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Fuck, /his/.
I'm under the impression he hasn't read anything other than Thus Spoke Zarathustra and the Republic.

https://youtu.be/BNYJQaZUDrI
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>PBS

it all suddenly makes sense, the entire channel.
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>>577131

This faggot belongs in a forced labour camp for making shit tier digestible "history" courses monetizing on the fact that people are lazy, ignorant, and have low fucking attention spans.

Go to class and read faggots, don't listen to this liberal nonsense. The best part is his attempts to be le impartial man is that it is anti historical and a political position in of itself.

Goddamn I hate clickbait especially when it's poisoning my favourite fiels
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>>577235
>implying John Green == Hank Green
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CRAWLING IN MY SKIN
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I'd think John would probably be a better one to teach philosophy than him.
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>>577255
They're both shit

And he wrote The Fault In Our Stars

That's gulag tier as it stands
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Is there an actual reason why people hate these guys beside simplifying it maybe a bit too much?
They do their job, a "crash course" on the topic. Not a full lesson, so whats wrong?
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>>577288
/his/ tends to overexaggerate it. I'm gonna get flamed for this, but I think both John and Hank do a good job of presenting information. Sometimes, however, they add in simply too much bias and they don't realize that people aren't smart enough to realize what's an opinion and what's not.
And other times they assert their bias as truism.
For example, watch the Crash Course History video on the Dark Ages. He says a lot about European culture in the Dark Ages and it all tends to be very negative. It's rather annoying.
Regardless, he does provide some good information. It's a good starting point.

In any event I'm going to fucking hate the Crash Course Philosophy series just because I highly doubt Hank's abilities on this subject
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>>577288
their political agendas.
>muh eurocentrism!
>muh anti-woman history bias!
all that stuff.
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>>577305
>>577288

This

Also the fact that's its meant to be a monetized product appealing to dumbass being lazy, stupid, ignorant and not wanting to learn past the video. And of course they fill it with modern liberal bias while claiming to be impartial (as liberals are wont to do). In the end it results in poor information even for a base level because the person to whom it is marketed will simply watch, digest, shit it out and maybe somewhere along the line complete their overdue 2Nd year assignment
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>>577305
But its true to an extent
Keywords: extent
I understand there is bias there and like >>577301 said it can get annoying but beside that they don't really have an agenda to fulfill beside the occasional touch of bias
If anything you look mad that they are supporting something that goes against your agenda
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>>577301
I thought he was lighter on the middle ages than most. Talking about how feudalism made sense for the Era rather than being nonsensical evil and exploitation as its often portrayed.
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>>577288
YO DAWG WE GOT SOME CRASH COURSE MATH UP IN THIS SHIT

YOU PUT THE NUMBERS TOGETHER AND THEY GET BIGGER SENPAI

SHIT DID I JUST BLOW YOUR MIND

FUUUUCK, I HOPE YOU FEEL SMART NOW AND SHIT. DAWG, YOU SO MUCH SMARTER THAN THOSE OTHER DUDES. GO VOTE BERNIE SANDERS MA NIGGA
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Reminder that his channel's target audience is prepubescents and you're fucking silly for taking him that seriously.
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>>577337
>>577341

These are both objectively correct
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>>577337
So they're bad because they're enthusiastic?
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>>577131
Kekkle, I already see a weekly shitstorm on places like /his/ and /lit/. Looking forward to it.
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it's the fans
I know I'm not meant to dislike things based on their fanbase and should instead look at the thing itself but its so fucking hard when it comes to this
youtube comment sections in general tend to be shit but this one is a special flavor of it, I also believe that the following of something often influences what they follow
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>>577131
> Meaningless moustache

He bloody write about how the moustache was used as a façade to hide behind, so when people think of him they don't judge him but his moustache. This is sort of the same how some people are more comfortable if they have a ball in their hand or a hat. It throws out attention from you to an object outside of you, allowing you to say whatever you want without being as harshly judged (or at least that's what you tell yourself).
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>>577346
No. It's because it's the same forced meme liberalism and loud, annoying "humour" designed to gain the attention of the stupid long enough to make them feel superior so they can take the content, use it once, and discard it because they're fundamentally entitled idiots who think study should be fast and don't take joy in the material itself. Moreover the style is used simply again to market the material and make money by appealing to the lowest common denominator rather than heighten the human soul by imparting knowledge.

Yes im mad.


