Theists believe god exists because something could not have come from nothing.
Atheists believe that the universe was a singularity prior to the big bang.
So do theists believe a singularity is god, or do they think a singularity is nothing?
Atheists believe a black hole is a singularity, but not the same kind of singularity that was the precursor to the big bang.
Do theists believe black holes are gods, or do they believe black holes are nothing?
If a theist says a black hole, a singularity, is a thing, how can a theist say the big bang says nothing created something?
There is nothing to believe, this universe started from a singularity, and the rapid expansion of space and time from that point is what we call the Big Bang.
This has been proven without a shadow of a doubt.
Just stop. This shit needs to stop. The amount of religious shit-posting is just staggering.
Atheists don't believe in God. That's it.
> So how do they think the universe was created
Some probably don't care and will claim they don't know but that some scientist some day will find out. But it's not something you can say "atheists believe" any more than "Christians believe you shouldn't eat dogs".
Not that guy and all but if you really think the big bang hasent been proven to be pretty much 100% correct you should reevaluate youself. Anyone with even the slightest knowledge in physics would never dream of saying something so stupid.
It was considered proven beyond any doubt by physicists in the 50's. Let alone all the new evidence that has been accrued since them.
is this some epic troll?
Not every atheist believes in the singularity black hole theory. Some believe that the universe is like a sine wave, where the universe expands, contracts, expands and contracts in an infinite cycle.
>Your word games don't change metaphysical reality. You hold a belief that God does not exist.
You're completely missing the point of my post. Re-read it.
>You obviously actively identify as one.
Aimchair psychology doesn't suit you m8
Consider pantheism. This was a practiced religion of many. All religions that had a PANTHEon. Monotheistic faiths all came from pantheistic beliefs, even Judaism and its offshoots. Yehweh was the Canaanite god of war, the whole religious text was rewritten into a monotheistic story.
The answer to what is divinity and how did everything come to be lies in the study of ancient polytheistic faiths. We came from Chaos, the Gap var Ginnunga, nothingness, from that came the forces and the forces led to us. If you don't understand how something can come from nothing, look how whole light refracts from a prism. Whole light is present but not visible, the refraction is perceivable by us, the refraction point is creation. God said "let there be light," and as I said, the answers are already written you just have to study it to find them. We are a separation of God, divinity, nirvana. Ancient pagan religions were the study of how to return to the whole, new religions are a bastardization of faith. When kings realized they could use faith for power many teachings were rewritten to suit them, that's why we see war gods becoming the dominant gods and not gods of love or intellect.
Sorry that post is all over the place, its late, if you want me to clarify just ask. I've been deep into the study of various religions for some time and I've got more than a few "ah-ha!" explanations.
I lost track of my point, yes. Yes they do worship the singularity whether they acknowledge it or not. You don't even want to know what a black hole is... Not the devil, "evil" forces are a part of the whole.
Atheists dont necessarily believe in anything.
Plus, you show a very poor understanding of what a singularity is from a physics point of view.
"Singularity" is not infinity.
And the theory that the big bang expanded from a singularity is ultimately just a theory derived from a logical regression of the way we know the universe expanded.
The fact that we can present a valid idea of how the universe was at t=0.00000000001 miliseconds is still not the same as knowing how the universe looked like at t=0.
Its a visibility and physical frontier. Just like a black hole. Thats one of the reasons why singularities are called like that
wow, I don't think a single person here has read Aquinas or actually understands the slightest bit about the cosmological defense.
You guys do know that philosophy of religion is a specific field, right? There are texts you need to read and concepts you need to learn in order to actually understand what these DUMB THEISTS!!1! believe.
Actually, the Big Bang theory doesn't say anywhere that the universe generated from a point in space. It could have been originated from a finite or infinite space. What is sure is that it was originated from a point in time.
>The big bang hasn't been definitively proven per se. It's just the most well supported theory by an overwhelming amount.
By "well-supported", it should be noted that modelling as well as observation of leftovers such as cosmic background radiation have allowed us to replicate what was going on to the point of 0.0000000001 of a second (10 ^-11 seconds) after the big bang, and computer modelling has given us indications of 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001 of a second ( 10 ^-37 ) before the event itself.
>Question based on false dichotomy
>Question based on False Dichotomy
>If I create a logical paradox out of unsupported assumptions and broad generalizations, surely this will make people think like me.
>atheists don't believe in god. that's it
why then, will you always try to tout a moral system that found its origin in christianity, or do the opposite and fight for extreme stupidity aka feminism+pro-immigration+pro-welfare+etc (in the vein of modern leftism)
face it, atheists are either communists in "disguise" or misotheists
>claiming christianity is the root of morality
Hammurabi's code, you dolt. Morality is independent of religion. Besides, Christianity is just a construct of humans, so we're... getting our rules from other humans? Sounds reasonable. Definitely not some "god" giving them to us, lol.
This is so fucking basic that I'm going to assume you're trolling. Either way, don't expect another reply from me, since it's clear you're a fedora tipper no older than 16.
ps seek the verse where he says the old law has been fulfilled
so basic? prove god to me then faggot
i think the fact we're having this conversation is indicative that
A. God doesn't exist because if he did everyone would know
B. God exists but doesn't give a shit so religion is worthless
how about you stop with the fedora shit and give a real answer?