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Daily reminder that the Roman Empire continued to exist after 1453.

The Ottoman Empire was the direct inheritor of Rome and the continuation of the Roman Empire. The Ottoman family were also descended from the Byzantine Emperors via marriage to Princesses.
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>>579551
The Roman Empire met its sweet release of death in the Fourth Crusade.
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>>579551
cockroach meme
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>>579551
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>>579551
>including vassals as part of the empire
every time
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>>579551
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Why are Turks the biggest shitposters on /his/?

I guess it's easily to be a shitposter when you are universally reviled though.
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Daily reminder the Roman Empire ceased to exist in 395
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>>579551
>via marriage to Princesses
That's some Russia-tier straw grasping my friend. Let's run through some reasons why the Ottomans wouldn't have claim to the Romans:

>Did not control nor did they ever control Rome
>Did not hold the faith of the Empire nor the faith of the majority of the Roman citizenship
>The rulers were not of an ethnic group that had ever been part of the empire
>Used almost no component of Roman law
>Didn't adhere to the historically dominant languages or cultures of the empire (Latin or Greek (and unlike the transition from Latin to Greek, it was not gradual))
>Never had a senate
>Held none of the values or founding principles of the republic OR empire

Literally WE WUZ EMPRAS N' SHIET
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>>579551
>>579563
>>579948
How can you all get the conquest of half of the Empire in the 630's so confused with other events. Because that was when it ended.
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>>579551
>roman empire
>never holding rome in it history

even the HRE held rome. this is cheap b8
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>>579551
That map is disgusting.
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>>579551
The only successors to Rome are french, Italy, Spain and Portugal, as they were ruled by germanic tribes who recognized the superiority of the roman empire and adopted its language. HRE, Byzantine, Ottoman, Russia, are failed empire who claim to have a link with Rome in order to have more credibility.
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>>580876
How are the Byzzies illegitimate? They had a very real tie of continuity
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>>579958
>>Did not control nor did they ever control Rome
Neither did the eastern roman empire

>>Did not hold the faith of the Empire nor the faith of the majority of the Roman citizenship
Roman empire changed faiths before

>>The rulers were not of an ethnic group that had ever been part of the empire
Ottoman sultans literally had roman heritage

>>Used almost no component of Roman law
False.

>>Didn't adhere to the historically dominant languages or cultures of the empire (Latin or Greek (and unlike the transition from Latin to Greek, it was not gradual))
>Never had a senate
>Held none of the values or founding principles of the republic OR empire

Now you're just memeing.
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>>579551
Usurpation =/= direct inheritor =/= continuation

Thanks for playing
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>>582231
>Neither did the eastern roman empire
ERE controlled Rome at some point
>Roman empire changed faiths before
But not imposed by a foreign power
>Ottoman sultans literally had roman heritage
So did others
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Conquering != inheriting
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>>581445
Because the Greeks betrayed the Roman empire as soon as they had the occasion. The Greeks never assimilated. They were like the Jews, too proud of their old history. When the empire divided into two, the Greeks quickly became the rival of the western empire. They also didn't give a fuck when the city of Rome fell. Let's face it, the Byzantines inherited the institution of the roman empire, but turned it into a greek empire. Only latin people can claim to be the successors of the roman empire.
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>>582251
>>582270
> imposed by a foreign powe
>Conquering != inheriting

Mehmet II was part Roman. He saw the greeks shitting on the capital of the eastern Roman empire and decided to seize it himself. It was an internal fight you see.
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>>579958
Whatever mate, but:
>Didn't adhere to the historically dominant languages or cultures of the empire (Latin or Greek (and unlike the transition from Latin to Greek, it was not gradual))

Are you implying that on may 30th 1453 everyone in Constantinople suddenly woke up in a fez, with a monobrow and a perfect knowledge of Ottoman Turkish?
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>>582282
>They were like the Jews, too proud of their old history
This is pure meme history.

Do you think "Greeks" were ruling ERE in the beginning, especially while the WRE still existed? They were as Roman-Latin as earlier rulers and born in non-Greek places like Croatia and Spain. The Greek culture didn't surface until later and politically they were still far more influenced by Rome than anybody else.
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>>579551
Roman Empire still exists even now. It's called Finland.
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>>582379
It's a nice meme but Finland didn't retain any of the imperial offices and institutions, they've been a republic since they gained independence.
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>>582282
>When the empire divided into two, the Greeks quickly became the rival of the western empire.
Pretty sure that was about Christianity rather than Greek Pride
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>>580876
Yes. Only these countries and perhaps also France could claim to be successors of Rome.
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>>579551
Is this the cuck posting of /his/?
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>>580498
I am afraid you have been lead astray by dastardly Renaissance degenerates. The "Byzantium" Empire saw itself as Roman, along with everyone else. It being based in Greek does not make it something else.
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>>582282
You do realise like half of the Roman emperors during its final centuries of existence were Germanic generals, right?

