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Just how does something like this happen?

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Just how does something like this happen?
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>>571328
>The Egyptians were willing to fight, to the last Syrian
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>>571328

Same way a lot of the colonial wars happened. Technological edge, and even more so, a modern western military discipline and training against poorer tactical and operational troops lead to extremely lopsided results.
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>>571328
>34 US navy sailors killed
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>>571360
Can't write this one off as a technological bit, bruv. Both Egypt and Syria were technologically comparable to Israel.
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the same way something like pic related happens, better morale, fighting on home clay, and more decisive commanders
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>>571328
That's just Israel doing their regular Jewish tradition of attacking all their neighbours randomly.

The real miracle is how Israel won the Arab-Israel war to create their state to begin with.
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>>571385
fuggg forgot pic :DDDD
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>>571365
Greatest ally being great.
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>>571328
I'd wager the jews were behind this
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>>571378

>And even more so, a modern western military discipline and training


And, you can't just look at the various planes and tanks and say that 'oh yeah, they're about equal, tech is equal'. Technology, or at least applied use of technology in wartime, is partially cultural. Places like Israel have centralized maintenance facilities for their planes and their weapons systems, wheras arab armies, mostly out of fear of military units plotting against the capital, would divide up maintenance functions, often assigning repair work to tribes hostile to the guys being repaired.

Net result, one side has weapons that work, the other side it's hit and miss.
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They completely wiped out Egypt's airforce and most of their tanks in a sneak attack they claimed was "preemptive".

That's why their occupation of Gaza, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights are completely illegal.
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>>571443
>They completely wiped out Egypt's airforce and most of their tanks in a sneak attack they claimed was "preemptive".

Pretty much this. It was a shock to everyone, and that surprise basically ended the war before it started.

>>571386
>The real miracle is how Israel won the Arab-Israel war to create their state to begin with.
It's not really a miracle, the Israelis were willing to fight harder. The Israeli armed forces were partially made up of terrorist gangs that were willing to burn down villages and drive people out of the country. They also had a number of people who had combat experience from fighting in resistance groups in Europe. Their goal was to expel as many Palestinians as possible, and they did it.
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>>571328
modern Arab armies were essentially police forces made up of conscripts forced to enforce the Presidents hold on the government. With constant fear of coups, the regime never allows the military much independence.
The Israelis on the other hand had a purpose.
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>Arab politicians make a big show out of the impending war
>are not aware that the IAF has been having their pilots memorize the locations of Egyptian air force bases since the late fifties

There's a Clint Eastwood line that applies here.

If you're going to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
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>>571482
>If you're going to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
That was Tuco, homie.
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>>571328
They had a more technologically superior millitary, were much more organized, and had much better do discipline and training, had overwhelming air superiority, and had generally better generals. They also fired first in a preemptive strike against amassing troops, so not only did they rob their enemies of the element of surprise, they used it against them
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>>571443
To be fair, it was a preemptive strike. Troops were amassing on their borders and Egypt blockaded their Red Sea port of Eilat, something that can easily be seen as a deceleration of war, or at the very least a textbook example for a legitimate reason to start one. Say what you want about Israel but they did the smarter thing in striking first rather than sitting there waiting to be attacked
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>>571349

hoho, very clever anon

>>571443

>troops massing on your border
>attack imminent because you cannot fucking conceal these things, it is painfully obvious when it's going to happen and there's no mistaking it
>kick your poised foes right in the front butt and cripple a vital part of their war machine, ensuring all their tanks are for naught

It was brilliant. Say what you want about the Heebs but they've got stones. And any sane nation would do exactly the same thing and be totally justified.
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>>571522
>>571535


And people say the JIDF is just a meme.
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>>571386
Nah, most historians on the topic now agree that that a Jewish victory was highly probable.
>Jews have higher morale
>Jews are better disciplined
>Jews are more centralized
>Jews have united objectives
>Jews have more experience

The only advantage the Arabs had were well-trained Jordanian troops. If you want to see a miracle, check out 1973.
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>>571643
This is actually true about the Jordan army
While they still were held back by the King British Influence helped mordernise it while Egypt and Syria adopted shitty Soviet
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Here's an interesting article on the topic of poor Arab military organisation.

http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars
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>>571829

>held back by the King

Fuck off, republican scum. Name a better functioning Arab republic.
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>>571858
I have read this few times over the years.

