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What is the greatest military to ever exist and why is it pic related??
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>>548712
>Had one of the biggest casualties in WW2
>Human wave tactics
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>>548725
nice meme naziboo
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>>548725
full-on zerg rush >>>>>>>>
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>>548712
>greatest military
>poorly trained mass of soldiers without enough guns to go around
>worst K/D of the war
>would have starved to death and run out of boots if not for American aid
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>>548737
>Truth is memes now
>Calling out China's shit makes you a naziboo
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>>548737
found the russian shill
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In combat? Steppe people, namely Huns and the Mongols, Roman fighters, Greek fighters, Wehrmacht WW2, today probably most countries special forces in smaller skirmishes at least
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Are we talking by the standards of the day, or overall.

Because needless to say, the current most powerful military is the US military, because nukes, 12 Carrier Battle Groups, overwhelming strategic airlift and strategic sealift capabilities, the world's largest air force, and a bunch of other shit.

Relative to the world at the time? I'd have to give it to the Mongols. They conquered basically everything in between Korea and Hungary. They got stopped from invading India, but one of their descendants, the Mughals, finished that job.
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>>548768

Nice memes. I bet the Germans were really going "b-but muh K/D" while getting pounded by Soviet artillery at Seelow.
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It's unquestionably the US military

What a retarded question OP, at least ask one that isn't so obvious
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>>548972
>need constant infusions of grain, oil, trucks, trains, tanks and planes from your hated enemy
>greatest at anything

pls
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>>548972
>implying I think Jerry had the best military
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That's not Sweden from Gustav Adolphus to 1709.
>best training and discipline in Europe
>best swords in human history
>kings and generals ten steps ahead of anyone else
>pick of the best officers in Europe
>using pikes 1/3 pikes 2/3 muskets in 1707 and European kings were still shit scared they would completely sweep them away
>took Russia, Poland-Lithuania, Denmark, Prussia and Hannover-England to finally defeat them

Literally the best ever.
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>>548985

Every 8th of May the Russians still have a banging parade around Red Square to celebrate their victory. Meanwhile, Germans are so cucked that the only ones even trying to defend the Wehrmacht are a bunch of fat basement dwellers from other countries.
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>>548983
>>548969
>muh US military
>Literally afraid of fighting one to one with a bunch of bearded savages.
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>>548987

garbage choice m8
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>>548993
>muh Red Army
>literally unable to conquer a bunch of Scandinavians with Down's syndrome
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>>548999

Finland lost both wars
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>>548993
Same to you, m8 ;^)
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>>548993
Everyone else in the world is piss-afraid to actually provoke the Americans into invading them.

And don't forget that, after the Brits were bloodied there, the Red Army was the next force to lose to "a bunch of bearded savages."
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>>548993
The US alone could shitstomp any coalition formed against it in open battle with pretty much absolute certainty.

How many militaries in history can claim to do the same?
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>>549002
Taliban was pretty based desu. Remember the good old days after 9/11 when the enemies of freedom weren't british teenagers?
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>>548712
>Couldn't even conquer Afghanistan
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>>548712
But muh superior germans killed so many and and muh tiget tonk and and wonderweapon and and human wawe and jeeeewwwwwzzz

Accept naziboos soviets raped your shit country after hitler spreged out for not gwtting into art school

Inb4 naziboos talk about germans fighting against whole world
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>>548993
>Literally afraid of fighting one to one with a bunch of bearded savages.

>fighting one to one
>not realizing this is something every military school of military thought advises against at all times
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>>549001
>goal is to annex Finland the way you did with Poland and the Baltics
>get raped in a conventional war
>w-w-well at least we got Karelia

Russian military history is among the most hilarious in the world for an outside observer.