Being "latin" had nothing to do with being Roman, dipshit.
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>>584639
Wrong, they were appointed by germanic generals (who were assimilated by the way and spoke latin, which is already better than the Greeks) but those generals themselves never became emperor.
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>>582282
This is wrong. The only people who continued to 'ethnically' identify as Romans up to modern times were the Greek and Latin speakers of the Balkans (and Anatolia/southern Italy for the Greek). The Greek speakers also are the only ones who continued to have an intimate relationship with the empire, after the Slavic migrations and the temporary loss of the norhern provinces.

Indeed, to be Roman came to mean to be Byzantine Christian (as opposed to a heretic), to speak Greek (as opposed to being a 'barbarian'), to show allegiance to the Byzantine state or to intermarry with Romans. Even the Latin speakers of the Balkans were consistently called Vlachs by the Byzantines and despite their Romano-Moesian/Dacian origins being known to Byzantine authors, they weren't considered Roman.

France-Italy-Spain-Portugal have even less of a claim to Romanity than Romanians by that count.
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>>585076
They said they were romans, like the HRE claimed to be a roman empire. Again, the Byzantine empire betrayed the west. The two empire frequently clashed. Even if we talk about institutions then Clovis was granted the title of consul by the byzantine empire and Charlemagne was also recognized as western emperor. The germanic tribes adopted latin culture and ruled with the help, in the case of the Franks, of the gallo-roman aristocracy. The catholic church also maintained the roman culture, if we had to count on the Byzantines, the knowledge would have been lost.

The truth is, latin people are more legitimate than the Greeks. The French, quite clearly. They are the successors of the Franks, a germanic tribe that was assimilated by the Romans.They can claim a direct link with the carolingian empire, which was recognized by the Byzantines.
Italians have an even more direct claim, they have the city of Rome.
Spain and Portugal don't have that link, but the fact is they defeated muslims, protected and expanded christianity unlike Byzantines who were useless in that regards. The fact they speak latin languages, again, make them closer to the roman empire byzantines have ever been.
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>>582379
>Western Roman Empire
>Illegitimate
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shitposter
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>>579958
/thread

Kebab empire =/= Roman Empire
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>>585186
>The catholic church also maintained the roman culture, if we had to count on the Byzantines, the knowledge would have been lost.

I assume you do know that Roman law was reintroduced to the West via Byzantium (and I don't have to mention that most Greek texts, other than the ones reintroduced by the Arabs, were reintroduced via Byzantium - and those were just as Roman texts as the Latin ones, especially in areas where the Latins hadn't produced much like mathematics, astronomy and philosophy).

>Italians have an even more direct claim, they have the city of Rome.

The Roman state changed capitals a lot even before the fall of the West.

>Spain and Portugal don't have that link, but the fact is they defeated muslims, protected and expanded christianity unlike Byzantines who were useless in that regards

Byzantium expanded Christianity to the whole of Eastern Europe so this is completely silly. Even Moravia and Hungary were influenced by Byzantine Christianity in medieval times.

The rest that you mention is about statal continuity, which clearly the Byzantines had more than anyone else.
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The veru fact that the ottomans conquered Byzantium means that they weren't Rome. Rome wouldn't have conquered itself.
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>>585722
see
>>582298
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>>585788
They were as romans as the chinese
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>>585802
Didn't know chinese had roman blood. Any proofs?
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>>584495
French killed their kings, so they failed.
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>>585943
dude, killing the kings was the start of real Roman history. it's one of their proudest traditions
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>>579551
The Roman Empire died with Justinian or even with Costantino one could argue. Stop being autistic about it and recocnize that Byzantium was not the roman empire, and even the late Roman Empire was NOT the Roman Empire.

Unless we are talking about muh nigga Siagro, poor guy :(
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>>579551
>turkroaches
>anything to do with romans
Literally we wuz rum'ns n shit.
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stop bumping this shit thread you stupid fucks
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ottoman bump
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