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All of our world leaders, atheletes, celebrities, and high class business men have beyond millions of dollars.

Living in a predominately secular age, the world is concerned with scientific and technological advancement.

Yet, you have the lower class struggling, working harder physically, and third-world societies that are starving themselves to their own end.

If the world has all the resources to make everyone equal and help those who are in direct need, why don't they?

The money doesn't even mean anything, send these guys food and support, tools and homes, why can't we accomplish this?

If there is only one life to life according to popular secular belief, what use it is sitting in luxury with millions of dollars telling Mexicans to pay for their border which is "our" idea, while we clearly have all the money we can ask for and do it ourself?

This predominat secular society is going to bring about its own destruction.
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You're right OP, you're the only one on the planet who has everything figured out and it's totally a shame that you don't get all the Nobel prizes and Superbowls
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That's why we need Islam, inshallah
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>If the world has all the resources to make everyone equal and help those who are in direct need, why don't they?

Because they don't and you can't and you shouldn't. Attempts to do so are the biggest source of evil in our age.
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>>559881
What do you think is more important? Helping a third world country with a surplus of money or building a new and improved atomic bomb?

With all the money we supposedly owe China, it is amazing how much we pay football players.

>>559886
I like religion, but using religion to spread peace doesn't always work out, like the Christian inquisition, it isn't a religious thing to do, but through religious imperialism they take away the credibility of God's message.

One of the many faults of mankind.
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>>559899
What is evil about sending out surplus resources?

Nothing.

The average American wastes more food than they consume, spends more money on things that they don't need, and all these "new employment" opportunities are going to people who have degrees and opportunities to go to college, and not the average low class citizen who needs a job and can't get one because they lack credentials.
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>>559900


The 'christian inquisition' worked as intended and was one of the best things the catholics ever came up with.

Any ideological system without an inquisition will inevitably undergo degenerative memetic mutation through mobocracy.

If some illiterate confused rabble accuses me of 'heresy' because Bob is mad I ran the table on him at poker night and wants to get back at me, I'd much prefer if someone who could actually read scripture stepped in to actually give a fair trial.
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OP this might shock you but inequality and self-serving elites aren't a product of modern secular age, they've been with us since people walked out of caves

seriously stop romanticizing past, it's cancer
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>>559925
The Catholics only lost their credibility of being the people who should have been representing the teachings of Jesus. That is what inquisition means, they were looking out for their own welfare and not looking out for God in anyway
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>>559910
What is evil is sending good money after bad. Breeding evil is evil.

If we spent treasure on frivolous shit like giant casinos in the middle of a desert wasteland, that would still be preferable to actively subsidizing deleterious dynamics, it is at least a non negative outcome.
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>>559934
It does matter that back then, it was the same situation, but not doing anything about it is "cancer", that is submission to higher class citizens who are no better than you, me, or someone starving right now with no possession of luxury, but because they have more money, they are seen as "great"
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>>559940
That's why you don't send money to bad people or invest in a casino, both serve useless.

The goal should be helping the needy people who could use the surplus resources of those who have them, and waste them.
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>>559944
it's called hierarchy, look it up

And today's system isn't as half as bad as it was in the past, in fact you have much higher chances of living at least decent life today (not being super-extra rich, mind you) than ever before
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>>559956
The people who are at the top of this hierarchy don't care for anybody, why should they be at the top?
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Because that's not how economics work.

The same thing could be said about people who think war is pissing away money.
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>>559850
Are you stupid?
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>>559948
Here's the good news my man, that rhetoric like 'helping needy people' is precisely the sort of feelgoodisms that so often lead to the proliferation of man shaped refuse, so you don't need to worry about it any more!
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>>559962
Because they have the means to be at the top
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>the rich take all their money and then teleport away on spaceships

t. keynesian economics
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>>559966
War is a huge waste of money when the war doesn't mean anything.

The world wants to horde all its economical sustainability for themselves selfishly, and all the wealth they keep and all the material advancement they have serves fruitless when they die, and they let all these other people die in the mean time, because they were too busy wasting money going to Mars and sending out political ad campaigns.
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>>559986


I think spending resources on a space program is a lot more important than spending resources sending bags of rice to niggers in africa.
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>>559986
>War is a huge waste of money
True in most cases, but war is also where the resources, riches and resources beckon, so that takes care of that

Nobody sane fights a war just because they feel like it, but because they want to gain something in that war
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>>559971
What makes you ask?

