tell me about the ancient finns.
Is there any truth to the mythology they embraced that claimed of large "kingdoms" that spread throughout Scandinavia?
They were the original Aryans. Also they're Rei's "noble ones" see:
>IT IS IN THE ESSENTIAL NATURE OF THEIR BEING FOR THE NOBLE ONES TO IMPROVE, TO COGITATE, TO ORGANIZE; THE NOBLE ONES INTERTWINE THE WINDING THREADS OF SOCIOCULTURE, PRODUCING THE FABRIC OF CIVILIZATION, WEAVING THE SPRAWLING WORLDWEB, FROM THE PENUMBRA OF WISDOM.
>THE SPRAWLING WORLDWEB HAS ITS GENESIS IN THE NORTH.
obviously not the pic.... there could be a tribal kingdom with 100 people. Theres just alot myths they have that centers on people ruling large chunks of land in scandinavia in the ancient past
The particular mythology is but a particular interpretation/narratization of the actual history. It wasn't a "Finnish Empire". Finland didn't even exist at the time of the empire. It's the particular Finnish version of the history of the empire. The same goes for virtually all other mythologies in the world.
Finnish tribes used to live in what today is European Russia, then Slavs came and assimilated shit out of them, leaving only some isolated tribes. Finns in Finland survived because no one wanted to live there.
Yes? Peoples speaking related languages came from fragmentation of some kind of "original unified people", The original Indo-Europeans were relatively small unified tribe, until it fragmented as it grew and migrated around. Same for Finns, at some point Finns were small unified tribe somewhere in Southern Ural. I don't see what are you trying to say.
You're mixing linguistics with ethnology, and don't seem to understand what a tribe is.
1. Indoeuropeans is a term applied to the peoples who spoke/speak an Indoeuropean language. The original Indoeuropean-speaking people were not a tribe, but a nation.
2. Tribes don't just appear out of nothing. Tribes come to be due to the greater original nation fragmenting. Tribes are the fragments of a people, not original blocks that fragment and generate a people, therefore, to claim that the original Indoeuropean-speaking people were a tribe and that it "fragmented as it grew and migrated around" is a sign of inverted logic due to ignorance and misunderstanding.
3. My point is that "The Empire" did not arise out "Finnish tribes", and "Slavs" merging together, as you claim, nor that "Finns", or "Slavs" existed as such within the empire, but rather that what are now the "Finns", and the "Slavs" came to be from the fragmentation of the imperial people, not the other way around.
> Indo-European Nation
> Nation fragmenting into tribes
> The Empire
To be fair, some linguists have proposed a Finnic presence in much of Northern Europe before the coming of the Indo-Europeans. I wouldn't call these theories mainstream but they've been around
Nation is a modern concept, nation requires national identity. Tribe is a perfectly legit way to describe prehistoric community of people.
Tribes do appear "out of nothing". If anything, nations are made out of "tribes"/"peoples", not the other way around.
There was no Finnish/Slavic empire in the Eastern Europe, until, well, Russian Empire.
Uh... how do you think civilization as such, even began and was established? The preconditions for it arose from genetic mutations. Bio-Genetics and Socio-Culture are directly mutually interdependent.
>Konstantin part from Byzantine Emperor
>Polis part from ancient Greece
>Founded 4847 BC
Wow. You tried to sound smart and failed. Cultures have been evolving too fast to be correlated with genetic factors for about 50000 years. However, in more recent times I.E. since the agricultural revolution, culture has had some impact on our genetic makeup. Or so some studies say (Laland, Odlyn-Smee & Myles, Feb 2010).
Finnic tribes still live in some areas of Russia. Russian history is made up of many cultures and peoples, with slavic culture becoming dominant.
Neva (St. Petersburg) had only Finns living there until Peter decided that he wanted a city.
It makes sence, they were, alongside baltic people, the original inhabitants of much of eastern and northern Europe. Northern Russia was inhabited by finnic tribes before the slavs from Novgorod came along, and I guess the same could be said about Scandinavia if we consider the Lapps and Saami to be related to the Finns proper.
Of course they are. We know for a fact that northern Russia, north the lines dividing the steppe from the forest, was inhabited mainly by finnic people, that's why you still find loads of finnish tribes there even today. Modern day russian have a lot of finnic blood, especially the ones living in northern european russia. The same could apply to Scandinavia pre-germanic settlement.
"Finnic" is a purely sociocultural term, not an ethnic one, moron. There is no such thing as a genetically distinct "Finnic people", or "Finnic blood" (lol). The languages are related because they derive from the same source and because of mutual proximity, not a "Finnic people" spread to those place. ALL the people there descend from the people of Empire, it's just that the different tribes "Russian", "Finnish", "Swedish", The Germanics, etc. arose after the empire collapsed, and the population fragmented.
>ALL the people there descend from the people of Empire, it's just that the different tribes "Russian", "Finnish", "Swedish", The Germanics, etc. arose after the empire collapsed, and the population fragmented.
Now I know you are trolling.
But there is such a thing as a genetically distinct finnic people breh.
Even if pic related were true, the population density was such that entire populations in central Europe could have lived for generations without ever knowing that they “belonged” to an empire.
>but nice meme brah
>be a stupid mongol finn
>make spurdo memes and drink vodka all day
>make a complete bullshit map about a non-existant ancient finnish empire
>mfw they start question their reality and trying to prove this complete bullshit ancient empire
that something existing in a legend, doesn't makes it a source. at least not more reliable that poseidon making a queen horny for a bull or that kind of shit you see in every mythology
Oh this thread is still alive?
Reminder that this map is a false flag made by an autistic Swede.
(there's grammatical errors in the map, "Keisarillisen Suomen" is straight from google translate)
Is that how you rationalize "strange" historical facts that contradict your conditioned view of history? They're "memes"?
If you dismiss anything that radically challenges your preconceptions by automatically invalidating them without any consideration, you are mentally dead.
What was I thinking, taking the scientific consensus of an extensively studied and very well understood phenomenon over the /x/-tier ramblings and fake maps of some guy on 4chan’s latest meme board.