>>577351
This is also true
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>>577353
i think he was taking a crack at nihilism by saying it ultimately means nothing
heh
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>>577346
he's not enthusiastic. he's a sophist.

you remember the sophists right?
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>>577358
>entitled idiots who think study should be fast and don't take joy in the material itself
What makes you make this conclusion? The video is only a starting point.
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>>577377
The comments

It's aimed at redditcore white kids in school who want to have ebin humour in history in the most condensed format possible so they can pass/show off to friends then flush it without trying to get into anything deeper. The videos are starting points in name only. In reality they are by people who know their audience doesn't want to learn anything more
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>>577358
this.

we're elitist. let's accept that fact and move on to real discussion.

when idiots speak up, they speak more loudly, more forcefully, and more unrelentingly than intelligent people. allowing idiots to feel entitled to intelligent speech is a VERY bad idea.

have you guys seen those collegiate debates where the black people basically read some slam poetry and yell? they actually WIN debates.

welcome to the breakdown of civilization
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>>577396
define what an intelligent person is
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>>577402
Not you ;)
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>Aristotle is a terrible human being and I have to mention this several times
>Aquinas is totally bro and I love him

?????
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>>577407
lack of a serious response leads me to disregard your original argument
this is a blue board nigga go back to /int/ or /pol/
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>>577131
John > Hank
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>>577415
John Green is a Christposter, after having moved on to the next edgy fad: ironically being Christian.
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>>577417
I'm not the guy you were replying to you sophist bastard
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>>577396

No we aren't elitist
We just call out BS and encourage learning

People have btfo me on this board before. Thats Ok. They had better knowledge and sources. That's how historical discussion works. And anybody can do it.

The problem is a lot of peiple don't give a shit and moreover we live in a hyper capitalist society where social relations and knowledge is monetized. We don't have officially censorship, but what's it worth when the only things that get attention are pop history, with emphasis on shock value, brevity and ease of understanding to the largest possible demographic? That's an example of the rapping black kids going WE WUZ KINGS AND SHEEIT, wow how brave, bet this will sell when nobody else has a critical mind and wishes to buy the narrative

Worse part is I'm not even totally unsympathetic to some of that worldview. But an average Joe black, or even say white or Asian kid, doing a well thought out, researched and argued paper or presentation on the Kingdom of Axum, or Mali, or the Zulu is gonna get shit on because lol Tl;Dr nerd XDDDD (not the sexy kind of BBT nerd who is short in speech and funny LE FLASH ebin)
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>>577402
you can go by iq, or you can go by quality of training. research is showing that intelligence is more than 80% heritable. but that aside training is still important, and I am assuming you are a blank slatist, to even ask that question.

thus, if training is of prime importance, you are as stupid as the media you consume. this youtube channel, and mediums like it, cranked out to hold the attention spans of low focus individuals, wouldn't be developing thought, it would be entertaining and shoveling answers into kids mouths

you can say all you want that giving kids easy answers like this is improving educational outcomes. it isn't. that kind of sham educational policy has been failing in EVERY western country for 50 years straight.

dumb people are dumb. not because of their educational or political camp. but because their brains don't function well. put a wrench in their hand. to champion them as heroes and to give them a go getter attitude you end up with mao's cultural revolution. no thanks.
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>>577131
great, now even more tumblrinas, facebook uses and 9gagges will think themselves knowledgeable on topics they watched a 10 minute video on
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>>577433
Ebin xDDDDDDDDD

This image is the garbage were dealing with and oppose and your argument is the short version of why the channel ks shit
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>>577428
isn't IQ widely criticized as a means of measuring intelligence?
wouldn't the IQ of a country be determined mainly by socio-economic factors, the history of the country, etc rather than genetics?

I'm from Ireland and we have one of the worst IQ rates in Europe, does this make the majority of people here genetically inferior to the rest of Europe?

the rest of your post I agree with for the most part
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>>577417
are you really implying that history discussion has no place for right wingers?

eat a dick

>>577427
capitalism isn't necessarily married to the monetization of education. japan and china are perfect examples. they have heavy censorship put in place to mainly ensure educational quality and stability of culture.

this shameless exploitation is something more closely related to harvesting minds because of their value as votes. if the state doesn't need your vote, it needs only control the parts of the dialogue which threaten its control. if the state is democratic, then its control is always threatened, thus they will control every part of your mind, searching for an ideological new fad to capitalize on.
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>>577395
What's wrong with white kids, faggot?
Are you one of those liberals that you're complaining about?
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>>577235
>This faggot belongs in a forced labour camp

