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How did Hitler get so much power if he was only a corporal? I know he got the Iron Cross. Was that a big deal? Did that impress people or was it not that important?
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>>556255

1st; That's Himmler (in Der Untergang), not Hitler.

2nd; He was a natural at organization, oration and leadership. His political acumen was unmatched. This allowed him to become the leader of the nazi party.

His status as merely a Corporal was belittled by Prussian commanders later, during the actual war. By that, to late - He was their Führer.
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>>556313
>He was a natural at organization
He was a natural at playing organisational games. His own organisational capacity was poor, largely due to his game playing.
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>>556255
Junkers.
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>>557376
>He was a natural at playing organisational games.

I've heard him described as a natural at organization. If you say otherwise, that's a differing opinion. The result is the same so let's not split hairs
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>>558032
If you want to find out about his organisational capacity look at his decision to fragment administration of major civil and military functions so as to be able to play segments against each other.

Compare and contrast Stalin who played individuals against each other but maintained organisational unity of action.
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He was among the first celebrity politicians.

Ironically he took full advantage of the democracy thrust upon Germany. His fiery insane speeches, use of cinema and other forms of media, his aesthetics which appeal to /pol/tards even today, he put a lot of effort into this because it was so crucial to his success. Goebbels is little different from PR consultants today. He had an advantage over some crust old general the ruling classes would put forward for election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHs2coAzLJ8
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crusty*
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>>556255
>How did Hitler get so much power if he was only a corporal?

He became a martyr after his protest was shut down violently and he was sent to jail, and his notes got edited into a book. Nobody read the book, but people saw that this brave soldier, gassed in the war, who was a high person, doing art and writing, and who was willing to get jailed for his beliefs, etc etc.

Basically he was just what right wing extremist leaders are now, except the government made the mistake of crucifying him first, and letting him walk after.
We could easily get another Hitler if a modern government makes the same mistake during some anti-immigration protest.
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>>558128
/thread
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>>556255
He was one of the best orators in world's history and created an alternative to communism. Workers in Germany wanted better work conditions, but were mostly nationalists, therefore national socialism was the best choice for them.
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>>556255
>he was only a corporal
Military rank is completely irrelevant when gaining political power.
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>>558180
His protest was an attempt to overthrow the government.
Not just a protest.
It was a Putsch that was kind of halfassedly coordinated that ended up getting shut down by the government.
He would have been jailed for five years except he got out after not even a year had passed.

He also had the advantage of being able to push a betrayal narrative (Dolchstoßlegende, Novemberverbrecher, etc) the whole time and capitalize on remaining german nationalism and disbelief at the german loss during WW1.
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>>558265
The betrayal thing wasnt his, it was one of the two fat german generals from WWI that was pushing that.
If anything, Hitler crushed him in popular opinion and elections, so clearly it wasnt just the betrayal thing. I still feel it was his martyrdom being played out for all its worth.
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>>558273
Ludendorf?
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>>558190
>one of the best orators in world's history

Ehm no
he was twitchy and crazy looking, he hade zeal yes but thats about it, Goebbels played a bigger part in hitlers rise to power then hitlers speaking skills
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>>558303

What nonsense. His personal charisma and oration skills are well documented.
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>>558335
>What nonsense. His personal charisma and oration skills are well documented.

He talked like a bumpkin. Göbels' speaking in contrast was urban and slick.

Imagine a West Virginian yokel becoming president.
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>>558062
I disagree for the simple fact that Hitler was the biggest contributing factor to the nazi parties' rise. His organizational skills and oration made this happen. This is not a controversial topic.
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He was a rad lad.