>go to war with Japan and get raped
>actually have to use more troops to put down the rioting after your defeat than you did in the war you got defeated in
>mobilize troops to defend Serbia
>get raped at Tannenburg
>just when the allies are winning, the current government is ousted from power because the dipshit emperor left the capital and let it descend into chaos
>lose a war with Poland
>beat the shit out of the Japanese, who, to be fair, are even more pathetic than you at this point
>make a deal with Nazi Germany to conquer everything in Eastern Europe
>kill the entire Polish officer corps because your faggot ruler is still pissed about getting soundly defeated the one time he led troops in battle
>blame it on the Germans
>lose the aforementioned war with Finland
>let Germany stack 3 million troops on your border because your dipshit leader believes Hitler over his own intelligence services
>get invaded
>OH NOES WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED THIS
>despite having the largest military in the world, with the most tanks and planes of any country in the world, get raped
>just barely keep them from taking Moscow
>receive billions upon billions of dollars of US aid, including the food to keep you from starving, the oil to run your military, the overwhelming majority of your trains and trucks and a substantial portion of your total armored and air capabilities
>STALIN IS THE GOODEST LEADER EVER

1/2
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>>549066
>proceed to use the red army as an occupation force ever since
>have to bail out the government of Hungary because nobody fucking likes them
>shake your fists impotently at the sky for years because U-2s are flying over your country and you can't do anything about it
>when you finally do shoot one down, it's with American Lend-Lease radar, and you still screw up badly enough that you shoot down one of your own fighters in the process
>have to bail out the government of Poland because nobody fucking likes them
>be so hated in Poland that even after installing your own government there, you have to use the Stasi to conduct operations there because YOUR OWN GUYS won't let the KGB into the country
>stick your penis into Afghanistan after communism turns them into a failed state
>lose 2000 men A YEAR to a decentralized tribal insurgency
>Soviet Union falls apart, again due to inept management
>Chechnya tries to declare independence
>invade
>lose, despite blanketing the country in artillery and air strikes, and killing ten civilians for every one enemy combatant killed
>have to reinvade years later
>to this day, the only way Russia controls Chechnya is by paying other Chechens to kill the insurgents for them
>Kadyrov has publicly said he'll kill any Russian that enters the country without his permission

>MUH BEAR
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>>548994
>m8

I'm super sorry for you that Montgomery couldn't ever take a risk.
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>>548969
>They got stopped from invading India

And by the greatest enemy of all, the weather. Turns out steppe nomads aren't fans of the humid fucking jungle.
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>>548993
so simplistic
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>>549020
Nice rack on that blonde
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>>548725
>>54880
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_deception

Military deception based on secrecy was critical in hiding Soviet preparations for the decisive Operation Uranus encirclement in the Battle of Stalingrad. In the historian Paul Adair's view, the successful November 1942 Soviet counter-attack at Stalingrad was the first instance of Stavka's newly discovered confidence in large-scale deception. Proof of the success of the Soviet deception came, Adair notes, from the Chief of the German General Staff, General Zeitzler, who claimed early in November that "The Russians no longer have any reserves worth mentioning and are not capable of launching a large-scale attack." This was two months before the German Sixth Army capitulated. Hitler's own self-deception played into this, as he was unwilling to believe that the Red Army had sufficient reserves of armour and men. Further, the many ineffective Red Army attacks to the north of Stalingrad had unintentionally given the impression that it was unable to launch any substantial attack, let alone a rapid army-scale pincer movement. Careful attention was paid to security, with greatly reduced radio traffic. The Germans failed to detect the creation of five new tank armies. Troop movements were successfully concealed by moving the armies up only at night, and camouflaging them by day on the open, treeless steppes.
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>>549020
>Rammstein
Fucking kek.

>>549243
This.
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>>549281

To the south of Stalingrad, for the southern arm of the pincer movement, 160,000 men with 550 guns, 430 tanks and 14,000 trucks were ferried across the much larger River Volga, which was beginning to freeze over with dangerous ice floes, entirely at night. Overall, Stavka succeeded in moving a million men, 1000 tanks, 14,000 guns and 1400 aircraft into position without alerting their enemy. Despite the correct appreciation by German air reconnaissance of a major build-up of forces on the River Don, the commander of the 6th Army, Friedrich Paulus took no action. He was caught completely by surprise, failing either to prepare his armour as a mobile reserve with fuel and ammunition, or to move it on the day of the attack. The historian David Glantz considered that the concealment of the scale of the offensive was the Red Army's "greatest achievement".
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>>549085

>what is Market Garden

Granted it failed terribly, but it was a risk nonetheless.
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>What is the greatest military to ever exist and why is it pic related??