I hear this autistic power fantasy repeated so much here. Why are right wingers so obsessed with posturing as tough guys?
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>>577449
I'm implying that rabid shitposting is cancer like on every other board since forever and recommended boards where it is considered acceptable to a degree

don't care about politics (but i do think separating it into "left and right" is retarded)
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>>577462
I think he's got a problem with redditcore white kids, not white kids in general.
And I agree, the majority of his viewers are white, mostly because African Americans aren't really interested in history beside the fringe WE WUZ KINGS N SHIT madman
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>>577441
iq is an imperfect but highly salient measurement. iq basically is an indirect way of measuring deleterious mutations in the brain in number and magnitude. it doesn't get the whole picture, not at all, but it is consistently reliable, not culturally biased, and works as a comparison between populations.

the flynn effect, in which poor people move to western countries, or are adopted by white families, shows that intelligence is mostly genetic. some small part of iq can be lowered by poor nutrition, but education doesn't raise iq, it is set from early childhood.

this isn't really even debated anymore. wikipedia will probably say what I'm saying in a much longer way.

unfortunately, yes, the irish are not the cream of the crop of europe. don't take it personally.
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>>577462

No
I'm actually bejng needlessly stereotypical to point out their demographic is essentially lazy lower middle class people addicted to social media and clickbait and other means of instant gratification and who don't particularly wish to learn

Again calling it out is a legitimate part of discussion. So is acknowledging it. Something you don't see in modern learning let alone clickbait videos

>>577449
Yeah i disagree with this on a variety of levels. I doubt we would agree and sadly don't have the time to pursue the entire debate

However I will say I agree that there should be censorship and cultural oversight to ensure quality.

>>577441
According to the genetic view of history and the world, yes
I don't subscribe to it
Whilst there are certainly differences in races and people I don't necessarily find people to be inferior by definition no matter my quasi elitist misanthropy. With better resources you get better results, even from "natural" idiots
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>>577471
>implying "this is a blue board nigger go back to pol" isn't shitposting
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>>577489
he deserved nothing less
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>>577468
>only my austitically arbitrary definition of "right winger" as "tough guys"
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>>577468
B-but I'm a tankie

Also it's a joke. He isn't nearly important or threatening enough to go to gulag. More important isn't even him as an individual; it's that the clickbait style of learning does more damage to knowledge than it helps

>>577471
This was basically what I was saying
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>>577301
>>577305
>>577325

Western countries were unabashedly eurocentric and patriarchal for most of their history. I'm not saying that necessitates a value judgment, but you can't omit that information when discussing social structure without basically being a revisionist. Sure, the social justice angle is overdone, but it's pretty clear the reaction to liberal-inclined historical inaccuracies on 4chan is much more emotional than it is against right-wing biased pseudohistory like holocaust denial, which people openly embrace here.
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>>577359
You know what? That may be the case, it probably is. I'm getting to autistic for this shit.
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>>577482
>debate
read up on china. I encourage you. I think it will at least open your mind to the possibility that modern dysfunction is caused by democracy, rather than capitalism.

the whole of asia is a natural experiment. europe and north america are all too similar to each other to really determine cause and effect these days.

censorship is necessary to preserve intelligent discussion. you agree on this. take it a step further. capitalism is easy to corral. democracy is much harder.
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>>577235

>everyone must have the same interest as I do
>if they do not they must go into labour camp
>i just got my first pubes

this is how you sound.
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>>577396
The funny thing is that elitist people like yourself often have lower than average IQs.
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>>577499
>but it's pretty clear the reaction to liberal-inclined historical inaccuracies on 4chan is much more emotional than it is against right-wing biased pseudohistory like holocaust denial, which people openly embrace here.
hownew.ru

if you're talking about /pol/ sure but that's a containment board
I think you're just seeing arguments you agree with getting based and have a negative view of this but when you see a view you disagree with getting bashed you assume it is to a lesser extent than the one you agree with, meaning you view things here with an inborn bias and enjoy nitpicking
responses to pinko threads and /pol/-tier holocaust denial threads where the OP makes a claim he refuses to back up are equally hostile here
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>>577515
bashed*
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>>577468
He's probably a manlet or fat neet mad that Jewish people are more successful than him.
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>>577499
I agree with you the open embrace of Holocaust denial and right wing conspiracy theories is open here but that doesn't stop the fact that not only do they put in value judgements, but they also find time.in their extremely compressed videos to make time for women because muh feelings