>In his gangster hat and trenchcoat over his dinner jacket, touting a pistol and carrying as usual his dog-whip, he cut a bizarre figure in the salons of Munich’s upper-crust. But his very eccentricity of dress and exaggerated mannerisms – the affected excessive politeness of one aware of his social inferiority – saw him lionized by condescending hosts and fellow-guests. His social awkwardness and uncertainty, often covered by either silence or tendency to monologues, but at the same time the consciousness of his public success that one could read in his face, made him an oddity, affording him curiosity value among the patronizing cultured and well-to-do pillars of the establishment.113 ‘Weak but wanting to be hard, half-educated wishing to be an all-rounder (universell), a Bohemian who had to be a soldier if he wanted to impress true soldiers. A man mistrustful towards himself and what he was capable of (seine Möglichkeiten), and so full of inferiority-complex towards all who were anything or were on the way to outflank him… He was never a gentleman, even later in evening dress,’ was how one contemporary, the Freikorps leader Gerhard Roßbach, described Hitler around this time.
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>>558446
Goebbels was surely a better orator, but Hitler was almost as good and had natural talent and charisma
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>>558128
Hitler's speeches are amazing, would have voted for him if I were a German in 30's.
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>>558637

>in his fedora and trenchcoat

Fixed.
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>>558691
>and had natural talent

he was trained extensivly to be the public speaker he was

>and charisma

i would call that zeal
he honestly seams like a lunatic when ever you watch one of his speaches
but i will say it worked excellently along with the propaganda wich was feed to the german people at the same time
the whole "nazi culture" was tailored to whip up war fervour, the big military parades, almost temple like buildings where speaches and ceremonies where held

>all that marching in orderly fashion
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>>557511
you are retarded

Junker = Prussian aristocracy
Hitler = Bavarian socialist

The Krupps loved him tho, he met with them before being appoint chancellor
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>>558896
Oh the Krupps! Writing a paper on them at the moment. Insane family story.
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>>558691
Goebbels was not better. There wouldn't have been a National Socialist party if it wasn't for Hitler's oratory. Goebbels was late on the scene; Hitler had already made a name for himself. With the language, cultural, and time disparity we have now, it's hard to explain how good he really was. He united an entire nation. Goebbels certainly didn't do that.
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>>558446
>He talked like a bumpkin. Göbels' speaking in contrast was urban and slick.

The energy that Hitler put off was what made him so good. It's not about calmly elucidating your point. It's about filling the crowd with emotion and making them emote the way you want them to. Hitler was a master of the crowd. It's hard to describe even, but look at the crowds when you watch a speech of his: they hang on to his every word.
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>>560273
>but look at the crowds when you watch a speech of his: they hang on to his every word.
H-how do I achieve that?
>tfw everyone ignores me when I talk
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>>558526
You're an idiot. You are repeating meme-tier cliches about a topic you don't know anything about.
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he was a politician, not a military commander
/thread
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>>556255
Hitler was basically half a retard as far as I am concerned, but then again, maybe I´m half a retard.
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>>560586
So how did he do it then? If he was bad at everything, retarded, had one ball, etc. why did people follow him? How many people came from a middle class background and acquired that much power? Are you saying he got lucky for his entire rise to power and then all of his political successes?

He was quite obviously extremely talented and intelligent. You don't need the whole world to gang up on someone incompetent. You wouldn't even know his name if he wasn't a genius. The idiots fizzle out somewhere along the way.
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>>556255
Because he was in fact a very good leader.

He was exactly what Germany need at the time.

Now, don't get me wrong, he was a horrible human being, but he definitely made the German people believe in Germany.

Not only that, but he also fulfilled all of his election promises. How many politicians can you say do that nowadays?
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>>560617
Because people are racist and desperate and live off of primal instincts and emotions. their economy was in shambles and their dignity reduced by WWI and they would have clung on any one who would give them hope and some pride in their world status as a nation.
Imagine a fat girl being told she's beautiful for the first time by some guy, she's gonna cling onto him.
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>>560682
The problem with this is that the playing field was even—or skewed against Hitler, if you want to be realistic. If anyone could have done what he did, why didn't they, and why don't they now? There were people with much higher status, many more resources, etc. competing for office, yet he won. Why?

You are going with the "one little trick" meme. If it was that easy it would happen all the time. It obviously doesn't. He outclassed all of the politicians of his day and you know it. Like some cripple, drunkard, or puppet is going to hold a candle to political genius.
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>>560772
Not that anon, but he won because he offered the German people what they wanted, and the crucial part is that he actually delivered!

Let's see:
Promise 1. "My party will dismantle the Treaty of Versailles"-fulfilled.

Promise 2. "My party will turn the economy around and eliminate employment"-fulfilled, even if it was short-term.

Promise 3. "My party will regain all the territory Imperial Germany had"-fulfilled by 1939.

