Alsace, Why is this stolen region so important to the French?

>>582001
Because the Germans stole it.

>>582010

hon hon hon

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>Alsace was a part of France before Germany even existed.

because it's west of the rhine

>>582001
>implying France's natural borders aren't the Rhine

It's not because Alsace was part of the "Holy" "Roman" "Empire" that it was German.
The "Holy" "Roman" "Empire" wasn't Germany. It was literally a bunch of princes, archdukes and counts who all wanted to do their own things.
t. a french citizen from les Vosges.

>>582001

Because once people think something belongs to them, they want to hold onto it forever. A year or two back, I had a case where one woman held up another at gunpoint over jewelry worth about eighty bucks, because her cheating husband gave it to his mistress, but god damn it, it was HERS and she was going to get it BACK.

>>582001

IIRC it was an important economic region, due too the presence of coal and iron ore. Which is why the Frence and Germans started sqabbling over it in the late 19th/early 20th century.

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>>582010
France stole it first in the Nine Years War

>>583448

>Giving your wife's jewelry to your girlfriend.

Classy.

>>583467
>tfw the jacobites will never reclaim the throne

>national self-determination for everyone!
>except for Germans

How that work?

>>583487
too many germans

and they work too hard

>>583487
oh
It's you again
And I see you haven't looked up what self determination means

>>583487
germans are op, france got nerfed too hard after the post-napoleon update

>>582001
Forget Alsace, they need to give Corsica to Italy

>>582001
You have a clue here : >>583875

>>582001
Because French people are naturally born with brains entirely oriented around stealing land.

This is why bullshit justifications like "natural borders" make sense to French people, but few other countries would entertain such a retarded idea.

As far as France is concerned, the entire planet is simply French clay that hasn't been taught how to speak French yet.

>>583467
>a-a-at least the Jacobites are on our side

>>583718
>germans are op
So op they lost the 2 world wars they started.

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>>584109
>AH invades Serbia as retaliation for Franz after Germany promises to back them up
>welp, guess it's Germany's fault

>Pilsudski passes away and his successor welches on some damn fair deals
>Hitler PARTITIONS Poland with the Soviet Union
>the British declare war only on Germany
>Germans attack the USSR because they fear the commies are growing too large in influence
>stupid ass nips bring America into the mix
>Germany tries to make peace with literally everybody but Russia many times
>Germany is overwhelmed
>welp, guess it's Germany's fault

>>584146
On top of everything else stupid here, the Japanese did not bring America into war with Germany.

Germany declared war on America.

>>584174
Yes, because they were allied with Japan. Japan declared war on America after Pearl Harbor, and Germany figured that with both of them taking America on, they could handle it. Then, America wiped the floor with Japan after some stalemates and narrow victories. Then Germany was left trying to keep Italy from getting fucked by Ethiopia and Greece.

>>584189
> Japan declared war on America after Pearl Harbor, and Germany figured that with both of them taking America on, they could handle it.
>We thought declaring war on the world's largest industrial power would be easy
>Therefor, it's not our fault!

>>584192
It's not that Hitler thought it would be easy, it was just a question of whether to abandon his ally or risk everything to take on a superpower, which he was already doing surprisingly well. Not amazing, mind, just surprising considering the odds.

>>584192
>>584257
On a side note, America's involvement in WWI was completely on them, they were real assholes about it.

>>582001
buffer zone between civilization and barbarity

>>584146
>Start shit
>Get hit

>>584300
But they didn't start WW1, at all. If you're going to blame Germany for it because Austro-Hungary wouldn't have had the balls to put out that ultimatum without Germany backing them up then by that logic Russia is to blame because Serbia was an even smaller and weaker and country then Austro-Hungary yet had the balls to stand up to them solely because Russia was backing them.

>>583467
No, France got the south of Alsace and a few city after the 30 years war, in which the german protestant princes were its allies (remember they gave France Metz Toul and Verdun against Charles V before that).
Louis XIV used the fact the terms were unclear to conquer the rest of Alsace and other towns before the 9 years war that was declared for this reason. France being victorious in this war, they kept all Alsace.

>>584327
remind me about the part where Russia dished out ultimatums to as of yet neutral countries, invaded two countries - one of those strictly with no allegiance to anyone - when they were "just backing up their ally like Germany"

>>584327
>Forgot the part where your whole mobilization plan includes invading neutral countries.
>Also giving blank check to your lapdog to steer up shit, knowing full well it's gonna allow you to attack France and Russia.
>Having a militaristic junta as a government and thinking you were totally the poor victim.

It's pointy and shit nigga, make muh country aesthetic innit

>>584327
>because Serbia was an even smaller and weaker and country then Austro-Hungary yet had the balls to stand up to them solely because Russia was backing them.
No, actually, Russia told Serbia not to piss off the Austro-Hungarians, and the Serbians agreed to every term and condition in the Austro-Hungarian ultimatum (which included removing any number of officials the Austro-hungarian government told them to remove, removing anything remotely mean about the Austro-Hungarian empire from the public sphere and letting Austro-Hungarian officials preside and take part in the murder investigation) except one, the part where Austro-Hungarian officials were going to preside over Serbian courts.

>>582001
Mountain range along Alsace provide a good natural defense against the invader. Whoever own Alsace will have advantage during the war.

>>584189
>Then Germany was left trying to keep Italy from getting fucked by Ethiopia and Greece.

>start war two-three years earlier than Italy needed to finish enacting critical modernization plans
>be surprised when they need help in foreign interventions

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>>584259

gee, it was totally on us

>>583875
Sure, here you go.
Hope you enjoy getting your government buildings and police stations bombed/burned down twice a year by the crazy islanders, Mario.

>>582001
The guy who came up with the idea of Lotharingia is responsible for so much bloodshed and european butthurt that's unreal.

AFAIK, Alsatians don't want to be part of Germany.

>>586282

Just cause Eastern and Western France are full of resentment.

>>583440
>who is the king of germany

>>584146
you forgot that Germany gave AH a blank cheque

>>583487
>right to keep the land you've conquered
>except for everybody but Germans

When will this meme end?

>>584327
>austro-hungary
Why do people do this?

>>586563
Literally nobody now.

>>585237
>Whoever owns Alsace will have advantage during the war.
>France owns Alsace in 1870
>loses the war and Alsace
>Germany owns Alsace in 1914
>loses the war and Alsace

you sure about that? I mean, I get the "mountain" range idea, but in 70, the germans pushed right through it, in 1914 it was just ignored and then in 44, the americans pushed right through it, it's not some major obstacle and a great factor.

>>586844
You also didn't mention that in 1940 France had it and it didn't help either.
I think it might just be cursed.

>>586852

excellent

>>582001
>Stolen
>France has owned Alsace since before the concept of a united Germany was seriously considered

>>583487
It shouldn't be for anyone. Nation states are idiotic, let's go back to the monarchies of old.

>>582001
This is a /pol/ statement. Also, germans could take Alsace. It's full of rightwing cancers.

>>583487
The first time the World gave self determination to Germans, they started WW2.
Barbarians just aren't ready to make their own decisions.

>>585263
Enzo pls, your armies has been shit since the XVI century

>>582001
Speaking a German dialect doesn't make you German. Afaik, by 1870 the Alsatians didn't feel like they should be part of a unified German state. So basically a case of natural borders, and later on keeping land that's been yours for some time

>>585268
I meant it was Germany's fault.

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>>582001
Because it's comfy
And west of the Rhine

because whoever ruled Middle Francia was a retard