yes, because hundreds of years of historical research is just thrown down the drain because one historian claims they don't exist.
that's not how it works, lay off. berserkers existed, the only thing in doubt is wether they got their rage from shrooms or something else (as testing with shrooms have proven to be... not that effective)
>Although the 23rd Headquarters Special Troops consisted of only 1,100 soldiers, the contingent used equipment pioneered by British forces such as dummy tanks and artillery, fake aircraft and giant speakers broadcasting the sounds of men and artillery to make the Germans think it was upwards of a two-division 30,000 man force. The unit's elaborate ruses helped deflect German units from the locations of larger allied combat units.
>>552811 Hmm.. There were several berserkers at the battle of stamford bridge:
>"Harald's army flew the banner at the Battle of Stamford Bridge, where it was carried by a warrior named Frírek. After Harald was struck by an arrow and killed, his army fought fiercely for possession of the banner, and some of them went berserk in their frenzy to secure the flag. In the end the "magic" of the banner failed, and the bulk of the Norwegian army was slaughtered, with only a few escaping to their ships."
"Berserk" is something you do more than something you are, same with "Viking", they are verbs often misinterpreted as nouns.
>>555701 Berserkers did exist but not in the capacity you think.
Think about this logically, an entire regiment of uncontrollable absolute madmen lost in fury. Do you think thats logically and logistically sound to have? A sound roman formation would dispel any such attack.
Im in my phone right now so i cant access my handy database but berserkers existed as the champion of kings. They are well fed and well respected and in return they serve as the kings bodyguard and fought his duels.
>>556265 to be fair it's possible a low-ish mushroom dose could help you in battle because it heightens serotonin which can make you more alert and time dilation would be a massive aid Obviously if you're tripping balls you'd be no good at all though
so much that they served as villains in the sagas and they were considered to be brutish and stupid they also abused the dueling system to the point of berserkgang being outlawed in Iceland thanks to them
>>555469 those were just ordinary warriors making last stand in full rage, that's not unheard or even uncommon in any warrior culture. some specific troop type that got super powers from their ancestral gods and went to war wearing nothing but furs and tripping balls on shrooms killing anything on sight didn't exist. that's just retarded myth.
>>558469 There's more than one single instance or mention of Berserk in the sagas and chronicles to dismiss it out of hand like that. There's more than that to it. I agree that going berserk probably wasn't unique to the vikings or their culture (or even Germanic culture) but it was obviously very important in their martial society.
There is a book called simply "The Vikings" by Elle Roesdahl that goes into further details on the berserkers. I also recommend "Vikingarnas Stridskonst" by Lars Magnar Enokssen, tho I have no idea if it's been translated to other languages.
>>558500 >but it was obviously very important in their martial society or maybe it was so weird and uncommon for them that it needed pointing out? every single people, even today, has men who go frenzy rage in really stressful situations. there's nothing special in it.
>>554631 >>552643 >>552531 But there is nothing about berserkers that proves their existence in a considerable extent. The name means bear shirt, and AFAIK the very idea of naked dude in battle comes from misinterpreting 'bear shirt' as 'bare shirt'. There is absolutely no use in shield wall warfare for frenzied (unarmored) madmen not being able not to charge the enemy constantly. Also, when you are in an actual battle, you are already quite fucking angry without drugs. You can go berserk any time with an unaltered psyche. If impairing your senses and ability to think somewhat sensibly for a bit of added aggression and pain tolerance was a good idea other armies would have kept doing it all the time. >inb4 ISIS synthetic drug
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