Sorry but if you got 10 minutes to learn about Charlemagne women better get cut out unless they literally killed him
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>>577428
>research is showing that intelligence is more than 80% heritable

i can't believe you actually fucking believe that. intelligence is so arbitrary and influenced by so many factors that any experiment trying to prove a link between heredity and intelligence is asinine.
i've studied this for years. i've looked at all the papers. none of them add up. it's just a shit ton of cognitive dissonance.
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>>577499
what is eurocentrism?

is it belief in the equality of man? blank slatism? capitalism? meritocracy?

what is it?

what values are we supposed to be open to instead of eurocentrism? are we supposed to be openminded to aztec child sacrifice?

what the fuck would make you idiots happy?

for what it's worth, the only other comparable values system to europe is east asian. you can hardly blame europe for being ignorant about east asia, though.

jesus christ you faggots complain nonstop
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>>577556
>East Asian
>European
>compatible and similar

Now this is some next level historical revisionism
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>>577514
the funny thing is that people like you that pretend to be open minded are usually the ones who most thoroughly crack down on open discussion. they just do it in a direction that moves away from intelligent points, and towards black lives matter type bullshit
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>>577496
I'm talking about ideologues, not leaders. Considering what Stalin actually did I'd say he qualifies as a "tough guy" yeah. He didn't just write fantasies about starving Ukrainians on the internet.

>>577497
>B-but I'm a tankie

Horseshoe theory, my boy. You guys are closer to fascist than either of you are to liberals, although yes, you are technically left wing. Fringe non-democratic ideologies tend to appeal to teenagers and emotionally unstable people.

>More important isn't even him as an individual; it's that the clickbait style of learning does more damage to knowledge than it helps

Oh, if only your Real Socialism™ approved vanguard party controlled education and the media ;_;
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>>577529
you're an idiot. intelligence is heritable. are you reading GENETICS papers or child development papers written by hacks?

quantitative genetics is a relatively new field, you can't be faulted for not knowing about it. but at least you could be prescient enough to not rely on faulty education data, whose policies have seen our education system worsen for 50 years straight.
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>>577561
comparable is not compatible. try reading properly next time thanks
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>>577564
I never claimed to be open minded. There's a difference between New Age "open mindedness", and being open to the possibility that you're incorrect instead of contriving excuses to fit contradicting evidence into your ideological framework. You're just unable to argue with anybody except a mannequin of an SJW.
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>>577566
Ebin simply ebin
>he unironically believes in Horseshoe Theory
Ok then so when did you take Intro to Politics? Seriously it's the definition of "muh liberal world view is always right" idea out there.
And Marxism Leninism is democratic. It's just anti parliamentary

Also and I will say this, yes, end of the day socialist countries often had superior education. When they took the brakes off the media the faggot liberal intellectuals Kruschev let get powerful all helped destroy socialism and were crying 5 years later that Yeltsin was a meany
Same kinds of faggots who make and watch these videos

However my own other views aside doesn't stop my viewpoint on these videos being correct. They're still junk designed to appeal to idiots and make money and fame for the creators, allowing them.to repeat the process.

Moreover
>muh Holodohoax
Yeah that's why the classified Politburo minutes of 1932 dispatched immediate aid and as many ethnic Russians jn the Russian SFSR died. And of course they wanted le ukies dead so they stopped the genocide because LOL :^)

>>577564
Pure openness doesn't equal quality though. I would agree pure censorship doesn't work though. And a crackdown doesn't mean necesssrily banning or attacking or shutting people down, it can also mean keeping certain groups out.
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>>577556
>what is eurocentrism?

European exceptionalism.

>is it belief in the equality of man? blank slatism? capitalism? meritocracy?

These can be portrayed as "Western values" in a modern context yes, although I would not call any of them inherent to it, as I do not see culture as fixed and immutable. That idea is a spook in itself, what's more notable to me is how people rally others behind ideas.

>what values are we supposed to be open to instead of eurocentrism?

Learn to read.

