Are we talking by the standards of the day, or overall.
Because needless to say, the current most powerful military is the US military, because nukes, 12 Carrier Battle Groups, overwhelming strategic airlift and strategic sealift capabilities, the world's largest air force, and a bunch of other shit.
Relative to the world at the time? I'd have to give it to the Mongols. They conquered basically everything in between Korea and Hungary. They got stopped from invading India, but one of their descendants, the Mughals, finished that job.
That's not Sweden from Gustav Adolphus to 1709. >best training and discipline in Europe >best swords in human history >kings and generals ten steps ahead of anyone else >pick of the best officers in Europe >using pikes 1/3 pikes 2/3 muskets in 1707 and European kings were still shit scared they would completely sweep them away >took Russia, Poland-Lithuania, Denmark, Prussia and Hannover-England to finally defeat them
Every 8th of May the Russians still have a banging parade around Red Square to celebrate their victory. Meanwhile, Germans are so cucked that the only ones even trying to defend the Wehrmacht are a bunch of fat basement dwellers from other countries.
>>549001 >goal is to annex Finland the way you did with Poland and the Baltics >get raped in a conventional war >w-w-well at least we got Karelia
Russian military history is among the most hilarious in the world for an outside observer.
>go to war with Japan and get raped >actually have to use more troops to put down the rioting after your defeat than you did in the war you got defeated in >mobilize troops to defend Serbia >get raped at Tannenburg >just when the allies are winning, the current government is ousted from power because the dipshit emperor left the capital and let it descend into chaos >lose a war with Poland >beat the shit out of the Japanese, who, to be fair, are even more pathetic than you at this point >make a deal with Nazi Germany to conquer everything in Eastern Europe >kill the entire Polish officer corps because your faggot ruler is still pissed about getting soundly defeated the one time he led troops in battle >blame it on the Germans >lose the aforementioned war with Finland >let Germany stack 3 million troops on your border because your dipshit leader believes Hitler over his own intelligence services >get invaded >OH NOES WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED THIS >despite having the largest military in the world, with the most tanks and planes of any country in the world, get raped >just barely keep them from taking Moscow >receive billions upon billions of dollars of US aid, including the food to keep you from starving, the oil to run your military, the overwhelming majority of your trains and trucks and a substantial portion of your total armored and air capabilities >STALIN IS THE GOODEST LEADER EVER
>>549066 >proceed to use the red army as an occupation force ever since >have to bail out the government of Hungary because nobody fucking likes them >shake your fists impotently at the sky for years because U-2s are flying over your country and you can't do anything about it >when you finally do shoot one down, it's with American Lend-Lease radar, and you still screw up badly enough that you shoot down one of your own fighters in the process >have to bail out the government of Poland because nobody fucking likes them >be so hated in Poland that even after installing your own government there, you have to use the Stasi to conduct operations there because YOUR OWN GUYS won't let the KGB into the country >stick your penis into Afghanistan after communism turns them into a failed state >lose 2000 men A YEAR to a decentralized tribal insurgency >Soviet Union falls apart, again due to inept management >Chechnya tries to declare independence >invade >lose, despite blanketing the country in artillery and air strikes, and killing ten civilians for every one enemy combatant killed >have to reinvade years later >to this day, the only way Russia controls Chechnya is by paying other Chechens to kill the insurgents for them >Kadyrov has publicly said he'll kill any Russian that enters the country without his permission
Military deception based on secrecy was critical in hiding Soviet preparations for the decisive Operation Uranus encirclement in the Battle of Stalingrad. In the historian Paul Adair's view, the successful November 1942 Soviet counter-attack at Stalingrad was the first instance of Stavka's newly discovered confidence in large-scale deception. Proof of the success of the Soviet deception came, Adair notes, from the Chief of the German General Staff, General Zeitzler, who claimed early in November that "The Russians no longer have any reserves worth mentioning and are not capable of launching a large-scale attack." This was two months before the German Sixth Army capitulated. Hitler's own self-deception played into this, as he was unwilling to believe that the Red Army had sufficient reserves of armour and men. Further, the many ineffective Red Army attacks to the north of Stalingrad had unintentionally given the impression that it was unable to launch any substantial attack, let alone a rapid army-scale pincer movement. Careful attention was paid to security, with greatly reduced radio traffic. The Germans failed to detect the creation of five new tank armies. Troop movements were successfully concealed by moving the armies up only at night, and camouflaging them by day on the open, treeless steppes.
To the south of Stalingrad, for the southern arm of the pincer movement, 160,000 men with 550 guns, 430 tanks and 14,000 trucks were ferried across the much larger River Volga, which was beginning to freeze over with dangerous ice floes, entirely at night. Overall, Stavka succeeded in moving a million men, 1000 tanks, 14,000 guns and 1400 aircraft into position without alerting their enemy. Despite the correct appreciation by German air reconnaissance of a major build-up of forces on the River Don, the commander of the 6th Army, Friedrich Paulus took no action. He was caught completely by surprise, failing either to prepare his armour as a mobile reserve with fuel and ammunition, or to move it on the day of the attack. The historian David Glantz considered that the concealment of the scale of the offensive was the Red Army's "greatest achievement".
