The only real problem with religion isn't even a problem with religion itself but rather a problem with human beings and their inability to be subjective, cosmopotilan creatures.
"It's different therefore I must kill it" and "They have more than I do therefore I must kill them" have been human traits since we were even human. Religion, in the hands of people who are this debased, will always end badly.
Depends on what kind of religion you're talking about, I resent the dumping of all religious traditions in one category. Something being a religion doesn't make its worldview justified, nor does something being a religion make it unreasonable.
The desperation of anatomists for corpses led to graverobbery, back in the day.
But I guess really big one should the atomic freaking bomb. I'm not saying it was science's goal to create a weapon that killed millions of people but I am saying that scientists worked on it every step of the way, with the full knowledge that it would be used against someone.
In my view, the history of ideas demonstrates that no matter how good the idea is, some retard will get it wrong or wilfully misinterpret it in a self serving way. Once ideas are out there, they take on a life of their own. Even blatantly made up religious ideas like scientology have demonstrate this.
It's literally like watching the evolution of a memetic virus. A mind virus that adapts to its hosts and is spread orally or via literature.
>>569410 >>569492 >>569525 True, but religion is definitely the perfect tool to maniplulate groups of people and slaughter others and think that they are doing the right thing at the same time. Without religion, how could anyone achieve that?
>>569573 Actually, I'm taking part in an argument, where I have to defend religion, so I came here to see your reasons. The topic of the argument is the sentance "religion does more harm that good" and I have to argue against it.
Since it benefited them... absolutely. They saw it as removing cancer from their homeland. Jews, gypsies, the poor, the homosexual were all seen as a drain on their society and a pockmark on the skin of their fatherland and needed to be dealt with. Nationalism is a crazy fucking thing.
>>569552 >Without religion, how could anyone achieve that? Any sort of ideology of any kind. Or even without that, it's suprisingly easy to make regular people literally torture and kill other people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment >>569577 Yes.
>>569622 If it is the point i think that pragmaticaly speaking religion should be a peacemaker and i am not the one to make any comparisions cuz i dont have any unit in which i can present depair/hapinnes causeb by religion
>>569629 if you go on that line of thought, then you get an retarded junction where either any social movement that turns bad is a religion, so we need to destroy any ideology, or religion can't be tied to anything, since it's tied to political circumstances.
Religion is a thing which makes you believe in better tommorow, it makes promises happier times everything beyond that is a side effect of following rules which try to make your world a brighter place. Therefore it makes peace for you as a concious being. Even better when it helps you help ppl around you.
>>569668 >Religion is a thing which makes you believe in better tommorow, it makes promises happier times everything beyond that is a side effect of following rules which try to make your world a brighter place. So everything from science to democracy to economic freedom to secular humanism?
>>569696 Nah, just amking an addnotation to my previous post. Religious belief is based on something more than experimental experience and senses, even in some cases overcoming logic. You dont make illogical politic views, just false assumptions. Religion reaches deeper into you than politics.
It's hard to imagine a world without religions and how they orient people.
People tend to think that religions are a top-down dissemination of beliefs in some effort to control or manipulate the population. In reality religions convey sources of meaning which people are innately wired into their physiques from everyday experiences. There's a reason why Adam and Eve has the elements it does, a talking serpent, a tree of knowledge, the banishment from paradise. These elements are archetypal representations of facets of human experience. They're collective to the betterment of the society, there's a reason why these things exist. Without them, without a shared source of meaning the world gets a lot smaller and more personal.
I don't think this would be a good thing. Religions have a great capacity to bring groups of people together in peace, they also have the capacity of brutal conflict for members outside the religion. It's almost impossible to foresee a world WITHOUT religions effect of bringing people together, i think it could have potentially more been unimaginably brutal compared to what actually happened.
The people who argue against religion do it a great disservice. Christianities "search for the truth" in the scriptures produced a more and more "rational" and "scientific" Europe as a result. This unrelenting, unrestrained search for "god's truth" resulted in the final analysis of god's no-existence(at least for some). Other cultures/religions DIDN'T have the same goal of uncovering the truth at any cost.
>>571772 >Religions have a great capacity to bring groups of people together in peace, they also have the capacity of brutal conflict for members outside the religion. It's almost impossible to foresee a world WITHOUT religions effect of bringing people together, i think it could have potentially more been unimaginably brutal compared to what actually happened. Yeah all those militant western humanist atheists sure are a big problem in the world right now, how can it ever work out.
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