He also massively decreased crime rates in Germany.
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>>560890
*eliminate unemployment, not employment.
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>>560890
Even short term, unemployment was never eliminated, the statistics were just altered.

>"My party will regain all the territory Imperial Germany had"-fulfilled by 1939.
Oh wow. Do you live in some fucking alternative timeline where the Germans acquired Alsace-Lorraine, Schleiswigg, and Eupen-Malmedy? What about Cameroon, Tanzania, Rwanda, Burundi, Namibia, etc.?
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>>560772
He preyed on the nations antisemitism, and exploited the "us vs them" dichotomy that other people were less inclined to emphasize. The higher up you are the more likely you are to try an compromise which when the country wants change is less appealing to the common man. Promise of change is important here as it also was with Obama's victory and trumps current competitiveness.
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>>561006
>He preyed on the nations antisemitism

Vastly, vastly overstated. The anti-Semites of Germany were seen as the /pol/ of their day. They were not taken seriously, and you were considered a loon for believing it, just like today.

Hitler basically convinced the masses by force of emotion and the intellectuals by reason. The intellectual community was very scared to be seen as anti-Semitic prior to Hitler. It was completely off limits in many ways. He changed that. Things that were crazy conspiracy theories (like our modern day 9/11) turned out to have a lot of rational facts backing them up. He had intelligent people committed to him, as well as the masses. Fortunately everyone on /his/ is more intelligent than the top-tier of German intellectuals (no, you're really not).
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>>558828
Much of the things he talked about carried a lot of emotion with the German people, so it's not surprising that hurler delivered his speeches in the same manner
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>>556255
>I know he got the Iron Cross. Was that a big deal? Did that impress people or was it not that important?
Anyone ?
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>>562982
Well it depends tbqh senpai. Surely it was one of highest medals a non-officer could achieve in the imperial german army and it was immensly popular because it was awarded without regard to social status. On the other side hitler was a simple soldier and in the early weimar republic the reputation he gained from an iron cross was outclassed by the status of high officers or generals. For his 1923 Putsch attempt he was reliant on General Ludendorff for example. The iron cross still helped him to establish his narrative of a common man bravely fighting for germany which he continued with his failed putsch attempt and the following trial ( hence his book is named mein kampf). So the iron cross sure helped him but wasn´t overly important in the political playfield because a lot of the political players in the weimar republic had more gravitas in the military field. Last but not least it was the little cabale of aristocracy and military brass around Reichspräsident Hindenburg that tried to subdue Hitler by appointing him as chancellor that enabled his rise to absolute power.
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>>563182
>tried to subdue Hitler by appointing him as chancellor
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>>563230
Previous Chancellors under Hindenburg failed in the office and weren´t able to form stable governments. The rationale of the cabale around Hindenburg was that Hitler would also fail and take a massive popularity drop or that they could influence him because Hitler was still dependent on Hindenburg who had the real power in the presidential system of the weimar republic ( but he was already way to old and dependent on his advisors to be a counter weight to hitler even in the short time he was still alive, it is even discussed). After Hindenburgs Death Hitler had already secured most important positions in the weimar republic for NSDAP members ( for example prime minister of prussia) and was by far the most prominent figure on the right. So naturally he took the powers of Hindenburg after his death and was able to rally the right and center behind him by force and the narrative of a communist threat ( the reichstagsbrand was a lucky coincidence or a masterful conspiracy dependent on which historian you ask). The leadership of social democrats and the communists were quickly destroyed so that noone was able to put up a meaningful resistance. Most of the people were tired of the republic anyways and were quickly ready to accept the new order after hitler achieved his first political successes ( even a lot of former communists joined the movement, the ranks of the SA swelled with former communists after 33).
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>>560637
>tfw Hitler was the Donald Trump of Weimar Germany
It all fits
>Charismatic
>Make Germany great again
>Fuck sensibilities
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>>562982
Only first class, second class had 5,196,000 awards, was pretty common really being the medal anyone could achieve regardless of rank
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>>563583
>second class had 5,196,000 awards
Christ, did they just give it to every soldier in some battalions?
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>>556313
>His status as merely a Corporal was belittled by Prussian commanders later
Can I get some reading material on this?
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