>be me russias >naturally inclined to shitpost on his because my country is now basically cold saudi-arabia with a decent military
Truth is : Red army was a decent force in late WW2 AFTER 2-3 years of learning german strategies and tactics paid with the blood of countless soviet citizens. You won because you sided with the allies that kept your Industry and logistics running via lend and lease. You could muster the millions of men to adapt german tactics and "won" in the end. In truth the allies used you to exhaust the Wehrmacht (which lost cause of bad political leadership: instead of arming opressed nations like ucraine commence untermensch and the vast underestimation of russian realities regarding geography and population) only to reap the benefits in Overlord while you got shit tier countries in eastern europe. After that you wasted your superpower status by military overexpansion even dwarfing the US by far. Great job, most of the time you recieved the short end for the most ressources invested.
>>548768 Alright, the "not enough guns to go around" meme is just not true. There is a reason why I could buy a nugget for 100 bucks two years ago. Only two years ago even though they have been on the market since the sks and AK platforms were in mass production, Because they had a LOT OF THEM. Stop thinking that enemy at the gates is even close to accurate, it isn't and is actually just a shitty love story with a stalingrad background tacked on.
>>548969 The problem with "rating" modern militaries is that current situation and general public approach to war casualties means that everybody evades fights. Put drone in, bomb the target, sob stories about killed citizens from far-away-place are easier on ears than sob stories about killed soldiers from your own country.
>>549066 Sure Russia and the later Soviet Union did shit in the early 20th century up until the end of WW2.
But that isn't all of Russian military history. There is a reason that Russia was and is the biggest country in the world. Russia has won plenty of wars against other western powers to earn its spot as a great power.
If we're going from amount of land captured by size of starting point, valuable territory gained, and length of empire, I would give it to the Romans. After all, it was more of an internal politics thing that brought them down. Oh yeah, and they were more or less mercenaries, and for mercenaries they did pretty fucking well.
>>554517 actually stalin fully expected germany to break the pact - just not then and there, but some time down the road, and instructed his generals accordingly even at the highest of tensions he got a bit worried and ordered the army to enact defensive plans, but it was too little too late and too disbelieving that the germans would really attack now and not a bit later as he had expected
>>548966 The Mongols where overhyped shit. They 'conquered' plains tribes and Muslim merchants. The only nation they actually defeated worth mentioning was the Chinese but that was due to Chinese incompetence on military matters, they thought their shit wall would save them so there would be no point having a large army. >BUT MUH HORSE ARCHER >BUT MUH BIGGEST CONTINUOUS EMPIRE >BUT MUH GENGHIS PRODIGY
Today, I would say the best military would have to be the US. Simply because of the money that's being pumped into it. They have the most equipment (some of it the best in the world.) and they have the greatest range.
But historically I would have to say almost any step conquerors. >blitzkrieg before blitzkrieg.
>>554583 Those """Muslims Merchants""" were -Turkic Warlords -The Khwarezmian Empire, which who arose from the Steppes similar to the Mongols. Except they went full persianized
And were bretty militarily competent. Albeit they fucked up the Muslim world. > The only nation they actually defeated worth mentioning was the Chinese but that was due to Chinese incompetence on military matters, They were actually fighting a 3 way civil war >they thought their shit wall would save them The great wall wasn't in operation at the time. In fact it wasn't in operation since the T'ang Dynasty in the 700's AD. >so there would be no point having a large army. Both the Song & Jin dynasties had pretty large armies actually
>>551365 All that manpower sure would be useful, if they didn't have to use it to constantly put down internal pesant rebellions. And please remind me how many aircraft carriers and super carries the PRC has?
Anyways OP, the answer is the U.S. Armed forces after America became a super power.
>>554945 He's right though. Preserving the life of soldiers was never a goal for the Russians, all that mattered was winning. This isn't Counterstrike and a K/D ratio doesn't mean anything in the real world.
>>555388 There is no standard. The only thing that mattered was winning.
And I'm not even a Russian / commie / Sovietboo, but this argument is honestly retarded. If Germany is conquered and humiliated and half of it remained under Soviet control for the next 40 years, who really gives a shit how many Soviets died in the process of conquering it? Not them for sure.
>>554933 that is a hypothesis by that one weird crazy russian conspiracy dude (suvarov? something like that) they were not and would not be for years in any shape to mount an actual offensive - as evidenced by the finnish conflict and the terrible outcome (for them) of barbarossa
>>552275 The Russian Empire was a different country from the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics Anon. The Soviets won practically every military engagement with Japan in WW2, scaring them away from even participating in Barbarossa.
That Sweden ever contributed anything of military worth to the world is the worst meme that persists on this board. Gustavus Adolphus "genius" is a myth, Sweden barely participated in any wars outside minor conflicts with Denmark (that they all lost) and the entire Great Northern War was a disaster.
>>559044 Doesn't matter. Americans love to say they won the space race and the Soviets didn't, saying "blame the Soviet politicians" doesn't mean shit to them. It's "we won, they didn't". Now the shoe's on the other foot. Like Vietnam, amirite?
>>559083 So basically you're ignoring historical facts just to push an anti-American narrative, that shit might fly over at /int/ but not here, American and the British army wanted and could take Berlin but they had to follow the terms agreed upon in Yalta.
And I'm not even American in case you want to hit me with an ad hominem.
>>559135 >History belongs to the victor, not the loser who was dumbed down by weak politicians. Why are you even in this board when it's obvious your feelings are getting in the way of objective thinking and you certainly know nothing of history if you claim the western allies did nothing during the war
>dumbed down by weak politicians you seem to forget that modern Russia is in a much worse situation than Europe or America are
inb4 complaints about degeneracy and lost traditions
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