>>559977
It's a good thing to take note of, "helping the needy" is my lack of education term for "there are people dying right now meanwhile America uses that money instead to go to Mars mannn"

>>559981
They have bad intentions and don't care for their people.

Trump might be at top, and he is a racist and hates Muslims, that is not someone who is qualified to even be running for president.

>>559985
Seriously. "Hey guys let's spend all this money on a nuke"
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>>559995
fugg sorry for writing resources twice, i'm tired as fuck
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>>559994
Not really.

That's actually a big problem. "We need to see if aliens live on Mars so yeah let's blow a few billion dollars" when someone who could use ten dollars is without anything to the point of starvation and disease.

The world doesn't actually care about anybody.

>>559995
>gain
What more could we ask for?
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>>559996
Argument over guys he's got it all figured out nothing to see here.
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You are a machine.
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I don't think the OP understands what secularism means.
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>>560009
Just saying, "technological advancement" means nothing when you are concerned with making bombs and not even attempting to help lower class citizens.

>>560021
Beep-bop

>>560022
This is what a secular society does. It doesn't teach any fundamentals for self realization or any conception of God, which makes sense considering the butthurt factor of parents, but this society that bases it's "truths" off scientific methods and "objective atheism" can change its data even after a discovery is stated as the "truth"
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>>560004


Yes really.

One is on the path of civilization, the other is the path of a global dirt farm, stuck in time. You'll never run out of nignogs or other untermenschen to feed. If you try, there will always be more asking next time, only now even more will be starving and suffering, because youve artificially inflated the carrying capacity beyond what they are capable of. Until you are ready and able to judge better from worse, you will never be able to draw that line, you'll just keep going all the way into oblivion. You'll have to decide to stop somewhere.

I have no respect for autists who think having the mentality of a cockroach is the height of morality, people who think the path to holiness is a mere numbers game of the maximal amount of human(ish) things living possible.

Disgusting.
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>>560054
Ok?

Just saying, we don't need the billions of dollars to go to Mars mannn you can get high for under ten dollars today.

The people who could use our surplus resources aren't getting them because the top class is hording everything.
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>>559996
>All the natural and human resources paid to make the nuke get onto spaceships and move to space ships
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>>560050
>This is what a secular society does. It doesn't teach any fundamentals for self realization or any conception of God, which makes sense considering the butthurt factor of parents, but this society that bases it's "truths" off scientific methods and "objective atheism" can change its data even after a discovery is stated as the "truth"

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I live in a society with little to no religion, and I have no problem with self-realization.

Just because it's not your specific flavor of self-realization doesn't mean there's no self-realization going on
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>>560095
This isn't the point of the thread though.

A secular-humanist society that doesn't actually care for the world (atomic warfare) or people (starving, death by disease)

The secular society doesn't mind bringing down how many people live on Earth because it's "easier" for them.
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>>560106

Right, because there was no war, disease or starvation before the 18th century. All of those were invented in France, by Robespierre probably

Give me a fucking break
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nice bait OP, i'm actually impressed
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>>560115
Also this doesn't have to do with history.

Present day. Right now. We need solutions, a remedy for the world that is currently falling apart and or on the path to its own destruction.
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>>560106
I reiterate. You don't know what secular means.
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>>560120
You can capitalize OP but not the first letter to your sentence?
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>>559850
Pol Pot saw the world as you describe. He fixed Cambodia. He fixed it real good.
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>>560128
In a world that has no basis for any spiritual principles, and cares for its scientific advancement, this is the by-product of this "objective truth" that science and atheism tends to claim itself to be.
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>>560130
yes
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>>559850
Because communism doesnt work, you daft cunt
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>>559994
This desu
>ooga booga
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>>560138
>trying to prove that he knows the meaning of secular by implying it is synonymous with atheism and science
lol
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>>560155
The government should not hold anything in its own possession.

There needs to be a way to cultivate for all beings without the control of communism or the conspiracy of capitalism.

Never read too much into communism though
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>>559994
Africa really needs a better banking system. Ideally Africa will grow until it can have it's own space program.
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>>560164
They tie in together pretty decently.
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>>560168
It doesn't need a space program, they need food and water, stuff we throw away and take extra long hot showers...

