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What nation and or empire had the greatest "warrior culture"
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>>549064
I don't think any nation or empire comes close to tribes in which every adult male is expected to kill people in war time or during raids etc
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The United States of America.
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>>549064
Nations and empires have armies and soldiers, not warriors.
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>3 posts
>still haven't given the only correct answer
Japanese warrior culture, folded over 1000 times. Destroyer of weak gaijin.
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>>549145
> never won a war against a relevant foreign power

Australia has a better track record.
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>>549116
I gotta agree, never has a society produced so many professional and content soldiers. Not only are they not forced into conscription but are culturally conditioned into believing being a soldier is the only way they can fit into society. It's like well adjusted organically produced crusaders
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>>549064
I know this is cliché. Spartans.
or the Black-Chinese of the Qin dynasty under the rule of natively-African; Ying Zheng.
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>>549153
Emus

All the Australians ever did was act as cannon fodder for the British Empire.
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>>549153
> never won a war against a relevant foreign power
Literally has nothing to do with the OP.
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>>549153
They beat russia once i think
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>>549064
Normans
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>>549179
They absolutely devastated Russia.
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Are you referring to which society was most militarized, as in the Spartans, or which society hosted a great warrior tradition, like literally ever civilization at one time or another?
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either a classical era empire or china had the most discipline mixed with brutality
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>>549193
>>549179
> relevant foreign power
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Spartans

Sikh culture has lasted longer than most warrior traditions.

Chinese and Japanese warlords had militarized states for quite some time too

Nazis?
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Vikings easily
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Nobody even mentions Assyrians?

C'mon, /his/.

They were among the first to practice siege warfare.

Their religion revolved around imperialism.
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Americans don't even realize how much of their culture is a warrior culture. I guess its like expecting a fish to recognize water, they only notice it when it is absent.
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late medieval knights

>almost impenetrable plate
>OP cavalry charge
>basically horse mounted tanks
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>>549207
Russia was absolute a relevant foreign power being one of the largest empires in the world. Are you just pretending to be retarded, my man?
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>>549228

>Americans don't even realize how much of their culture is a warrior culture.

No, America is a massive country composed of many different cultures, there is no single American mono-culture.

Also warrior cultures are impossible to recreate in modernity, only superficially.
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>>549251
>Russia was absolute a relevant foreign power being one of the largest empires in the world
Just like the Ottomans, right?

Russia was a sick man by the time of the Russo-Jap war.
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>>549240
Burgundian and Austrian late medieval knights got their asses handed to them by the Swiss. Who make a better example for this thread.
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>>549256
>Russia was a sick man by the time of the Russo-Jap war.
Doesn't make it an irrelevant foreign power.
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>>549258
Theres a counter to everything m80. If the knights got their asses handed to them, its because they were used wrong
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as far as proper warrior societies go:
Mongols
Turks
Japanese (under shoguns and imperial rule)
Samurai code of honor was derived from Chinese feudal states
Assyrians
Sikhs
Spartans
Nazi Germany
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>>549276
oh yeah, and Prussia
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ITT: People who don't understand the difference between warrior and soldier
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>>549274
>If the knights got their asses handed to them, its because they were used wrong
No, it means that cavalry charges swansong was the gendarmes, they had no superiority, and their relevance was waning. I love knights, but infantry came to dominate the late medieval/early renaissance battlefield. The Burgundians and the Austrians are just two of the most notable examples, and no they weren't 'used wrong', Austrian knights fought in pike formation in Sempach, but rode in heavy armor for most of the hot day, and they were absolutely trashed when they fought against the Swiss in heavy armor.
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>>549278
Prussian militarism is the best
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Huns, Mongols, Scythians, Xiongnu, Magyars, Bulgars, Turks, Arabs and any nomadic tribe you can think of.
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Hindus have had a warrior caste for some millenia now
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>>549255
America is separate cultures the same way Germany is.

Not at all.
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>>549163
WE WUZ QIN
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what about Aztecs

they believed if they didn't sacrifice hundreds of people constantly the sun would stop rising

that's probably conducive to a lot of warfare
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>>549359

Doesn't matter what you think academic studies and reality proves you wrong.
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Huns maybe
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>>549064
Japan
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are Huns, Scythians, Turks and Mongols similar races?
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Carthage
Fuck Rome
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>>549371
Pleas,e post these academic studies showing that Americans do not have a shared culture.
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>>549064
mongols
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>>549064
Swiss.
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>>549385
>Carthage
>Literal greedy merchant culture