I think if hit and run tactics come back into play with some sort of exoskeleton maybe Eastern Armies will matter again.
Like its a technology equivalent of a horse acher.
Leadership is still fucked though
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>>571888

>leadership is still fucked though

Tell that to Issam Zahreddine. Lots of Arab armies have a decent officer corps.
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>>571905
I hope they plan on working together instead of keeping all their secrets to themselves.
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>>571918

>arabs
>working together

Why do you think the eternal Anglo introduced the nation-state to the region?
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>>571328
Jews are just superior masterrace
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>>571328
The 34 dead american soldiers should give you a hint as to how it happened.
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>>571474
Shiiite Iraq
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>>571328
Science. The Israelis had the most up to date equipment, in particular their air force and radar.

An analogy might be a video game where one side is allowed sniper rifles and the other isn't.
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>>571443
>That's why their occupation of Gaza, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights are completely illegal.
Israel's attacks on June 5th only targeted Egyptian targets, while Jordanian and Syrian forces (occupying the West Bank and Golan Heights, respectively) were the ones attacking. Only on June 7th did Israel attack Jordanian forces in the west bank and only after June 9th were the Golan Heights attacked. As such these three territories were gained from unambiguous warfare.

Funnily enough, you failed to mention the one territory whose occupation was illegal, the Sinai Peninsula, which was taken from Egypt with its attack on June 5th. This was, however, returned in the 70s.
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>>571443
Nasser was blockading Israel. It's a classical casus belli if there were one.
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>>571544
JI IDF DF is not a meme, because IDF is hardcore as fuck. You can argue all you want about the morality of Israel's actions but their ruthless efficiency is nonetheless commendable.
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>>572031

Then the Gaza attacks against Israel are also justified, since they're being blockaded?
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>>572014

So Syria and Jordan helped out their Egyptian ally who was under attack?
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>>572100
yes and so Israel shelling the shit out of them for doing so
kikes may be untrustworthy little buggers but even they can be in the right
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>>571474
Get that hideous shit away from me, I'm not giving away Assyria to gypsy mountain niggers from Iran.
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They had the power of YHWH with them.
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God damned, jews and that satanic god they have... Theyre really not human.
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1. Surprise everyone by making a preemptive strike
2. Destroy pretty much the entire arabian airforce in the first few hours of the war by bombing the shit out of their air bases
3. Defeat the relatively small garrison located in gaza
4. Roll over the entire sinai peninsula in tanks, egyptian reserves fallback to the nearest defensible line which is the suez canal
5. Egyptians dig in on the suez canal, so just turn your entire army around and attack the area around Jerusalem (which was under siege this entire time)
6. Defeat Jordanian forces in Jerusalem, capturing the city
7. Entire Jordanian army goes "oh ok then bye!" and fully retreats out of the West Bank with barely any resistance
8. Jordanians dig in on the jordan river, so just turn your entire army around and attack Syria
9. Make small but meaningful advances in the golan heights for the last two days of the war
10. ??????
11. Sign ceasefire, profit

There was nothing miraculous or even extraordinary about the Six Day War. It was just a simple display of very competent generaling. At no point were Israeli forces outnumbered by the enemy, and more often than not they were able to surround the arabs and utterly destroy them with almost unchallenged air superiority.
The fact that neither Egypt or Jordan were particularly interested in the territories they were losing (Sinai is a desert, Gaza and the West Bank were occupied not even 20 years before the war) explains the very weak resistance and the fact they practically gave up on Sinai and the West Bank a day or two after being attacked. The heaviest actual fighting occurred in Syria, since it was the only country fighting on grounds it considered part of its "core".
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>>571884
Tunisia
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Just a friendly reminder that in 2006 Israel got BTFO by Hezbollah.

>outnumbered
>outteched
>no navy
>no air force
>still win

Hezbollah is the best paramilitary group in the world. The tactics, strategies and intelligence of these fighters is great.

It left Israeli commanders baffled and humiliated.
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>>571378
Israeli military was more unified and efficient
The Arab military organization is terrible to the point of being counter productive and even self destructive
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