>Build an empire
>Make it last
It seems to me only the romans, turks, persians, and chinese have been able to do this
Ethiopia is almost twice the size of France, m8. It's definitely an empire. It even had an emperor up until very recently that wasn't a we wuz kangs exagerration.
I was surprised how little they actually lasted (500 years) compared to their influence.
The Ottomans supplanted a well-civilized part of the world. The actual horde states were terrible in state building.
Cool guys but the states changed all the time and even by foreigners
Lots of changes
>forgetting the Byzantines, one of the longest lasting polities ever and the longest in Europe (1123)
It's weird how such an everlasting empire can just disappear.
Alexander also left a strong Hellenic presence in Asia despite the empire collapsing pretty fast.
Except it used to be globally recognized as an empire.
Japan's another empire that's been around for ages and still literally is, we've forgotten about that one.
Where does this notion that empires never last come from? No state has complete permanence, empires are hardly unique in having lifespans, and it seems to me last longer than their counterparts.
Countries compromised of people of single nationality have extremely long lifespans and hold out for long after ceasing to exist.
Roman empire has fallen and ever since every notion of rebuilding it wasn't de facto caused by the will of Romans to rebuild the country.
Meanwhile Kurds have never had an independent country, not counting several vassals of various hordes yet they're still here, currently busy with BTFO-ing ISIS.
Yes. Vatican City and Russian Federation are successor states
Mehmet pls. The only reason Anatolia is still occupied is because the Anglos won't let anyone take care of the T*rk problem.
ehh. They controlled the Arab caliphates. After the Nader Shah, things kinda went downhill.
There have multiple dynasties of different origin. That doesn't count.
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Also, topics like this can be hard bacuase "empire" is not that well defined, and there are always some borderline cases. Does the Byzantine empire count, for instance, or do you see it as a part of the roman empire? Should the HRE, the longest lasting part of Charlemagne's empire count as an empire?
How about Russia? they've been growing since the 11th centuty, and in the 16th century had an empire at least as large as the rest of europe. By the 18th century, they had quadrupled that, and became a serious player in foreign politics. of course, the 20th century is mostly the age of Russia and America, two emerging superpowers defeating the Nazis and battleing for world dominance. Even now, even though the ruskies doon't have nearly the same influence, they ascribe to themselves, they are still a mayor player in world politics. Does that constitute an empire?
>changing dynasties and government forms doesn't mean it stopped existing.
Every single dynasty acted as its own state. To say that China remained a single entity would be like saying the Mediterranean nations are all collectively Rome.
>Every single dynasty acted as its own state
Wrongo. All Chinese dynasties called their empire China and kept the same institutions such as its bureaucracy and Confucian-based legal systems that were in place since the Han Dynasty. They just added shit over time.
Only difference was the Mongol Yuan Dynasty. As it was both Great Khanate & Chinese Empire.
There's a reason why Chinese History is divided into Prehistory, Ancient, *Imperial,* and Modern.
Do we count the British Empire, because the monarchy there technically still exists and it rules over more than one land mass (The UK).
Or did it die when most of their regions disbanded or were given freedom?
Yeah, because all of the wealth went to the homeland.
They did not give a SHIT about anyone else but the Mongol peoples. And the Mongol peoples basked in it.
Which directly lead to their downfall, too, so the Mongols aren't exactly a very sustainable Empire. Which is what happens when your prime advantage is taken away by better living standards.
I think you're talking about Eritrea, which currently isn't part of Ethiopia and was originally more or less ceded by Ethiopia to Italy in the first place.
The Somalian bit of Ethiopia has been part of it since long before the fall of colonialism.
Whilst Britain is old as fuck so are most countries in Europe.
However places like Ethiopia and China are literally thousands of years old, making Britain seem quite young in comparison. Not to mention it still hasn't existed for as long as the Roman Empire did by the time it fell.
T.B.H. According to Osterhammel modern Major European Nation States are just ex-empires w/ Nation rhetoric. And then you have Niall Ferguson calling them out "LOL EMPIRES DIDN'T DIE."
A lot of Asian Nation States as well. China is more or less the same shape as the last Imperial Dynasty Was.
Chinks dont count since they are not humans
Romans, Turks and turkics, Macedon, and probably the Brits with their run around and plant flags empire.
Persians also get a good rating here.
except seljuk turks were already in anatolia pushing for european land before the crusades happened, the crusaders stopped their push to west and the mongolians broke the empire
if anything the fall of byzantium was because of incompetent kaisers and treasonous allies in the west, serbs and other opponents were pushing into the byzantines before the ottomans jumped across the straits
The Byzantines recovered rather quickly after Manzikert and the Seljuks were already fighting amongst themselves. And since Nicaea survived against the Mongols, it's likely that Byzantium would've dealt with them as well. But you are correct about the problem being the nobility being the problem, since the Fourth Crusade was targetted on Constantinople only because of a Byzantine pretender.