Most Jews were self declared enemies of the state. This pissed em off. The army took them to concentration camps as prisoners of war for their anti German leanings, but they didn't know they were being slaughtered.
They knew they were being moved out of Germany but it's unlikely many were aware of anything else. Many assumed they were communists or other degenerates. I remember a quote from a wealthy Jewish woman stating that she believed it was only the poor and criminal Jews being moved and arrested.
>>555832 I dont think it was hidden as much as later generations assumed.
Over the course of a Decade and a half of social exclusion, ghettoing, expulsion and banishment and the abject denial of citizenry rights, that occurred overtly, and in public the Jewish populations of Germany and the future 'lebansraum' territories categorically failed to ascertain just how important it was to ethnic Germans that they leave.
After virtually a decade of dehumanization and marginalization, a "final" solution was resorted to. Centuries if not Millennia worth of generations of Jews called for their ethnic homeland to be restored, their own desired holy home, central to their faith. Germany was instrumental in establishing this place "Israel".
This place, "Israel" was created for them at the expense of literally the entire stability of the middle east., this was not a good enough or even desirable solution for many of them. historically, the jews are fundamentally incapable of forming an ethnic statehood or governance policy. The average jew has no concept of "nationalism" or "statehood", but rather an allegience to their "people" as a wandering ethnic group with no home. They prefer this. They prefer to be a marginalized ethnic group, separate from, BUT equal to, the people of whatever nation they occupy
this is why Israel is an apartheid failure that literally destabilized a region, then a culture (created radical islam) and then later global economics.
>>556999 Wasted trips. >implying a Bolshivik government run by a bunch of Jews would have been better than this so called "ineffective and corrupt monarchy" >g-good goy >we were trying to help! Yes, turned out so good for Russia and Russians and Ukrainians and Khazikstanies right?
>>555832 Obviously most knew that they were being "deported" and wouldn't be seen again. It's all up in the air how many knew they were being killed or not. But remember this is a people that were having neighbors being "deported" for being communists, gay, subversive etc. Frankly most probably didn't care as long as the state left them and theirs alone. Police states will do that, kind of like how the average north korean doesn't want to think about what happens to the guy down the block caught with a bible, better not to think about it and keep your head down.
A surprising number of German Jews thought the anti semitic policies (obviously pre being rounded up) were directed against and meant for those strange eastern Jews with their filthy habits and archaic dress. Not them because after all their Germans that just happen to be Jews.
>>556987 Nice post, but a few things I disagree with. Jews didn't create "Radical Islam" Mohammed did. Secondly Jews do not see themselves as seperate but equal. They see themselves as the only true humans on earth. In Hebrew to be "human" means to be in the image of god. And Jews believe themselves to be the race created in the image of god.
Rabbi Ovadia Yosef famously quoted "The life of 10,000 gentiles is not worth a single Jewish fingernail".
And when he died almost 1 million Jews went to his funeral, the largest in Israel's history.
>>555832 They were thinking that for the first time in the jews sordid history of lies, swindling and, instigating of moral filth on another host nation that kindly gave them shelter, they were actually performing an honest days work.
Most "knew" nothing but everyone suspected something.
There were hundreds and thousands of rumpurs sippering back to the cities from soldiers on leave and travelling merchants.
It is considered an open secret. People also knew that being jewish would get you in serious trouble and that the government ran an anti-semitic policy. Jews were banned from libraries, universities, courts and little by little excluded from public life. Lots of apartments were left vacant after jewish were expulled from them and taken away. Everyone knew this.
Read Richard Evans books on the Third Reich or Victor Klemperers (a jew) published diaries for more info.
>>557769 >Jews didn't create "Radical Islam" Mohammed did you could argue that it was pretty radical back during the wars of conquest but during the golden age of Arabic culture, Islam was way more peaceful and progressive than it is now
>>559084 >>559084 >Lebanon, Jordan, Tunisia and Bosnia are all examples of more progressive forms of Islam. I've met too many violent conservative lebanese to believe that. And every Bosnian I've ever met has been salty af about Christians, even the ones training with our military.
I've met a shit ton of really nice people from Jordan and Tunisia though.
>>555865 This is off topic but sees this a lot so i got to ask. When did =/= become 'not equal to'. I mean, it kind of looks like the not equal to symbol, but why don't people use '!=' as most programming-languages do? Or '~='. Am i the only one that think '=/=' looks stupid and confusing?
They didn't think the concentration camps were hell on earth, but just prisons whiches inmates were treated worse than usual. Officially the jews were prisoners and not on death row just for being jews. They were held in protective custody, since there was no other legal basis -being Jewish wasn't illegal.
At some point it was clear that communists and illegal artists might sometimes be released, just like in a normal prison while no jew ever returned from there. After all they knew that the jews were killed, but noone imagined an industrialized genocide.
>>555832 It depends. What part of WW2 are we talking about?
During the midst of WW2, Germans were really just trying to save themselves. Simply, they didn't have enough time or strength to try to save the Jews. Some didn't know. Those who did think something was afoot, had no strength.
However, it was very obvious something was afoot. Not just with Jews, but with other Germans. People would mysteriously disappear in the night, presumably taken to be executed by the SS. Rare works of art by Rembrandt, Da Vinci, Donatello, and Durer would be taken by train away from the museums.
However, before WW2 really kicked off, as another anon said, most did not give a damn, as most did not see them to be members of the state.
>>555832 according to my great grandfather alot of people knew something was up, over 1/3rd of the country didnt want hitler to rule. But the general he said she said prevented alot of things from being accepted as truths. (theyre just saying that because they hate hitler!)
communication wasnt as direct as it is today either.
and alot of things were exegeratted by american/russia propoganda. For example it was commonly said theyd fling babys and small children into the air at worker camps and shoot em to train their shooting skills.
While alot of nazi soldiers were just average Joe's wanting to support their families or forced to fight, they had nothing to do with ideals and all that stuff
>>555909 I've often thought about this. What does it mean to "know"? I do not approve of my country torturing people, and technically I don't know for sure that they do. I'm certainly not campaigning for them to stop torturing people (if they are) even though I strongly disapprove in theory, I just have too much other stuff to do with my time. Nevertheless, there is enough evidence to suggest that my government is torturing people that if in the future it was known for a fact that they were, I would have a hard time demonstrating that I was truly ignorant of what was going on. I know, but I do not know for sure. I disapprove, but not enough to start a revolution.
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