>>549384
Yes and no. The steppe is a hodgepodge breeding ground of numerous lineages. You'll have often a red haired mongol and a blonde turk in the same tribe, it's a bizarre phenomenon. Let's say that they are merely identical in terms of nomadic, horse-bound lifestyle. Also they excel at rape.
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>>549412

Never said anything about not having a shared culture I said there was no such thing as a mono-culture, now you're backpedaling.
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>>549179
>taking pride in beating the Russian Navy

That's like punching out a toddler. It might feel good but it was never a fair fight.
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>>549256
LOL comparing the Russian empire to contemporary ottomans
While it's true that Russia had never been a major naval power it's army at the time was still arguably the greatest in the world
More notable then a "warrior culture" was the speed of Japanese development
But I guess we would have to determine how to evaluate what it means to have a warrior culture then find who most fits that description
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>>549162
Ehh half of America loves its soldiers and the other half call them baby killers. Depends on where you're raised.
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Obs them
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Disappointed I wasn't the first to post it, but Prussia was fucking great.
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>>549438
And it is considering the state of Japan only 20 or even 10 years earlier
But I don't think that can at all be attributed to a "warrior culture"
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>>549453
Pretty much. As I understand it Bushido had become more and more ceremonial as Japan modernized and adopted European military customs.
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>>549064
seriously, the Swiss.
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If the determining factor is how much of a society is dedicated to war then it's obviously one of the nomadic societies
If it's military accomplishments then it's up for grabs
If it's military power then it's obviously US/USSR
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>>549466
>posting a ceremonial meme guard
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>>549469
>obviously one of the nomadic societies
Not necessarily. Could also be a militarized state like sparta
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>>549474
I don't think so even Sparta put much more value in culture, trade, and diplomacy were as some nomadic tribes literally just rode around raiding and skirmishing everyone they encountered.
It's just not a fair comparison. By being sedentary you are forcing your culture to compromise with your neighbors.
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>>549484
You realize the huns and turks and other nomads were also heavily into diplomacy? At various times they forced the romans to pay tribute or sometimes the romans would use them as mercenaries. They also had treaties and sometimes alliances, so its bullshit to say nomadic tribes werent into diplomacy.
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America is not a warrior culture. The idea is laughable.
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>>549484
You don't know anything about nomads. Please stop.
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Spartans take the cake, they took everything into consideration in producing a warrior society and nothing else, a warrior society in the truest sense moreover, to the point of being a fault.

There were others from all over the world but it's sort of hard to contest Spartans here.
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"Warrior Culture" is an irrelevant concept invented by aristocrats for dick measuring contests. The true decider of wars are factors such as logistics, tactics, strategy, and industrial capacity more than any "warrior mentality". The Mongols conquered most of Eurasia because they had good commanders and calvary tactics that their enemies did not have the proper resources to use themselves. Rome conquered the Mediterranean world because they had a high-tech and relatively for the time industrial society that could outfit and organize massive amounts of troops. None of this had to do with them being "great warriors" both met plenty of societies like that and crushed them.
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>>549064
Europeans from 1700-1950s

No questions asked. Those were some bloody as fucking wars, and millions marched into them without asking questions

Shout outs go to the other nations, like the Indians, Chinese etc who also participated in such bloody warfare during that time

Hell, just anyone in that time period going to war
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>prussia
>3 results
>mfw
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>>549637
Persia and Assyria were more impressive.
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>>549641
t. mudskin
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>>549587
Fucking thank god thier is someone else who gets this
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Surely it must be the European knighthood from 800-1500.
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>>549664
I like knights too
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>>549587
>doubting elan
>doubting seishin and bushido

get out filthy heretic
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theres no doubt the answer is the mongols
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>>549261
nor does it make it strong
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>>549693
>First day on the Somme.
>Surely our élan will allow us to frontally charge entrenched machine guns and modern artillery!
>Half a million dead for no gain.
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Any of the great participators in the Migration Period: The Goths, the Vandals, Alans and Franks, The Angles and Saxons and of course, The Huns.

Never was there a greater mass migration of peoples in Europe, and each tribe that fled the Huns fought it's way across Europe as the Roman Empire burned around them.
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>>549179
>>549193

Funny thing about the Russo-Japanese war; Even tho Russia lost ALL battles, they were still winning the war. The Japanese had all but drained their resources by the end of it and would have had to sue for peace if Roosevelt had not intervened on their part.
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>>549741

