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All truth is objective
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The Ottomans should have invaded Italy and conquered Rome
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>All truth is objective
>An undeniable fact

Isn't this a bit circular my friend? You say the truth is objective, which means it is composed of facts. You say it is an undeniable fact that the truth is composed of facts. One cannot deny the truth.

Why is the truth objective? Because it is composed of facts. Why can't we deny facts? Because it is the truth. Why is it the truth? Because the truth is composed of facts. And so on.
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>>579516
>fact
Sounds like a definition.
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The Aneristic Principle is that of APPARENT ORDER; the Eristic Principle is that of APPARENT DISORDER. Both order and disorder are man made concepts and are artificial divisions of PURE CHAOS, which is a level deeper that is the level of distinction making.

With our concept making apparatus called "mind" we look at reality through the ideas-about-reality which our cultures give us. The ideas-about- reality are mistakenly labeled "reality" and unenlightened people are forever perplexed by the fact that other people, especially other cultures, see "reality" differently. It is only the ideas-about-reality which differ. Real (capital-T True) reality is a level deeper that is the level of concept.

We look at the world through windows on which have been drawn grids (concepts). Different philosophies use different grids.

Western philosophy is traditionally concerned with contrasting one grid with another grid, and amending grids in hopes of finding a perfect one that will account for all reality and will, hence, (say unenlightened westerners) be True. This is illusory; it is what we Erisians call the ANERISTIC ILLUSION. Some grids can be more useful than others, some more beautiful than others, some more pleasant than others, etc., but none can be more True than any other.

DISORDER is simply unrelated information viewed through some particular grid. But, like "relation", no-relation is a concept. Male, like female, is an idea about sex. To say that male-ness is "absence of female-ness", or vice versa, is a matter of definition and metaphysically arbitrary. The artificial concept of no-relation is the ERISTIC PRINCIPLE.

The belief that "order is true" and disorder is false or somehow wrong, is the Aneristic Illusion. To say the same of disorder, is the ERISTIC ILLUSION.

Reality is the original Rorschach.
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>>579590
what
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>>579590
Dude post modernism lmao
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>>579575
Hold on. Truths aren't composed of facts, they ARE facts.

So you can skip that. But you still have a point if one was to claim "all truth is objective" because "It's undeniable" because "all truth is objective".

But someone claiming all truths are objective facts would most likely say it's an undeniable fact, ie. it's self-evident and as such doesn't need justification beyond that.
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>>579601
They seem to be talking about and believing in objective reality which post-modernists don't believe in[1]
[1]http://www.britannica.com/topic/postmodernism-philosophy
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>>579853
>They seem to be talking about and believing in objective reality which post-modernists don't believe in

It entirely depends on what kind of post-modernist you are. Faggots going around about how you can't understand something because your privileges are hiding them from your world-view are basically shitty Kantians.

https://larvalsubjects.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/hacking-the-social-construction-of-what2.pdf

Page 40, "Kant's house".
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>>579853
postmodernists are useless.
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>Facts do not convey truth. That's a mistake. Facts create norms, but truth creates illumination.

>If you’re purely after facts, please buy yourself the phone directory of Manhattan. It has four million times correct facts. But it doesn’t illuminate.

>There are deeper strata of truth in cinema, and there is such a thing as poetic, ecstatic truth. It is mysterious and elusive, and can be reached only through fabrication and imagination and stylization.
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>>579516
>An undeniable fact
All truth is observed subjectively.
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>>579619
Truth collectively by that definition is composed of facts.
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>>579982
Truth does not change, facts can.
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>>579990
But the truth is composed of facts, so the truth must change too? And no, that's not a fallacy of composition.
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>>580010
Facts are glimpses of the truth. The whole truth may actually not be able to be fully understood because of all of the pieces that make it up. That is why one always has to quest for truth.
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>>580026
Well, now we're adding things onto the idea and I don't have a point here.
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>>579990
Truth does change, though.

>2016
>Bob weighs 70kg
>2017
>Bob weighs 75kg

Reality changes, and if you believe humans can achieve truth that sufficiently mirrors reality, truth is also in flux. Truth is a relative term. It is relative to faith in our own sensory organs and reasoning, along with the assumption that we can accurately grasp the language of others and place our aforementioned sense-data and reasoning within some universal context, contrasting true from false and greyer shades.
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