>>549116 I gotta agree, never has a society produced so many professional and content soldiers. Not only are they not forced into conscription but are culturally conditioned into believing being a soldier is the only way they can fit into society. It's like well adjusted organically produced crusaders
>>549274 >If the knights got their asses handed to them, its because they were used wrong No, it means that cavalry charges swansong was the gendarmes, they had no superiority, and their relevance was waning. I love knights, but infantry came to dominate the late medieval/early renaissance battlefield. The Burgundians and the Austrians are just two of the most notable examples, and no they weren't 'used wrong', Austrian knights fought in pike formation in Sempach, but rode in heavy armor for most of the hot day, and they were absolutely trashed when they fought against the Swiss in heavy armor.
>>549384 Yes and no. The steppe is a hodgepodge breeding ground of numerous lineages. You'll have often a red haired mongol and a blonde turk in the same tribe, it's a bizarre phenomenon. Let's say that they are merely identical in terms of nomadic, horse-bound lifestyle. Also they excel at rape.
>>549256 LOL comparing the Russian empire to contemporary ottomans While it's true that Russia had never been a major naval power it's army at the time was still arguably the greatest in the world More notable then a "warrior culture" was the speed of Japanese development But I guess we would have to determine how to evaluate what it means to have a warrior culture then find who most fits that description
If the determining factor is how much of a society is dedicated to war then it's obviously one of the nomadic societies If it's military accomplishments then it's up for grabs If it's military power then it's obviously US/USSR
>>549474 I don't think so even Sparta put much more value in culture, trade, and diplomacy were as some nomadic tribes literally just rode around raiding and skirmishing everyone they encountered. It's just not a fair comparison. By being sedentary you are forcing your culture to compromise with your neighbors.
>>549484 You realize the huns and turks and other nomads were also heavily into diplomacy? At various times they forced the romans to pay tribute or sometimes the romans would use them as mercenaries. They also had treaties and sometimes alliances, so its bullshit to say nomadic tribes werent into diplomacy.
"Warrior Culture" is an irrelevant concept invented by aristocrats for dick measuring contests. The true decider of wars are factors such as logistics, tactics, strategy, and industrial capacity more than any "warrior mentality". The Mongols conquered most of Eurasia because they had good commanders and calvary tactics that their enemies did not have the proper resources to use themselves. Rome conquered the Mediterranean world because they had a high-tech and relatively for the time industrial society that could outfit and organize massive amounts of troops. None of this had to do with them being "great warriors" both met plenty of societies like that and crushed them.
Funny thing about the Russo-Japanese war; Even tho Russia lost ALL battles, they were still winning the war. The Japanese had all but drained their resources by the end of it and would have had to sue for peace if Roosevelt had not intervened on their part.
>>549064 America >wears shoes indoors, so they can also start marching again, a symbol of their campaigning nature >meanspirited, dumb television shows with unlikable people, designed to lessen the lower ranks empathy and ability to question order. >weapon glorification and worship >neurotic, aggressive culture and politicians >refers to family members and random strangers in the same way as military commanders >often raised to do well in the military Even just ignoring the actual, statistical fact of their armies, military institutions and military budget, america is the very essence of the fictional warrior nation cliche.
>>549951 Never underestimate a desperate man, these people were fleeing their death at the hands of the Huns, fought their way all across Europe from the Caucasus to North Africa, Sacked Rome, and established the progenitor states of the modern age.
>>549162 >culturally conditioned This pleb. Soldiers aren't conditioned or indoctrinated. >muh conspiracy observations Soldiers sign up because it's a way to defend what they hold dear, if they don't do it no one else will. The freeman is the hardest fighter there ever was and will be. This has proven true time and again and is a testament to America.
>>549587 All of that arose out of a warrior spirit, a willingness to overcome obstacles. Everything you said is the warrior spirit incarnate. You're probably one of those morons who thinks that warrior spirit is some mysticism that brutes refer too.