Because they were fighting for the dignity of the toiling masses and not for capitalist' profits.
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>>549344
>the masses
>dignity

Dignity is what separates you from the masses, you pleb.
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>be me russias
>naturally inclined to shitpost on his because my country is now basically cold saudi-arabia with a decent military

Truth is :
Red army was a decent force in late WW2 AFTER 2-3 years of learning german strategies and tactics paid with the blood of countless soviet citizens. You won because you sided with the allies that kept your Industry and logistics running via lend and lease. You could muster the millions of men to adapt german tactics and "won" in the end. In truth the allies used you to exhaust the Wehrmacht (which lost cause of bad political leadership: instead of arming opressed nations like ucraine commence untermensch and the vast underestimation of russian realities regarding geography and population) only to reap the benefits in Overlord while you got shit tier countries in eastern europe. After that you wasted your superpower status by military overexpansion even dwarfing the US by far. Great job, most of the time you recieved the short end for the most ressources invested.
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>"MUH K/D" - Wehraboos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_invasion_of_Denmark_%281940%29
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>>548768
Alright, the "not enough guns to go around" meme is just not true.
There is a reason why I could buy a nugget for 100 bucks two years ago.
Only two years ago even though they have been on the market since the sks and AK platforms were in mass production,
Because they had a LOT OF THEM.
Stop thinking that enemy at the gates is even close to accurate, it isn't and is actually just a shitty love story with a stalingrad background tacked on.
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>>549066
>>549077
damn son why you so angry
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>>550464
They werent able to ship them to the troops in time because the USSR had a godawful supply line
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>>548712
>USSR greatest military
>lost against japan before Japan had even developed their own machine gun

suuuure buddy
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>>550500
when did the USSR lose to japan
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>>550468
>Removes disinformation from a board dedicated to history

"U mad bro ;) "
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i think that settles it ^^
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>>549281
>operation your anus
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>>548969
>mughals
>conquest of india
laughingrajputs.jpg
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>>548969
>but one of their descendants, the Mughals, finished that job.
>Mughals
>Mongol descendants
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>anglopusses fear the red tide
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>>551308
Quality > Quantity
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>>548725
>>548768

>MUH KDR
>MOM BUY ME NEW COD
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>>548969
The problem with "rating" modern militaries is that current situation and general public approach to war casualties means that everybody evades fights. Put drone in, bomb the target, sob stories about killed citizens from far-away-place are easier on ears than sob stories about killed soldiers from your own country.

To bad such approach doesn't win wars.
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Tbqh America. No other military has been so far ahead of everyone else in history, they could rape pretty much any nation they fight in all out war into dust, without even considering nukes.
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>>551556
see >>551532

WW2 Wermacht, Red Army or US Army would wreck modern US if given modern weapons simply because they weren't ass deep into apologising their citizens for their sons getting killed.

Modern developed countries' military is glorified police force with fancy heavy equipment and more explosives.
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>>548712
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>>549066
Sure Russia and the later Soviet Union did shit in the early 20th century up until the end of WW2.

But that isn't all of Russian military history. There is a reason that Russia was and is the biggest country in the world. Russia has won plenty of wars against other western powers to earn its spot as a great power.
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>>549066
>goal is to annex Finland the way you did with Poland and the Baltics
there is no empirical evidence of this

t: finnish history student
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>>552150
>There is a reason that Russia was and is the biggest country in the world
Siberia.