>Running away from the Huns fro decades.
>greatest warrior culture

Yeah no.
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>>549064
America
>wears shoes indoors, so they can also start marching again, a symbol of their campaigning nature
>meanspirited, dumb television shows with unlikable people, designed to lessen the lower ranks empathy and ability to question order.
>weapon glorification and worship
>neurotic, aggressive culture and politicians
>refers to family members and random strangers in the same way as military commanders
>often raised to do well in the military
Even just ignoring the actual, statistical fact of their armies, military institutions and military budget, america is the very essence of the fictional warrior nation cliche.
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vikings
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>>549999
how? nordics weren't particularly a warrior culture. They had warriors, but it didn't dominate their culture, if anything, poetry did.
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>>549664
>>549683
absolutely disgusting

>get invited by christian nations
>try to steal lands from them
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>>549967

You have a very distorted, delusional view of what life is like here. This is coming from a Texan, who going by your vision must be in constant war preparation.
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>>549951
Never underestimate a desperate man, these people were fleeing their death at the hands of the Huns, fought their way all across Europe from the Caucasus to North Africa, Sacked Rome, and established the progenitor states of the modern age.
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>>549967
Besides the weapon worship and shoes indoors (what the fuck) that will apply to the majority of western cultures.
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>>549162
>culturally conditioned
This pleb.
Soldiers aren't conditioned or indoctrinated.
>muh conspiracy observations
Soldiers sign up because it's a way to defend what they hold dear, if they don't do it no one else will.
The freeman is the hardest fighter there ever was and will be.
This has proven true time and again and is a testament to America.
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>>549587
All of that arose out of a warrior spirit, a willingness to overcome obstacles.
Everything you said is the warrior spirit incarnate.
You're probably one of those morons who thinks that warrior spirit is some mysticism that brutes refer too.

It is logistics, tactics, tech, ideology, willingness to fight, courage, strength, intelligence, charisma, spirit, knowledge, endurance, determination.

Such is the Warriors culture.
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>>550023
American entertainment is noticably dumber than other western media. I'm not saying that other countries don't produce stupid schlock, but it's literally the huge quantity of stupid programs coming from american that has started the "americans are stupid brainless idiots" stereotype.
American politics are definitely more neurotic than in my country.
And no, there's no military culture most places. No one calls random people or their fathers "sir" or equivalents(or any honorifics at all) in other western countries, or if so, they are a strict minority. No one is raised for military or military culture, there are no military schools.
>>550017
Humorous exaggeration.
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>>549368

I would give my left nut to travel back in time and see the pre-hispanic meso-American world first-hand.
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>>550023
>shoes indoors applies to the majority of western cultures.

Nobody else does this besides americans. It's very prevalent in TV because TV mostly comes from america, but I can assure you that this is a purely american thing.
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>>550004
>but it didn't dominate their culture
because everybody was a warrior. it was seen that normal that nobody really gave a shit. vikings were just so awesome they didn't even bother to mention how awesome they were.
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>>550331
>tfw that's the birth of the Tleilaxu
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>>550357
>because everybody was a warrior
no, the vast minority was a warrior, and those that were were only warriors for a few years.
"vikings" were mostly farmers.
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>>550423
>implying that every warrior in the whole scandinavia went viking
that's pretty much like saying that you weren't a soldier in WW2 if you didn't participate in normandy
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>>550460
I think you'll find that I didn't imply anything of the sort. Pretty much the exact opposite, really.
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There is no other correct answer but this. They had Helot slaves work the fields and dedicated their entire life and their entire state to the practice of war.
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>>550483
They didn't have culture and they weren't a nation. They were just barbarian degenerates in desperate need of Athenian guidance.
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>>550483
>"Other city-states were reluctant to attack Sparta even though it could muster a force of only about 8000 Spartiates during the zenith of its dominance, such was the reputation of its soldiers."
>Sparta never had a wall

"Stranger passing by, tell the Lakedaimonians
Here we lie, having obeyed their orders."
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>>550482
you implied that only small number of norse were technically viking. that's true, but that doesn't mean that they weren't warriors. every single free man in society was expected to carry a weapon and, if necessary, use it. being a farmer doesn't mean that you aren't a warrior.
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>>550492
>le arbitrary definiton of nation

get fucked
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>>550501
Being capable of fighting doesn't make you a warrior, in my eyes that implies profession. And military training was a norm of many, many cultures of the time, it didn't define Scandinavia at all.
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>>550498
>even though it could muster a force of only about 8000 Spartiates

they could muster a shitload of helots and from outlying villages (wouldent count as spartans unless they where spartan citizens)

so its more like "they could muster 8000 of some of the best hoplites in the world along with supporting units"
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>>550331

A-a-are those cannons shooting some king of giant seed?
Whats the source on this?
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Illyrians served the meanest (most hardcore empires in the world imo): All from Alexander to the Ottoman Empire, their men were designated warriors.
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>>550025
You are the pleb. Living anywhere where there are people around you is already 'cultural conditioning'. Everyone is culturally conditioned to do something.
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>>550025