>Western countries were unabashedly eurocentric and patriarchal for most of their history. I'm not saying that necessitates a value judgment

Clearly I'm boxed into a category of "you faggots" in your mind, so this post is probably futile. You don't have to prescribe negative qualities to social phenomena like patriarchy to recognize they existed but please continue to act hysterical if it pleases you.
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>>577627
I dont disagree with anything in this post

Your last paragraph in particular: you don't have to ascribe negative aspects to historical phenomena to acknowledge they existed
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>>577627
again, you didn't answer my question. why does eurocentrism belong at all, in a discussion of european history? they developed the most comprehensive, honest, and scientific system of thought they could possibly have, with what they had exposure to.

nothing else in the world was comparable. were europeans supposed to assimilate scientific lessons from voodoo doctors in africa?

please tell me what they were supposed to be noneurocentric about.

certainly the chinese had more stable bureaucratic structures. that would be a good thing to study.

what else? please tell me.
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>>577515
>if you're talking about /pol/ sure but that's a containment board

It's hardly contained.

>I think you're just seeing arguments you agree with getting based and have a negative view of this but when you see a view you disagree with getting bashed you assume it is to a lesser extent than the one you agree with, meaning you view things here with an inborn bias and enjoy nitpicking
responses to pinko threads and /pol/-tier holocaust denial threads where the OP makes a claim he refuses to back up are equally hostile here

4chan is well known for being right-leaning. This isn't some peculiar notion I just invented myself. /his/ and /lit/ are very slow boards compared to /b/, /pol/, /tv/, /v/ or /r9k/. Even the leftists on sites like 4chan and double4chan are much more right-leaning than their "comrades" on a cesspit like revleft.
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>>577658
>It's hardly contained.
You see how much leakage we get?
Now imagine how worse it would be if /pol/ didn't have a home board
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>>577658

Don't compare me to those SJW muh feelings faggots

t. Tankie

You're generally correct though, however social "conservatism" isn't necessarily right wing, it's tjat special snowflake bullshit has become associated, especially in the West, with "leftism" as they abandoned their economic platform.
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>>577599
>Seriously it's the definition of "muh liberal world view is always right" idea out there

Wow, how could I have the audacity to believe my own beliefs.

>And Marxism Leninism is democratic. It's just anti parliamentary

I think you mean anti-partisan.
It's easy to call yourself democratic, of course.

>The holodomor was a hoax

I guess horseshoe theory DOES have merit.
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>>577671
>Don't compare me to those SJW muh feelings faggots

But of course class warfare, the worker's revolution and dictatorship of the proletariat isn't identity politics. Nope, not at all. It's just uh, based on the idea that workers need a common identity to oppose systematic oppression. Don't compare me to fags and niggers please (not a stormfag btw).

>You're generally correct though, however social "conservatism" isn't necessarily right wing, it's tjat special snowflake bullshit has become associated, especially in the West, with "leftism" as they abandoned their economic platform.

Yeah, I almost completely agree with this actually.
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>>577675
Of course you should believe yours. I don't particularly find that bad.

Except if you're to say anti-partisan I'd agree with that. Democracy is through the work places and Party. Of course Soviet democracy was weak or suppressed on many occasions but it was still there.

>I believe in the Holodohoax
Except, and this is a huge difference, mainstream economists and historians (some of whom are straight anti Communist) such as wheatcroft and Ashton Or J Arch Getty and not lone conspiritards like David Irving now believe the famine was a a pan Union thing (it was) not targeted at Ukrainians (it wasn't) and with a much lower body count than estimated (which it is).

Holocaust denial is a conspiracy by people who are openly Nazi and wish to praise the Nazi system whilst overlooking it's glaring faults.

On the other hand socialists must look soberly at the failings of the nations of socialist construction. The Holodomor wasn't one, it was a tragic famine which hurt the development of the country

>>577689
Except that SJWs etc say that culture is all that matters and and exists outside time and space. Marxists believe your role in society comes from economics and that the contradictions of capitalism can be solved by economics. This also means that identity isn't solely based on class, even in the manifesto Marx acknowledges large amounts of petit and bourgeois will join the proletariat. His point however in Critique of the Gotha Program is that the proletarian revolution is to put forward proletarian class interests by expropriation of the means of production from the capitalists. Capitalists aren't even necessarily bad people on an individual level; it is their mode of exploitation which is. Compare that to the SJWs who think all men are evil.

Moreover rhe proletarian dictatorship is the knowledge the contradictions aren't solved via guilt like the SJWs want but by restructuring the economics of society.
Abandoning economics lead to this cultural abomonation
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>>577646
>why does eurocentrism belong at all, in a discussion of european history?

All cultures are egocentric and I don't magically think Europe is exempt from that. Eurocentric attitudes were part of the worldview of Europeans for much of history, and are therefore relevant to European history. How is this a difficult concept? Do you think the Divine Right of Kings was irrelevant to European history, too?

