>>587587 To be fair it isn't raw talent that makes a sculptor. Most of these guys were training since they were like 8 with a single minded dedication a child of today couldn't even dream about thanks to all of our various distractions. People just don't dedicate their lives to art anymore. Not many people anyway.
>>587470 I believe Marius was the first to have a proscription/purge drive, wasn't he?
Regardless of the ultimate good of his military reforms (also, don't forget Rufus' involvement in this), I'd say Marius did more harm than good. Marius created Sulla, after all, or at least created the circumstances that drove Sulla to back the optimates in such a brutal way.
>>587660 All people with who are good at such things need to train and work at it, but the innate 'talent' still needs to be there. You can teach every to cook, but some people will still have a better grasp at it.
>>587948 I'd tend to agree with this, in the sense that the Gracchi brothers had seemingly succeeded in winning great popularity by going against political convention (ie: Tiberius, proposing bills to the people without going to the Senate first, Gaius setting up a whole bunch of public works and public funding - using the revenue from the province of Asia, whereas the use of provincial income had been the Senate's prerogative). So they proved that the tribunate of the plebs, which had been a minor office since the ol' days of the patrician-plebeian struggles, could be re-tooled as a means of 'shortcutting' one's political career. This didn't fail to escape the attention of later amibitious Romans; nor did the fact that murder had been used as a political weapon, against the Gracchi, and had not been condemned. On the other hand this kind of leads to a teleological reasoning: 'The Gracchi were violently disposed with, so Marius was inclined to use violence for his own purposes, which made it easier for Sulla to lead his legions against the Republic, which inspired Caesar/Pompey to do the same...', but was each of these men 'forced' to resort to force for their own purposes?
>>588987 Are you serious? As soon as Sulla left for Pontus, after the first Civil War in which he killed Rufus and sent Marius with his tail between his legs to Numidia, Marius came back, took control of the city with a band of slaves and robbers, and started a city wide massacre of those who had ever been opposed to him, and their sons.
Marcus Licinius Crassus would have been dead if his father hadn't forced him to flee, and many important men and consulars died to the hoots of Marius's gang. First proscription massacre in Rome, heads on spears in front of the Senate house.
>>590127 >>590137 The problem was that, after service, they had no form of income and would quickly revert to their previous state (landless, penniless, without weapons or armor either), but as huge supporters of Marius. This is because he promised them land, and the only reason they wouldn't be able to get that land is because of the Senate not allowing it to be given. Empty land, free of tenants or farms, just waiting to be plowed.
So those men supported Marius and, if things came to a head, he could just rearm them and march them against the Senate's armies. Which happened after he died, Cinna and Carbo and to a degree Sertorius having the support of Marius's veterans, against Sulla's veterans from the Social War and Pontic War.
>>590929 >Are you serious? As soon as Sulla left for Pontus, after the first Civil War in which he killed Rufus and sent Marius with his tail between his legs to Numidia, Marius came back, took control of the city with a band of slaves and robbers, and started a city wide massacre of those who had ever been opposed to him, and their sons. >Marcus Licinius Crassus would have been dead if his father hadn't forced him to flee, and many important men and consulars died to the hoots of Marius's gang. First proscription massacre in Rome, heads on spears in front of the Senate house. That's unfair, marius was senile after the second stroke, it couldn't be helped
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