Like it or not, he's right, you're just blinded by the cultural indoctrination he is talking about. Call of Duty or Black Hawk Down do not exist just for fun.
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>>549212
Gurkhas
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>>550045
This anon gets it
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>>550045
Bullshit, All people have a "willingness to overcome obstacles" it's a universal human trait, it's how the species fucking survives. and logistics is certainly not a part of "warrior culture" the United States going into both the world wars was by no means a "warrior culture" yet it had amazing industrial capacity and logistical abilities created for non war situations that trounced the oh so vaunted Prussian/German military tradition. America fielded a bunch of farmhands and factory workers in those wars who had no kind of militarized or warrior mentality drive beforehand. Hell until WWII America was noted for keeping a crappy skeleton of a military that it was often suspicious of keeping and developed it's society in economic directions. If the things you say are a warrior mentality then fucking every human on the planet fits that list when resources allow. That's the real decider resources. All humans can figure these things out quickly if the materials are there to use them.
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>Croatians
>niggas had special forces in the 14th century, that acted as a SWAT and spying team
>they had a large portion of land called "Warland" where their armies were stationed and indoctrinated into perfect soldiers
>protected Europe from the Ottomans for a long time
>Ottomans literally couldn't, in their vast numbers, fuck them over and gave their rulers free reign just for free passage into Europe
>Croatians said no for the next 300 years
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>>552379

>Croatians actually believe this

holy kek
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>>552384
I am a Bosnian Albanian but my mother was a Japanese Jew, you inconsiderate fuck.
Also, what's wrong here?
Historical facts.
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>>549131
Legionares considered themselves to be both.
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Mongols didn't even had the word ''warrior'' because every able man was a potential combatant they were the closest we had to Orcs.
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Vikings by far.
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Turks of course.It isn't easy to migrate from central asia to anatolia while fighting with other strong nations.
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>>549153

>Required two nuclear weapons to be dropped on them before surrendering, and even then only grudgingly

Hm.
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>>552518
>Required two nuclear weapons to be dropped on them before surrendering
Surrendering unconditionally. They were prepared to surrender, just not to the terms the US wanted.
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The Arveni
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>>549064
Klingons :3
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>>549220
this.

assyrians were fucking terrifying.

>“In strife and conflict I besieged [and] conquered the city. I felled 3,000 of their fighting
men with the sword … I captured many troops alive: I cut off of some their arms [and]
hands; I cut off of others their noses, ears, [and] extremities. I gouged out the eyes of
many troops. I made one pile of the living [and] one of heads. I hung their heads on trees
around the city.”

>“I felled 50 of their fighting men with the sword, burnt 200 captives from them, [and]
defeated in a battle on the plain 332 troops. … With their blood I dyed the mountain red
like red wool, [and] the rest of them the ravines [and] torrents of the mountain
swallowed. I carried off captives [and] possessions from them. I cut off the heads of their
fighters [and] built [therewith] a tower before their city. I burnt their adolescent boys
[and] girls.”

>“I flayed as many nobles as had rebelled against me [and] draped their skins over the pile
[of corpses]; some I spread out within the pile, some I erected on stakes upon the pile … I
flayed many right through my land [and] draped their skins over the walls.”
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>>549424
>Read the fucking facts
>lol I can't find the facts
> stop backpedaling m8
Holy shit you are such a hypocrite
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>>552873
kings's palace even had engravings showing gruesome deaths

Assyrians sure had some issues
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>>549064
You mean as in having an institutionalized warrior caste?

Probably Sparta though that is something of a cliché nowadays isn't it?
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>>552985
well after the initial novelty of 300 (let's face it this movie is one of the main reasons why they are shilled altough I liked them even before) they pretty much became the ''vanilla'' warrior culture
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>>549913
> Even tho Russia lost ALL battles, they were still winning the war.
That's Russia alright.
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>>550483
Too mainstream for prententious history majors.
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>>550551
The helots would have been shit armed and poor fighters at best. The Spartans had a number of foreigners living in their land that had a sort of second-class "citizenship" as well as the Perioikoi, which would form the majority of their military.
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>>549212
>China
the dynasties considered military men to be barely better than barbarians, a necessary burden.
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>>549064

I'd say Mongols, but they sort of just gave up suddently cira the 18th century.
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>>554010
its definitely mongols

they were pretty much atomic bombs on horseback
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>>552830
Debatable

>>549153
It's about warrior culture not military success.

>>549064
Military or warrior culture?

I feel like they're different.
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