>>543647 At least 20 odd years afterwards with the aftermath of Uthman's murder. That's basically when people started to side with Ali a whole lot more but the actual divide did not occur until Ali's sons were older men themselves - so not until 30 years after the Prophet's death was there support for Hasan (where he abdicated as Caliph to stop conflict) and another 20 years after that for the incident of Karbala to occur. The theological divide began to develop in the decades following the massacre.
>>545005 People like you are the reason the discussions on this board are getting worse everyday. You already have int and pol to post "Turk detected" or "Kebab removal", why do you also post them here? You could've explained the point you were trying to make and actually contribute a tiniest bit to the discussion.
The medieval middle east was based as fuck. One of the greatest civilizations since Rome. Too bad it got burned and destroyed by Mongol barbarians who then converted to Islam but didn't lose their barbaric ways and proceeded to start a bunch of other, inferior empires in the region. Ottoman Turks were only one step above steppe barbarians. The middle east should have stayed a Caliphate, I'm still mad about Baghdad.
ITT uneducated faggots who don't know enough about Islam to understand it's no better or worse than Christianity. They're literally the same shit. The only difference is the middle east got fucked by history and is now unstable enough to foster rampant extremism. Blame the Brits.
>If you see an unbeliever, say, “I don’t know, maybe he will become a Muslim, and his life will be sealed with the best of deeds, and for his Islam he will emerge free of sin, as a strand of hair is gently removed from dough. As for me, God could cause me to go astray, so that I become of the unbelievers, and my life could be sealed with the worst of deeds. So tomorrow this person might be of the ones drawn to God, and I of the distant ones!
>>546146 I never even mentioned Christianity. Christianity is also a cancer upon humanity.
>>546149 This is so laughably out of context that I shouldn't even bother responding, but here you have you reply.
The crucial bit here is "God could cause me to go astray" because that was al-Ghazali's contribution to Islam: the idea that everything is "ordained" or caused by god, and that there is no natural world in the way that Greek and Latin philosophy understood it. He's not saying anything more than that, but what you've left out is where god's design for the believer that becomes one of the unbelievers the next day is that he is damned and is to be slaughtered by the authorities for the crime of apostasy.
These kinds of events are frequently referred to in the Quran by the way, where god turns the hearts of people against him, and after he does so he literally exterminates them from the face of the Earth.
>>546146 Wait, were the brits also to blame for the bloody conquest of all the areas surrounding the arabian peninsula, to blame for the local practices of human sacrifice, to blame for pre colonial patterns of ethnic warfare, of whixh we are seeing an echo of in current conflicts, say, between kurds and turks, whixh PREDATES CONLONIALISM
People who blame solonialism for everything should be banned from talking about history. You idiots are elders of zion tier retarded
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