Same reason Canada is the second biggest country on the planet.
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>>550504
Russo-Japanese War. You know, the whole reason for the Revolution of 1905?
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If we're going from amount of land captured by size of starting point, valuable territory gained, and length of empire, I would give it to the Romans. After all, it was more of an internal politics thing that brought them down. Oh yeah, and they were more or less mercenaries, and for mercenaries they did pretty fucking well.
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>>552275
That wasn't the USSR though, the difference in military strength between the Russian Empire of the early 20th century and the USSR right after WW2 is ridiculously big
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>>551570
>asymmetric warfare=conventional warfare
haha stupid vatnicks.
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>>552217
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Democratic_Republic
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>>551365
Soon. But not soon enough.
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>>548988
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>>552275
that is not what i have asked for please provide a relevant answer
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>>549066
>Germany stack 3 million troops on your border because your dipshit leader believes Hitler over his own intelligence services

was it autism?
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>>554517
actually stalin fully expected germany to break the pact - just not then and there, but some time down the road, and instructed his generals accordingly
even at the highest of tensions he got a bit worried and ordered the army to enact defensive plans, but it was too little too late and too disbelieving that the germans would really attack now and not a bit later as he had expected
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Fact: ww2 paratroopers i.e. Easy company
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>>548712
Mongols
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>>548725
>hurrr they won in a disagreeable way!

The won lol.
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>>548966
The Mongols where overhyped shit. They 'conquered' plains tribes and Muslim merchants. The only nation they actually defeated worth mentioning was the Chinese but that was due to Chinese incompetence on military matters, they thought their shit wall would save them so there would be no point having a large army.
>BUT MUH HORSE ARCHER
>BUT MUH BIGGEST CONTINUOUS EMPIRE
>BUT MUH GENGHIS PRODIGY
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Roman army from marian reforms up to late 4th century
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Today, I would say the best military would have to be the US. Simply because of the money that's being pumped into it. They have the most equipment (some of it the best in the world.) and they have the greatest range.

But historically I would have to say almost any step conquerors.
>blitzkrieg before blitzkrieg.
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>>554583
Those """Muslims Merchants""" were
-Turkic Warlords
-The Khwarezmian Empire, which who arose from the Steppes similar to the Mongols. Except they went full persianized

And were bretty militarily competent. Albeit they fucked up the Muslim world.
> The only nation they actually defeated worth mentioning was the Chinese but that was due to Chinese incompetence on military matters,
They were actually fighting a 3 way civil war
>they thought their shit wall would save them
The great wall wasn't in operation at the time. In fact it wasn't in operation since the T'ang Dynasty in the 700's AD.
>so there would be no point having a large army.
Both the Song & Jin dynasties had pretty large armies actually

Check yourself before you wreck yourself negro.
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>>554525
Wasn't Stalin preparing to attack too, just Germans managed to precede them?
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>>554566
>>551524
My god you people are stupid.
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>>548712
Russia was defeated by a tiny memecountry.
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>>551365
All that manpower sure would be useful, if they didn't have to use it to constantly put down internal pesant rebellions.
And please remind me how many aircraft carriers and super carries the PRC has?

Anyways OP, the answer is the U.S. Armed forces after America became a super power.
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>>554583
>>BUT MUH BIGGEST CONTINUOUS EMPIRE

If it was so easy to conquer "plains" as you call it then why didn't your country just conquer a larger portion of the world?

Oh i guess because you coulnd't! There goes your argument.
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>>549077
>>549066
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>>554945
He's right though. Preserving the life of soldiers was never a goal for the Russians, all that mattered was winning. This isn't Counterstrike and a K/D ratio doesn't mean anything in the real world.
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>>555370
But we have to hold all the militaries we're comparing to the same standard.
The red army doesn't get a free pass for losing so many troops because they didn't care about them
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>>555388
There is no standard. The only thing that mattered was winning.

And I'm not even a Russian / commie / Sovietboo, but this argument is honestly retarded. If Germany is conquered and humiliated and half of it remained under Soviet control for the next 40 years, who really gives a shit how many Soviets died in the process of conquering it? Not them for sure.
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>>548712
Let's talk about Winter War and the invasion of Afghanistan.
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>>548712
Mongol Empire, Sweden before sucking brown dicks, Roman Legions.
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Mongols are great for conquering and razing everything to the ground, but not keeping one.

