What is the difference between a patriot and a nationalist?
> By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.
Sort of pulling it out of my ass, but patriot is proud of/likes their own country, while nationalist is more, pic related.
Patriotism is generally associated with love for a country or the way of life the country provides you
Nationalism is more deep-seated in its connotation. associating with loyalty more than love or appreciation, a devotion to an institution that represents a people-group, and a desire to improve the status of the people represented by it.
Patriotism-I love my country
nationalism-I love my people, I want to see us improve our standing in the world.
NATIONALISM IS FAITH IN THE NATION, PATRIOTISM IS FAITH IN THE COUNTRY.
THE NATION CONSISTS IN THE TOTAL COMPRISING A PEOPLE'S CULTURAL, AND ETHICAL, VALUES, AND ITS COLLECTIVE IDEALS.
THE COUNTRY CONSISTS IN THE TOTAL COMPRISING THE STATE ITSELF, THE GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEM, AND THE SOCIAL, AND CIVIC, MORES; THE BODY POLITIC.
my country is full of proud patriots just protecting the innocents and our way of life. Your country is full of dangerous nationalists that seek to spread their insane value system and repress and silence those who question it.
Patriotism is devotion to a country, and its way of life and system.
Nationalism is devotion to one's ethnicity and culture.
Like why other posters above nationalism is usually seen as negative, but I think patriotism right now is manifest in spreading dangerous ideology and could be counteracted by a good dose of nationalism.
Patriotism is the motivation to serve your country. What constitutes your nation or country may or may not include ethnicity, culture, values, religion or otherwise. It almost always includes the large number of people who are considered part of the country.
Nationalism is the belief your country has certain rights. What constitutes its rights may or may not include the right to not be subject to other countries or the right to possess other countries or contested territory.
You should be wary of modern biases such as those promoted by liberals hysterical over racism who may insist that patriotism and nationalism is always about ethnicity or that it is about feeling unwarranted pride.
>The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.
This is just a normative statement. In what way did a Czech nationalist in the 19th century want more power? How did a Zionist nationalist erase his own individuality? Nonsense.
Orwell is a dumbfuck then. Patriotism is about country, nationalism is about an (ethnic) nation, it's as simple as that, no need to load the words with emotional horseshit.
You can be a Basque and a French patriot at the same time.
On the other hand, you can be a Basque nationalist even though there is no Basque country at the moment.
>Czech nationalism in the 19th century
>wanting to weaken the Slovaks
Full retard. You're thinking of Czechoslovakism which really gained traction outside of academia only in early 20th century.
Nothing. It's just a meaningless distinction for people not wanting to associate with the "bad" part of the ideology.
Kinda similar to "blacks and niggers are not the same thing" or "fags and gays are not the same thing."
France is a particular case when patriotism evolved into nationalism (Occitans, Normans etc molded into a "French nation").
Anglo countries? English or Scottish nationalism is not the same as British patriotism. As a matter of fact, the patriotism/nationalism division could be well observed during the Scottish independence referendum.
Not really, no.
A Slovak living in 19th century Hungary could be a Hungarian patriot even if he wasn't ethnically Magyar. However if he wanted an ethnic Slovak state, he'd be a Slovak nationalist.
>What is the difference between a patriot and a nationalist?
"Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first."
Charles de Gaulle
Patriotism revolves more around loyalty to your state.
Nationalism revolves around the concept of nationhood and more abstract ideas like ethnicity, language, history, religion etc.
If you were for instance a German patriot this would imply you like the BRD whereas a German nationalist may not.
nation and country are not synonymous.
I really don't understand why so many here have trouble understand what a 'nation' is. It is quite simply and literally the imagined totality of people 'like you'. Typically speaking the same language, but may be complicated by factors such as geography, religion, skin colour, class, etc. It is then used to justify a certain border boundary, but this may be as much externally imposed as internally or 'organically' developed.
Patriotism just refers to loving your country and/or people.
Nationalism is an actual ideology/worldview that sees the world as being divided into nations (like how communists see the world divided into classes) and holds that the nation (a single people, ethnic group) should be the basis of statehood. Nationalism doesn't translate into hate, only retards think that.
>nationalism is about an (ethnic) nation
Nationalism, which is a wide and varying ideology, at the base level is the belief that every culture, race or linguistic group should have their own nation.
Nationalism is often confused with imperialism, mainly due to Hitler, because imperialism and nationalism co-existed. For example: The belief that a race is superior is imperialism, not nationalism.
Nationalism gets a bad rap because nationalism having a bad name benefits larger nations, such as China, the U.S and the EU and because of Hitler.
I seriously do not know why Hitler is called a nationalist. He believed in a pseudo-race that doesn't even exist and rewarded allies by making them "honorary aryans". Hitler was more of an imperialist with a slight patriotism.
No. It often did, but not 'always'. You can easily find examples of multi-ethnic states coalescing under a banner of nationalism, right up the birth of nationalism in the 18th century.
France wasn't always France, but Pays d'Oc, Pays d'oïl, Bretagne, etc. What we today would call 'regionalism', was in earlier times simply an organic expression of smaller-scale sense of belonging ('nationalism' if you want to apply it retroactively).
Ethnicity can also be an ambiguous term.
Patriotism is love for a country.
Nationalism is love and pride for your nation, which is usually your country but more specifically it means along ethnic lines.
For example, a French patriot could be an ethnic Frenchman or an ethnic German, but they both live in France and love their country.
A French nationalist would be someone who is proud of being ethnic French, and usually but not necessarily proud of being a French citizen.
Nothing i said was wrong. You most likely are an american, whose only experience with nationalism is some loaded book about Hitler.
Which is why I then clarified "upon ethnic lines." Most cultures are of one primary ethnicity.
Great argument, nothing I said was wrong. You're probably a butthurt liberal who honestly believes that niggers building mud and shit huts in Africa should be just as proud as what white people have accomplished.
>about ethnicity or that it is about feeling unwarranted pride.
Okay, but those things have happened and resulted in horrific atrocities.
And language is fluid.
So, what word should we use to describe violent brands of nationalism like in Nazi Germany if not the one that's achieved academic consensus?