>>575552 >Is suicide morally acceptable? If so, under what circumstances? acceptable only if you disengage yourself form your previous engagements. AND after you understand that there is no reason to die, just as there is no reason to live.
suicide is the faith of the hedonist [=the one who takes seriously the idea of self through emotions, ideas, conciousness...] in the cessation of life, but the suicidal person despises life much, only because he cannot get what he wants. suicide expresses greatly the faith in an ego. this is nice, but before your suicide, attempt to abdicate before your misery, it might change your perspective and anyway, if you really have faith in your future death, then you can endure a few years of pains, but then you equally understand that resentment, hate, greed are pointless. abdicate before your misery. life does not matter, death does not matter.
>>575552 In philosophy, at least secular philosophy, it is generally agreed suicide can be the best option for some scenarios, and the worst option for others. You can read "The Myth of Sisyphus" for an interesting perspective on all of this.
>>575552 I personally would say suicide is only acceptable when your own death will save other people. Like if the only way to save a room full of people from a grenade by jumping on it.
But other than that, it's retarded. Killing yourself because you don't enjoy life just means you need to improve, not remove it. And from a Catholic standpoint, you can't repent a suicide. Any other sin, it's possible to truly feel remorse and repent, but if you kill yourself, that's it. Straight to judgement time.
It all depends on your own morals, but those are mine.
And anon, if you're feeling any suicidal thoughts, talk to someone about it. Anyone is better than no one. Maybe a suicide hotline, or a religious figure in your neighborhood, like a pastor. Even if you think it's the right thing to do, know there's at least one person in this world who's life would be worsened by yours leaving.
Morality is relative. But generally as long as your suicide brings no grevious harm (physically, mentally or even financially) to others then there shouldn't be a problem. Your life is your own, even to end if that is what you choose to do.
>>575552 >Is suicide morally acceptable? If so, under what circumstances?
Under the "duty to society" tab, where many people fill in their morals, suicide would be acceptable in your old age. You will have worked, created offspring, helped your offspring start a life, helped your offspring care for their own offspring, and stopped working. At this point, after around 60 year old age, you arent useful to other people and would be morally justified to end your life if you feel inclined, since you only continue to live for yourself.
>>575552 Ever since God reveled himself in human flesh ( Jesus ) it is indeed immoral to suicide. People had an excuse until then - what if life is meaningless - why not stop it now instead of going trough pointless process.
>>575552 Without explicitly answering OP's question I want to bring up suicide under the condition that one is suffering under a terminal illness. The "right to die" so to speak has been tossed around the medical community right now and companies aren't quite sure how to handle the situation. In practice, a patient would be ending a suffering living a life already cut short.
Would this scenario not reinforce the acceptability of suicide? Generally most of the post vindicating suicide give the reason that one's life is theirs to take.
>>580111 >>Would this scenario not reinforce the acceptability of suicide? the euthanasia is a diversion, by the liberals, from the question of suicide. the quesiton of suicide has two facets -the suicide from depression -the suicide from philosophy
suicide form depression is dealt by the liberals in giving people drugs.
suicide form philosophy is not dealt by the liberals, therefore is the most dangerous to the human rights, precisely because the perspective of the philosophical suicide lies outside of the doctrine of the human rights: this perspective says that human rights are nothing but conventions and makes the liberals standing before their contradictions: the one where they are not able to justify their authority, just like the liberals complained that kings were not able to justify their authority [in fact, kings justify their authority by their lineage, which pisses off the liberals'; the liberals justify their authority poorly in saying that ''the people wants us, the liberals, to be in power''; the trick then is to carefully select what they call ''the people''] the nice trick by the liberals is to obfuscate their authority into an implicit one, more compatible with their hatred of explicit authority [=tyrannies] : they claim thus that the human rights are natural, that any humans think that the human rights make sense [with the faith that they will be backed-up by their faith in what they call science] and anybody disagreeing on this is not a human, but an animal [=a reactionary].
so the suicide outside of depression is dangerous, because it shows that liberals cannot counter the lack of motivation to live. the liberals prefer to focus on suicide from pains: this one enables them to say that ''the human suffering'' must be answered by... science and faith in the human rights, in one word, the occidental humanist doctrine. pain/suffering is always the decisive motivation to get things form the society, in a liberal society.[as minorities, workers...]
It depends on the culture. The Japanese used to think it was the only honorable way out. (Even now it's not looked down too badly if you fucked up or shamed your entire family). If you're Christian though, no. your life is not truly "yours" to take."
The gallows in my garden, people say, Is new and neat and adequately tall; I tie the noose on in a knowing way As one that knots his necktie for a ball; But just as all the neighbours–on the wall– Are drawing a long breath to shout “Hurray!” The strangest whim has seized me. . . . After all I think I will not hang myself to-day.
To-morrow is the time I get my pay– My uncle’s sword is hanging in the hall– I see a little cloud all pink and grey– Perhaps the rector’s mother will not call– I fancy that I heard from Mr. Gall That mushrooms could be cooked another way– I never read the works of Juvenal– I think I will not hang myself to-day.
The world will have another washing-day; The decadents decay; the pedants pall; And H.G. Wells has found that children play, And Bernard Shaw discovered that they squall, Rationalists are growing rational– And through thick woods one finds a stream astray So secret that the very sky seems small– I think I will not hang myself to-day.
Prince, I can hear the trumpet of Germinal, The tumbrils toiling up the terrible way; Even to-day your royal head may fall, I think I will not hang myself to-day.
Acceptability is literally a spook. People would hold you subservient to this because it either brings them pleasure or they mistakenly think it will.
For many they would rather you suffer a lifetime of misery than deal with the consequences of it.
If you follow that Anons (>>576272) advice you legitimately run the risk of involuntary committal to a mental institution. So make of that as you will.
Discuss suicide seriously in anything but the most sterile academic conditions and even then hostility and you run the risk of being declared mentally ill which is the weapon of choice in the modern age.
>>576272 >Killing yourself because you don't enjoy life just means you need to improve, not remove it >I think people with terminal illnesses or facing dementia need to simply suck up and suffer through years or even decades of complete misery because they can improve their lives despite crippling diseases damning them to endless pain or complete mental degeneration.
>>580163 There is a 0% chance, and I actually mean a 0% chance, that you could convince even a million people in one area to all kill themselves, much less the whole fucking world you clod. Lots of folks including Jews argued for collective suicide of Jews during the holocaust, and obviously it didn't catch on because it defies every sociological inevitability.
I was talking about individual ethics.
Quote the part of my post where I advocated for a global extinction. I'm waiting nerd
>>582617 >Suicide is the logical extension of self-harm. Except that self harm increases linearly until it hits the binary breaking point, suicide, after which there literally isn't any harm that can be experienced
Your conceptualization of what suicide is is fucking dumb
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