It is logistics, tactics, tech, ideology, willingness to fight, courage, strength, intelligence, charisma, spirit, knowledge, endurance, determination.
>>550023 American entertainment is noticably dumber than other western media. I'm not saying that other countries don't produce stupid schlock, but it's literally the huge quantity of stupid programs coming from american that has started the "americans are stupid brainless idiots" stereotype. American politics are definitely more neurotic than in my country. And no, there's no military culture most places. No one calls random people or their fathers "sir" or equivalents(or any honorifics at all) in other western countries, or if so, they are a strict minority. No one is raised for military or military culture, there are no military schools. >>550017 Humorous exaggeration.
>>550004 >but it didn't dominate their culture because everybody was a warrior. it was seen that normal that nobody really gave a shit. vikings were just so awesome they didn't even bother to mention how awesome they were.
>>550483 >"Other city-states were reluctant to attack Sparta even though it could muster a force of only about 8000 Spartiates during the zenith of its dominance, such was the reputation of its soldiers." >Sparta never had a wall
"Stranger passing by, tell the Lakedaimonians Here we lie, having obeyed their orders."
>>550482 you implied that only small number of norse were technically viking. that's true, but that doesn't mean that they weren't warriors. every single free man in society was expected to carry a weapon and, if necessary, use it. being a farmer doesn't mean that you aren't a warrior.
>>550501 Being capable of fighting doesn't make you a warrior, in my eyes that implies profession. And military training was a norm of many, many cultures of the time, it didn't define Scandinavia at all.
>>550045 Bullshit, All people have a "willingness to overcome obstacles" it's a universal human trait, it's how the species fucking survives. and logistics is certainly not a part of "warrior culture" the United States going into both the world wars was by no means a "warrior culture" yet it had amazing industrial capacity and logistical abilities created for non war situations that trounced the oh so vaunted Prussian/German military tradition. America fielded a bunch of farmhands and factory workers in those wars who had no kind of militarized or warrior mentality drive beforehand. Hell until WWII America was noted for keeping a crappy skeleton of a military that it was often suspicious of keeping and developed it's society in economic directions. If the things you say are a warrior mentality then fucking every human on the planet fits that list when resources allow. That's the real decider resources. All humans can figure these things out quickly if the materials are there to use them.
>Croatians >niggas had special forces in the 14th century, that acted as a SWAT and spying team >they had a large portion of land called "Warland" where their armies were stationed and indoctrinated into perfect soldiers >protected Europe from the Ottomans for a long time >Ottomans literally couldn't, in their vast numbers, fuck them over and gave their rulers free reign just for free passage into Europe >Croatians said no for the next 300 years
>“In strife and conflict I besieged [and] conquered the city. I felled 3,000 of their fighting men with the sword … I captured many troops alive: I cut off of some their arms [and] hands; I cut off of others their noses, ears, [and] extremities. I gouged out the eyes of many troops. I made one pile of the living [and] one of heads. I hung their heads on trees around the city.”
>“I felled 50 of their fighting men with the sword, burnt 200 captives from them, [and] defeated in a battle on the plain 332 troops. … With their blood I dyed the mountain red like red wool, [and] the rest of them the ravines [and] torrents of the mountain swallowed. I carried off captives [and] possessions from them. I cut off the heads of their fighters [and] built [therewith] a tower before their city. I burnt their adolescent boys [and] girls.”
>“I flayed as many nobles as had rebelled against me [and] draped their skins over the pile [of corpses]; some I spread out within the pile, some I erected on stakes upon the pile … I flayed many right through my land [and] draped their skins over the walls.”
>>552985 well after the initial novelty of 300 (let's face it this movie is one of the main reasons why they are shilled altough I liked them even before) they pretty much became the ''vanilla'' warrior culture
>>550551 The helots would have been shit armed and poor fighters at best. The Spartans had a number of foreigners living in their land that had a sort of second-class "citizenship" as well as the Perioikoi, which would form the majority of their military.
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