Pic related is how an empire is built (to be fair though, nearly destroyed)
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>>548712
Yugoslavian people's army
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>>548725
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>>550464
1, most of those were made in the late stages of the war, If not after it.
2, really really really bad supply lines.
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>>554933
that is a hypothesis by that one weird crazy russian conspiracy dude (suvarov? something like that)
they were not and would not be for years in any shape to mount an actual offensive - as evidenced by the finnish conflict and the terrible outcome (for them) of barbarossa
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>>555370
But didn't a superior KDR win the Vietnam war?
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>>548993
Because politics
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>>549243
Exactly what I was thinking
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>>551365
That would be absolutely terrifying if they could leave their backyard. Too bad SEA waters are already on lockdown and all their neighbors hate them.
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>>554549
kek, no. Modern SOF elements and Roman legionaries were miles ahead of some 21 year old hick with a couple of months of training.
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>>555699

Yep, the US so far has done a good job of politically isolating China but the Chinese have time on their side.
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>>548988
Shame what Sweden has turned into now
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>>555358
Because it's in Europe and a fucklong distance filled with strong countries away from the steppes?
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>>548993
>what are rules of engagement
Half the world would be a smoking crater if not for politicians, lawyers and prosecutors.
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>>549020
Is...is that fucking Papyrus?
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>>548737
Go home, Ivan
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>>551308
>North Korea
KEK
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>>552275
The Russian Empire was a different country from the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics Anon. The Soviets won practically every military engagement with Japan in WW2, scaring them away from even participating in Barbarossa.
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>>555781

Mongolia managed to conquer china and go through asia to europe.I bet that your country didn't even manage to conquer its neighbour you should just shut up.


>We could conquer a bigger ammount then the mongol empire!
>But we didn't!
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>>551308
MY SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDES
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>>555713
>the Chinese have time on their side
What, the same time that's counting down until their workforce ages out, with no one to replace them?
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>>549285
The more I learn about the Eastern Front the more I realize what a truly God forsaken hell it was.
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>>551314
Yeah.
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>>555582

That Sweden ever contributed anything of military worth to the world is the worst meme that persists on this board. Gustavus Adolphus "genius" is a myth, Sweden barely participated in any wars outside minor conflicts with Denmark (that they all lost) and the entire Great Northern War was a disaster.
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>>548712
yeah, but who was feeding this army?
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>why is it pic related??
They got to Berlin first, America didn't. Try again next war, burgers.
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>>559040
Blame the burger politicians and diplomats for surrendering Berlin at the negotiations with Soviets. Can't really blame the army.
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>>559044
Doesn't matter. Americans love to say they won the space race and the Soviets didn't, saying "blame the Soviet politicians" doesn't mean shit to them. It's "we won, they didn't". Now the shoe's on the other foot. Like Vietnam, amirite?
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Hezbollah.
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>>559083
So basically you're ignoring historical facts just to push an anti-American narrative, that shit might fly over at /int/ but not here, American and the British army wanted and could take Berlin but they had to follow the terms agreed upon in Yalta.

And I'm not even American in case you want to hit me with an ad hominem.
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>>559110
Doesn't matter, the Soviets got their first. History belongs to the victor, not the loser who was dumbed down by weak politicians.
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>>559135
>Doesn't matter

It kind of does if the topic of the thread is raw military strength.
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>>548737
*Wehraboo
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>>559135
>History belongs to the victor, not the loser who was dumbed down by weak politicians.
Why are you even in this board when it's obvious your feelings are getting in the way of objective thinking and you certainly know nothing of history if you claim the western allies did nothing during the war

>dumbed down by weak politicians
you seem to forget that modern Russia is in a much worse situation than Europe or America are

inb4 complaints about degeneracy and lost traditions
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>>559135
>History belongs to the victor

America won the Cold War.
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>>552285
mongolia?
russia?
I don't even
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pic related
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>>559998
>implying anyone won the cold war
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>>560405
>Russia is known for despair and alcoholism
>20 years later, US is still the world's largest economy and largest world power
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>>548712
What do you call the army that stalls and stops, twice, the "greatest" army?
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>>548712
The armed forces of the United States of America. Any other answer is objectively, factually wrong.
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