But America is too busy making $ and spending money$$ so people like Tom Brady and Jay-Z can be rich, but we owe China all this money.

It's a false reality, and people are too busy listening to music and watching football to even think for a second. I know it's a radical opinion
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>>560171
>allowing multiple religious sects to coexist under the law is tantamount to atheism
You are an idiot. Make a point of learning before developing opinions and sharing them.
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>>560180
Humanity needs space programs. Africa is full of humans.
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Why does everyone imagine starving niggers when they think of Africa? They're really not that bad.
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>>560187
>your greentext didn't say anything I mentioned this whole thread
>try making a point to learning before you come on here with your opinions on a board that let's you posts your opinions on history and humanity

Just saying this predominately secular society has a huge hole in itself
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>>560189
We don't "need" a space program.

America and Russia were like two little kids fighting over who gets the front seat.

>>560194
It is a strange example, but all third world countries could use the resources we take for granted.
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>>560075


>because the top class is hording everything.

There are far worse things those resources could be doing. There are worse things those resources *are* doing.

Did you know that, for instance, in 1949 the population of Africa was around 200 million, while today it is over a *billion*, a nearly *quintuple* increase in *hardly half a century*? Such a thing is unprecedented in all human history!

All the choking violence, the starvation, the wars over rapidly shrinking living space, rapidly shrinking resources. Its all because of people like you, people who are not being good, but rather are LARPing as a good person, mouthing easy pieties and engaging in moral posturing to show other people how much holier they are than them, not realizing the implications of what they say, the damage and consequences the things they preach have (because all values are implicit teleologies).

Know this man, righteousness is *not* a numbers game, if you truly wish to be good, you need to realize that there is no easy deontological rule you can hide behind to do your thinking for you, no system level 'hack' that will let you completely escape from having to do object level judgment, from ultimately having to judge better from worse, *including people*.
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>>560200
But they have shitload of resources themselves?
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>>560201
wut?

>>560205
I mean the places that don't have them, and the lower class who could use them.

Again, how much money does America owe China? How much money is the average football star make? How much money do you make?
>Hey I work pretty hard

And yet the people on top, with all this "money" gotta go to Mars mannn toke it up blaze it 420 billion dollars later.... that's all just something to think about.

I'm not an expert or some fucking 4chan scholar who has all these terms to throw out there, I just feel it's important to spread this message.

The rudeness isn't directed towards you either
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>>560205


What Africans really need is not European resources, but European rule. Colonialism was the best thing that ever happened to them.
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>>560219
>wut?

You're stupid.
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>>560221

No nations rules any nation, and no man rules men. By "law" of the world, sure, but this law has been flawed forever.
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>>560224
I just didn't feel like reading it.

Like why use a thousands words when you can use ten?
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>>560226


Dont you follow the news? Africans and Arabs are voting with their feet, they flee from their own kind and are desperate to be ruled by Europeans again.
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>>560233
That's unfortunate.
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>>560228
>Like why use a thousands words when you can use ten?

You're stupid.
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>>560239


Its entirely reasonable, for them.

It would of course be a lot less messy to bring the rule to them than bring them to the rule, which tends to create a great many, how to say, 'negative externalities'.
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>>560240
See now that's something I can read.

You're point is simple in that post.

It isn't a giant paragraph about a bunch of stuff that *tries* to *convince* the point by trying to point out hypothetical scenarios that kind of mean something in a sense don't get me wrong every opinion has its *value* but you have to realize what this actually looks like when you just want to have a simple discussion you know no offense but call me *stupid* isn't going to change my opinion on how I view the world, big deal get to the point anon, like why are you typing so many words in such a small block of information okay like use a few words that makes sense you wanna prove your point it works out nicely of course sometimes you have to use *alot* of words and I get that but if you really don't *have* to then why do you you know just chill out and relax man its all good
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>>560258
How can you have the presumption of starting a philosophical discussion when you are ignorant even of the things that describe yourself and your position? You literally know not what you do. There is a minimum standard to actually have a conversation on a topic like this and you're below it. We can not communicate with each other so this discussion is pointless.
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>>560325
No I just really could read what you wrote
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>>560336
Stick to taking orders and don't worry about shit, your life will become much better.
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>>560350
See that's the problem.

The people are too busy "taking orders" and are not taking initiative.

It's obvious the higher upper class isn't worthy of being where they are
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