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How can we know that trees don't feel any pain when we cut off their branches?
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>>562321
Stemfag answer is that they have no central nervous system to translate the stimuli into pain.
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>>562321
They have no centralized nervous system that collects that sensory information
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Define pain
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>>562321
They have no sentience, so cannot feel anything.
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>>562321
We can't know anything.
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>>562335
Get out DeCartes
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>>562321

They do feel pain due to morphic resonance.

Morphic resonance has been scientifically proved btw and is a fact, unlike Darwinism which is based on a claim that if you open a jar of peanut butter then worms should come out.
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>>562328
>>562330
But this is how animals work. Plants don't need a nervous system at all.
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>>562340
>unlike Darwinism which is based on a claim that if you open a jar of peanut butter then worms should come out

huh?
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>>562340
>Morphic resonance
>Proven

hahahahah

It would be awesome if it were true, but >>>/x/ pls
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>>562321
>How can we know
Hume.
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>>562337
But Descartes said we could know that we existed because we thought, he specifically is famous for counter-arguing the thought of the time that nothing is knowable.
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>>562340
>darwinism
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why would they? the whole evolutionary point of "pain" is to be a signal to move away from the source of the pain. plants can't do that anyways.
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>>562321
There is some signals when plants get cut or infected, for defensive purpose. I don't know if you can call it pain.
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not like it matters, even if it were discovered that plantlife had a pain response that wouldn't stop anyone from giving up one of the world's most important resources
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>>562345
...exactly. So your question is answered then?
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>>562653
pain is primarily a signal of distress or harm in a sufficiently advanced organism. plants do feel pain, as well as "listen" to sounds and feel through touch. don't be a simpleton, there is more to this than your presumptions.
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>>562331
life
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>>565270
>plants do feel pain
source?
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>>565287

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/12/23/the-intelligent-plant
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>>562331
How do you know that you know the true meaning of the word define?
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>>565383
What is meaning?
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>>565383
>>565412

itt: mental infants
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>>565439
Go read some Derrida bullshit and leave us alone.
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>>562340
telepathy type interaction between organisations

what the fuck is this shit? what does morphic resonance even mean? is it literally /x/ mixed with science?
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>>562321
We use models to make predictions about the world, both intentionally and intuitively.
Sapience and sentience are models which we create intuitively through introspection and theory of mind, for the purpose of making predictions about behavior.
We apply the models of sentience to all animals and sapience to some because it helps us make predictions about their complex behavior. We do this intuitively as a way to understand and control our world, like a evolutionary adaptation.
Trees do not have the complex behavior that results from a connectivist computational architecture like a nervous system. Instead their "behavior" can currently be accurately predicted with chemical and physical models. So the efficient but inaccurate models of sapience and sentience need never be applied to trees. Note that before accurate chemical or physical models existed, people were far more inclined to attribute souls to some plants. Therefore, barring the influence of spirituality, there is no impetus for us to assume that trees possess sapience or sentience. Without this impetus almost no one will share the intuition that trees feel pain, so the question of whether or not they do feel pain will be forever pushed to the fringes of philosophical thought.
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worst thread of 2016. not even kidding
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>>568233
Especially given the publications on plant neurobiology and perception.
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>you need a nervous system in order to gather sensory information
what is plant perception
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>note that plants follow the sun throughout the day
>note that leaves are the things that sense this
>note that trees are covered in basic light sensing structures
Can trees see us?
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>>566976
>Trees do not have the complex behavior that results from a connectivist computational architecture like a nervous system.

Plants excrete scents when being eaten by caterpillars that cause a particular type of fly to come and eat the caterpillar but not the plant.

Vegtables have been said to scream "When a leaf or stem is sliced, the plant signals pain by releasing the gas ethylene over its entire surface." This is indicative that the plant is indeed a biological connection center and when one part of the plant is harmed, just like humans, the rest of the plant must react. The lack of a nervous system is not proof that a plant cannot feel pain.
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