>were europeans supposed to assimilate scientific lessons from voodoo doctors in africa?
>please tell me what they were supposed to be noneurocentric about.
>what else? please tell me.

I told you before. Learn to read.

>Western countries were unabashedly eurocentric and patriarchal for most of their history. I'm not saying that necessitates a value judgment
>I'm not saying that necessitates a value judgment

>You don't have to prescribe negative qualities to social phenomena like patriarchy to recognize they existed

Have you read the above quote? Good. You can stop being triggered now. You're safe. The big scary liberal was just a dream.
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>>577718
If you say so
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>>577734
Shhh he's losing his mind

He also think that these aspects came for magical reasons or muh racialism rather than due to unique historical conditions leading to a more rapid development of the mode of production and development of the region which isn't "le white people and qt azn Waifus are awesome" /pol/ meme
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>>577734
what is a non eurocentric approach to bureaucracy? can you even name one? I can

name a non eurocentric approach to science.

please, go on. tell me why eurocentrism is bad.

>implying patriarchy is bad
patriarchy established the basis of property rights, and to this day, maintains property rights.
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>>577718
>Except, and this is a huge difference, mainstream economists and historians (some of whom are straight anti Communist) such as wheatcroft and Ashton Or J Arch Getty and not lone conspiritards like David Irving now believe the famine was a a pan Union thing (it was) not targeted at Ukrainians (it wasn't) and with a much lower body count than estimated (which it is).
This is because holodomor denial is approved by the leftist establishment. Had the holodomor targeted jews it would be illegal to deny it.

>Holocaust denial is a conspiracy by people who are openly Nazi
Completely untrue. Holocaust revisionism was actually created by a communist french resistance fighter who got deported to Buchenwald named Rassinier.

Anyways, I don't want to start this conversation. You'll smugly link to some shitty denier like Tauger, and cry "POL!!" if I link to anything, so let's leave it at that.
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>>577718
>The Holodomor wasn't one, it was a tragic famine which hurt the development of the country
And the holocaust was the result of a tragic resource mismanagement due to bombed out supply lines ;^)
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>>577833
Ah yes, it was made by a right wing "socialist" using the Holocaust to try and attack the PCF and USSR

>but it's da leftist media and Jews who are entrenching muh Holodohoax denial heu heu heu
How much denial do you have to be in
>da gubment controlled by J00s
>da J00s support the Ukrainian gubment via Washington
>???
>the leftists did it, Wehrmacht dindu nuffin in Ukraine

Interesting....

>>577839
Ebin
It doesn't stop the fact that the 1932-33 famine wasn't a targeted attempt to murder the group

Moreover the Nazis stopped because they got invaded
The.Soviets just stopped because lol enough genocide quota for one five year plan, comrade?

Doesn't explain the classified Politburo minutes about ending rhe famine and distributing grain in the hardest hit areas
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>>577865
>right wing "socialist"
>right wing
>socialist
Kek'd

>but it's da leftist media and Jews who are entrenching muh Holodohoax denial heu heu heu
>How much denial do you have to be in
>da gubment controlled by J00s
>da J00s support the Ukrainian gubment via Washington
>???
>the leftists did it, Wehrmacht dindu nuffin in Ukraine
Nice pavlovian reflex

>he dares to say something about jews which isn't pure eulogy
>this means he is a nazi stormfag conspiracy theorist

Newsflash, nigger, I'm not a holocaust denier. Neither am I a holodomor denier. I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy when you decry one of those denials and indulge in another.

It's pretty fucking obvious that academia is more lenient towards holodomor denial than holocaust denial, considering that the foremost holodomor denier is a tenured professor in a major american university, whereas the foremost holocaust deniers are either in exile or in jail.

>It doesn't stop the fact that the 1932-33 famine wasn't a targeted attempt to murder the group
Yes it was, it didn't target a race, but it targeted a class. Class genocide is genocide just as ethnic genocide is genocide.

>The.Soviets just stopped because lol enough genocide quota for one five year plan, comrade?
The soviets stopped when the kulaks were liquidated.

