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"Jewry is the principle of destruction. It is what is destructive in the overturning of the completion of metaphysics--i.e., of Hegel's metaphysics by Marx."
--Heidegger, Anmerkungen I, 29 (from the "Black Notebooks")


How can you say this guy's not racist?
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Judaism isn't a race
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>o-oh no mommy!!! w-wacism!!!


Pussy faggot
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>>579289
Jewry is an ethnoreligious identity which forms its own distinguishable genetic cluster that does not necessitate direct adherence to Jewish religion.
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>>579309
Right, but they aren't synonyms.
While Heidegger can be considered an anti-Semite, it wasn't on racialist grounds. Like his support of Nazism, his opposition to Judaism was based on his understanding of its relation to modernity and traditional culture. He, like many throughout history (including many Jews), identifies a destructive trend among Jewish intellectuals.
He may have been 'racist' on some level, but it's more philosophically nuanced than that word implies in contemporary discourse. If this doesn't matter to you, discussing Heidegger with you doesn't matter to me. I realize you haven't said something like "Heidegger's racism makes his philosophy bad," but I get the impression that you're going in that pleb-tier direction.
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>>579309
All religions are an ethnoreligious family. Look at the mormons. They have their own genetic cluster. They are as inbred as the jews. But do they pull out the racist card when people accuse mormonism. No. Because you are talking about a religious group and their fundamentals. The conception of what they believe society should be like. The jews are just a confused people whom for the most part are synchronized around the rabbis and their lawyers. So as every law suit is being made to support the jewish causes so do their conception of what a jew and israel are. Its called the synagogue because from therein the rabbis have to focus on lawsuits and agreements thereout. So the identity of the jew from 1970 is not the same as the jew from 1990. Nor the same as the millenials. Their conceptualization changes according to a progression.
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>>579926
Catholicism is called the religion of succession. Judaism the religion of success.
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>>579931
Basically the rabbi just reaches the people canon law as expounded from the torah but it must be stated in a way the law prescribes.

Lets say this. What if 9/11 fell on rosh hashanah. And the pilots were israeli. What would you say about the jewish practitioner. Are they a people or religion. Do you think people would mortify them. How far would the govt go? Perception of islam vs jewry in western culture. The muslims had it bad and the jews didnt quell. They supported it by becoming anti semites themselves. Technically they are a religion that spiritualizes all they hate. I very turnt conceptualization.
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>>579970
And what if the russians were running tests over ny sky that day? Like how would the make you oercieve your religion if it wasnt the semites, the desert, arid land dwellers?
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>>579289
yes it is
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>>579931
No matter how successful the pockets of a kike, the seceding of his cock length continues.
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>>579926
Fucking retard lad, Mormons zealously seek converts from every nation that will accept them. The fact that it started out with white people who moved to utah and married each other is irrelevant; 100 years from now, the average Mormon very well could be Latin American or black.
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>>579926
>>580344
Amish are another ethnoreligious group because they don't outmarry/proselytize. That's all an ethnoreligious group is. A non-proselytizing group of people that share a common genetic heritage and religion.
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>>580355
Which makes Jews an ethnoreligion based on their need to be born into to truly be Jewish.
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>>579281
You could find unfavourable descriptions of Jews in about any European author works. This just shows you haven't read shit.
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>>579289
They a tribe tho
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>>580363


Yeah, like Jethro, Ruth, King David, and John Hyrcanus!
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>>580471
According to Halacha (Talmudic legal interpretation of Hebrew scripture) the TRIBE is passed through the father and the RELIGION through the mother. You can be TRIBALLY Jewish (you father's lineage [according to rabbinical authorities] traces back to Jacob/Israel the Patriarch of the Israelites) but not RELIGIOUSLY a Jew (mother was not of the Jewish faith).
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>>580487

Unless you convert. Which you know, the Talmud talks about, quite a bit. All those people I mentioned? Converts or matrilineal descendants of converts, and I don't think you'll find anyone claiming that for instance, David wasn't Jewish because he's a descendant of Ruth, a Moabite.
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>>580363
I was arguing that it was an ethnoreligious group.

>>580471
Like David and others, they get absorbed into Jewish population as generations wear on.
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>>580510
I know, I was agreeing with you.

>>580495
It wasn't until recently that Jews married from outside of their religion in great numbers.
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>>580518

>It wasn't until recently that Jews married from outside of their religion in great numbers.

I suggest you re-read your history. The Hasmoneans would even forcibly convert people in areas they conquered, although the rabbinical establishment of the day raised a stink, they didn't deny the Jewishness of said converts.

Furthermore, such converts and their descendents could rise to positions of great prominence, and you wouldn't get any challenge to their "Jewishness". The statement I responded to, of

>>580363

>Which makes Jews an ethnoreligion based on their need to be born into to truly be Jewish.

Is quite simply bullshit. You don't need to be born into it to be "truly" Jewish.
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>>580529
>Furthermore, such converts and their descendents could rise to positions of great prominence, and you wouldn't get any challenge to their "Jewishness". The statement I responded to, of
The ancient Israelites are not the Jews mentioned in the quote in the OP nor are they the Rabbinical Jews we all know today. The fact of the matter is that Judaism became ethnically tied sometime after the destruction of the Second Temple. They stopped being a kingdom/nationstate and started their diaspora which fundamentally changed them as a people.

>Which makes Jews an ethnoreligion based on their need to be born into to truly be Jewish.
In many ways you do. At least one parent needs to be Jewish in the same way one parent needs to be German to be part German.
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>>580551

>The fact of the matter is that Judaism became ethnically tied sometime after the destruction of the Second Temple. They stopped being a kingdom/nationstate and started their diaspora which fundamentally changed them as a people.

Bullshit. Go look up Pesachim 87b

>The Holy One, blessed be He, did not exile Israel among the nations save in order that proselytes might join them, for it is said: And I will sow her unto Me in the land; surely a man sows a se'ah in order to harvest many kor!

a bit further on it argues extensively as to whether or not converts need to perform certain paschal rituals in the year they converted.

> At least one parent needs to be Jewish in the same way one parent needs to be German to be part German.

You literally have 0 basis in any section of Judaism, whether Talmudic or older, that rejects conversion. None. Nada. Zip. There are elements, even majority elements that discourage proselytization, but not the conversion of people who want in.
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