On a side note, Venezuela has one of the most interesting hidtories in the whole World but /his/ doesn't seem to care
>>598156 All of the losers blame external factors.
You never see Japan, South Korea, or Taiwan complaining about US meddling. Because those societies were capable of capitalizing on opportunity.
From the very outset, Latin America has been crippled by corruption and constant class warfare.
American policy has always been to mitigate the effect of these instabilities on US interests. When the primary threat to the US was Western Europe, this meant keeping the empires from playing their power games on this side of the Atlantic.
When it was communism, the US understandably took dramatic measures to prevent the massive number of disenfranchised peasants in the region from becoming an effective tool of Soviet policy.
You'd have to be a windowlicker to expect the US to side against its mother country and most important ally, simply to avoid hurting the feelings of some fascist paste-eater.
PS: Backing Thatcher against Videla was the best thing that could have happened to Argentina.
>>598176 >You never see Japan, South Korea, or Taiwan complaining about US meddling. Yes, you see plenty of that. Maybe not all that much from Taiwan.
>You'd have to be a windowlicker to expect the US to side against its mother country and most important ally
The argentine had American support pretty much in everythjing else they did, so they felt confident. But indeed, it was stupid from their part.
>best thing that could have happened to Argentina HAH yes.
>Keeping the euros out, then keeping the commies out
That is obvious enough, but it is not less infuriating.
You mistake me though. Latin America has, at any point in history, two options: accept American dominance and act accordingly or pursue autonomy. It is somewhat related to what Euros understood back in the 1950s, but we aren't France, we aren't Japan. America has no interest in helping because we aren't in direct opposition to the Moscow-Shanghai axis. Any Autonomy movement is swiftly put down - because that's not in your interests - and acceptance of foreign intervention, when said foreigner does not see our society as an "indispensable ally" meets predictable results.
So, yes, we have a heap of problems from various sources, one of them is the US. But do not get me wrong, it isn't the only one.
>>598227 I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the US will respect your countries sovereignty more the more your country is competent at self governing.
The origin of US interference in Latin America is the ineptitude of Latin American governments, which stems from the political culture created by Spanish settlement.
I'm not saying this because I want to improve Americas e-peen, I just think that a lot of people in Latin America use US intervention as a scapegoat for the problems that caused US intervention in the first place.
PS: Guatemala was stupid, and people should have been hanged over Nicaragua, but Salvador Allende deserved it.
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