I suggest you read a history book (any will do, really), instead of getting your facts from reddit and /leftypol/.
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>>577903
>peiple can't fake ideologies
>there is no divide within individual ideologies

>Oi vey you're praising le Jews
On the contrary the State of Israel is an aberration. I understand where it came from even if I do not support it

>the leading Holodomor "denier" is X and all the Holocaust deniers are in exile
Because one is real and the other isn't. More importantly Holocaust deniers go where people will listen to tjem like Hungary

>class genocide
>read a book
>le leftypol bogeyman
Leftypol are Burgers who suck the dick of Murrika and muh Stalin is evil meme

The.liquidation of kulak wasn't killing them though and was largely accomplished by 32 before the famine. It meant taking their grain and expropriating their land as a hostile class, which they were.

The famine itself affected the country and again you can do nothing but strawman and insult the fact that the Politburo was fully aware and sent them relief

Closed notes so the muh propaganda argument doesn't make sense
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>>577817
>"To recognize the existence of something doesn't necessitate moral judgement"
>"WHY ARE YOU SAYING THESE THINGS ARE BAD STOP HURTING MY FEELINGS"
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>getting your education from an 8 minute youtube video instead of reading the actual text
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>>577131
The problem I have with this is not the guy himself but the demographic target. I mean, let be honest, these kind of videos are only made for people who want to be interest in stuff but don't actually want to go in full details. If, to stay in the board's topic, you are interested to history, you will not watch some videos but actually read (or even watch if possible) some secondary sources or even primary sources if you have no problem with them.
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>>577278
Pms much
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>>577718
>Abandoning economics lead to this cultural abomonation

Since when does SJ "abandon economics"? Many of their primary arguments tie racial minorities and women to lower income as a sign of patriarchy.

>Capitalists aren't even necessarily bad people on an individual level; it is their mode of exploitation which is. Compare that to the SJWs who think all men are evil.

Not really. With the exception of "PIV-critical" lesbian separatists and TERF types (who are ostracized within feminism), the vast majority of liberal feminists would mirror your sentiment that patriarchy as a system is the problem - not any inherent biological condition of men - on the grounds that blaming patriarchy on biology deprives misogynists of agency for their actions and the ability to inspire progressive change via social movements.

>Moreover rhe proletarian dictatorship is the knowledge the contradictions aren't solved via guilt like the SJWs want but by restructuring the economics of society.

And yet they've been far more resistant historically than communism despite this "guilt" method which is supposedly horrible because it doesn't involve a glorious bloody revolution you fantasize about.
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PBS gets a bad rap, yes it is often for plebs but making stuff for plebs is how you make plebs not plebs.
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>>577468
Says the guy using autistic as an insult.
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>>577468
Cause we're the toughest guys in the history of mankind? Haven't you seen pics of leftists?
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>>577288
Yes.

>>577301
I agree with most of what you say
>do a good job of presenting information
I, personally (and yes it applies to me, I had to watch this shit in high school when it first came out), found it terrible, it's often cluttered and jumps around spontaneously. Every episode has like 7 sidetracks, it's really annoying when you just want some basic information, which is what a crashcourse should be for. I want to watch a crash course, I want straight information, not a bias laden diatribe. He literally takes 3 minutes out of each 10 minute video to analyze some doc and spout his opinion on the subject. Granted, I know he never intended to tailor it to me, but I feel like it cheats the kids who want to actually learn. We watched this crap in the AP class, which of course was filled with idiots who didn't care or like the subject so the entire class and anyone who wants to learn the subject has to be dragged down. I suppose it all ends up being a flaw in the education system and not the video but I'm still going to call it on that, among its other flaws as well
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>>577131
FUCK NO

THIS FRUITY GUY WILL BUTCHER SO MUCH SHIT

PLEASE NO

NO

NEVER NO

STOP HIM
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>>577131
I guarantee they will start their discussion of Nietzsche with the idea of the ubermensch, which is such a big fucking mistake.

The ubermensch is so unimportant and so hard to get, and yet people obsess over it because "muh nazis"

There's so much interesting shit of Nietzsche's that nobody ever talks about because of the wankery.
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>>580454
delusional, forced labour camps are a left thing mate. Its a geography problem, Western leftist and rightists are weak and degenerate. Communist (they still exist) and neo nazis in eastern block are far more masculine then your mencius moldbug and maoistrebelnews.
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>>580611
This. Western "rightists" summarized by my image. They cling to the image of strength because they know they're weak.
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>>580596
>unimportant
The Ubermensch is basically the mission statement of Nietzsche's philosophy.

I agree, people dwell on it too much but it's by no means unimportant.
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>>580630
>The Ubermensch is basically the mission statement of Nietzsche's philosophy.
Yeah, that's why it's a horrible place to start.
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>>577131
i decided to give a try on this faggot, but on the second video i saw he said australia was a continent and i instantly stopped watching this shit
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>>577288
The Renaissance never happened because everything was stolen from Arabs, women were oppressed, and the poor people didn't get to enjoy all of the Renaissance stuff.
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>>577275
But John is now a famous and rich author. He makes Hollywood movies, talks to the president and goes to global summits and shit.
He doesnt have the time for Youtube videos.
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>>580734
How is Australia not a continent? Every continent model I know classifies Australia and Antarctica as separate from the others. Way to be triggered.
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>>577131
Isn't this the guy from YouTube? Why is he always undermining scholars with tens of years of experience?

Is YouTube now a place for brain dead high school dropouts to crash course on complex topics and then waste everyone time by debating the sub?
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>>577422
they are both undeserving of life, as are you. kill yourself.
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>>580835
>But John is now a famous and rich author. He makes Hollywood movies, talks to the president and goes to global summits and shit.
What is the world coming to...
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>>580824
Alright, I just watched the stuff, and even though none of the points made by the guy were factually wrong, to say the renaissance didn't happened because it was influenced by arabs and only affected a privileged few it's stupid. We are talking about a feudal Europe, where all the important decisions were taken by the same minority influenced by the renaissance. Not to talk about the influence roman military texts had on the way pike and shot tactics developed later in the XVII century thanks to the renaissance discoveries: the whole idea of the professional army came from this.
In other words, these guys are full of shit.
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>>581522
>Is YouTube now a place for brain dead high school dropouts to crash course on complex topics and then waste everyone time by debating the sub?
Yeah. They don't know about Kahn Academy or that most Ivy League schools offer free lectures and shit.
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>>577235
That's his brother; hank is much less of a SJW, or at least he's less blatant about it.
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>>577288
John's videos on slavery and the Greco-Persian wars are legit Neo-Progressive tier. But besides that, no.
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Jokes on you I've only read some plato and sartre and the myth of sisyphus. Also the wall. Oh and that one by neetchie about sheep and eagles and shit.
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>>577440
>Ebin xDDDDDDDDD
fuck off
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>>577131
I only watch scishow, seems like the only "good" thing either of them can do.
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>>581134
because australia is a country in oceania. is new zeeland part of australia? is papua new guinea part of australia? is palau part of australia?

i guess that's what american geography class teaches then, but in the rest of the world, people teach that australia is a country inside the continent of oceania
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>>577658
>4chan is well known for being right-leaning
No, it's known for being contrarian. It was all Bush bashing before 2009.
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>>577131
I absolutely love how much these faggots trigger the people around here.

While this obviously won't be any sort of reasonable substitute for actual reading and discourse on philosophy, it will be an enjoyable series of videos for me to watch while eating breakfast.
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>>577131
Crash Course is for faggots
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>>577235
Too edgy bro
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>>585000
I bet you eat sugary cereals you poshlost scum
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I thought John is the one who teaches arts & humanities subject? Doesn't Hank usually teaches STEM?
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>>586743
He says he wants to look at philosophy from a scientific perspective and see if it makes scientific sense
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>>577481

IQ scores actually correlate with economic development, which isn't something you'd expect from a metric that is supposedly set at birth.
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>>586737
I wish man, lactose intolerant
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>>586745
So he's just going to unnecessarily shit on it? Great.
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>>586745
what a retard
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>>586767
It's complete bullshit that IQ is set at early childhood. Education do very much help you raise it. And I've became dumber and experienced a regress on IQ scores the last 3 years (God knows for what reason). The statements about economic development is true however.
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>>577499
>Western countries were unabashedly eurocentric and patriarchal for most of their history.
NOBODY IS DENYING THIS.
The point is that John Green is using it as a political argument, clearly indicating that it is somehow inherently wrong.
Europeans are Europeans, IT IS EXPECTED for them to view the world from an eurocentric angle.
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>>587551
>>577499
I'm wondering though, why do they feel the need to constantly bring up eurocentrism if it's "not inherently wrong" or even adds anything to what's being discussed.
It's just a bunch of nonsense they're spouting in the hopes of seeming more politically correct because "somewhere, someone might think differently about it so we must mention every possible way of looking at things so as to not offend anybody"
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>>587744
>still no answer on this
kek
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>>577496
you know stalin looked better in that pic without that little jew in the right, literally ruins the whole photo shoot.
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