Shitting on England (yeah I know, but England=GB=UK, no one cares) is funny, since most of people shit on them while using English invention in English language. If anyone deserves respect for their historical deeds, it's the English, they built the modern world.
>>542204 English language is the lingua franca because of the USA, a country that exists because Britain lost a war to a bunch of peasants (with little help from France and Spain). Not to mention that with its shitton of French words, English language also serves as a reminder of how England was raped by the Normans in 1066 and then spent centuries being ruled by French nobles from Anjou
Choose a better exemple than that if you want to explain Britain's greatness
>>542251 Okay Mr. Pierre. >because of the USA Not just because of USA. British Empire controlled 1/4th of the globe. French was diplomatic language, but English was the language of trade. Guess what was more important. And still, my point stands, England built modern world.
You are stupid if you think the lingu franca of the India subcontinent or chunks of Africa is due to the USA, that is all down to the British Empire. Obviously Canada, Australia, New Zealand and chunks of the West Indies speaking it as their first language is down to the British Empire and so is the USA speaking it in the first place.
>>542286 Do you unironically believe being spoken in India and a few African shitholes is what made English language relevant? It's being spoken in Europe and japan that did, and it only happened after WW2 thanks to the US
During the height of the British Empire, French was the lingua franca English was so irrelevant than German officials adressed to British ones in French ("chiffon de papier")
>>542187 Great Britain is the name of the island, i.e. Britannia Superior (which is based on the Roman naming scheme of naming things closer to Rome as superior and things further away, inferior. Ireland is Britannia Inferior). The country is called The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
>>544613 Britain did jack shit against Napoleon Russia, Prussia and Austria beat him
And that what before what everyone known as "The British Empire" was a thing The British Empire as people know it was built by conquering technologically backward nations in Asia and Africa during the 2nd half of the 19th century (the so called "Victorian Era")
>>545889 Napoleon was never able to invade Britain because he got so wrecked by Nelson. It was something he always wanted to do, he ordered an army of flat bottom boats to be made but they were never used because of the British blockade that constantly plagued France.
>French ITT desperately trying to say they were beaten by powers other then the British >they still can't face the fact that the only other significant French population out of France, Quebec, bows to the British Crown
Some Europeans go to the UK for extended periods to learn English, and come out with British English. Some already know some American English, then come to the UK to learn the rest. Europe is actually one of the worst examples you could have picked, its the area which British English influences the most.
Now Asia, they speak nearly completely American English (Outside of Ex-British colonies)
I think that it depends country to country. Places like Japan, South America, middle East etc certainly owe America and not Britain for their English.
But countries like India, which have English as the default language for translating the various Indian languages, owe more to Britain then America. It really depends were you mean, its basically untrue to say either Britain or America is solely responsible for it when clearly it was a combination of both in different ways.
>>546035 This gets tricky, because the English Crown literally split off from the French one, then claimed the whole of France as theirs and by extension England's, and then the hundred years war. So really its more 'France and England were united in a kingdom' then 'France dominated England'
It's almost as if Britain had a tiny standing army and did not risk it much after the Dutch campaigns.
Huh. How strange. British leadership wrecked Napoleon, corralled minor European states into blockading him, and ultimately fucked his shit up by drawing 100 000 men into the Iberian peninsular, fucking them up, and then been part of the coalition army during Napoleon's return.
I'm not sure what else a tiny European nation could do.
>be the first army ever to rout the Old Guard >destroy the French cavalry with based square formations >bravely charge and capture the French guns but don't even bother destroying them because banter and victory is practically guaranteed anyway >not a flawless victory
1. Britain and her allies only had slightly less troops at waterloo than the French. Whereas Prussia had over 20,000 less and still won the day. 2. The main diplomatic force in pitting European states against Napoleon was Austria. Who led almost all of the Napoleonic wars.
>I'm not sure what else a tiny European nation could do. Britain was fucking huge as far as nations went at the time. It had both a population of 20 million of which the only countries in Europe that were significantly bigger was France with 30 million and Russia with a retroactively estimated 37 million.
Germany however in its entirety had half the population of France yet Prussia absolutely dominated at Waterloo.
Prussia just came in at the end when Britain and France had already been fighting all day and after the Old Guard and French cavalry had already been defeated by the British army. They literally just came in and attacked an army already on the brink of defeat from the rear.
the point is Britain did the majority of all the fighting and winning and held the line all day long against the best the French could throw at them, something Prussia or Austria or any of the other faggot countries ever did against Napoleon
>>546048 Places like Europe, Japan, South America, middle East etc certainly owe America and not Britain for their English. But countries like India, Zimbabwe, Sudan, Burma and Pakistan owe it to Britain!
>>546921 For its pettiness (hiding on their island while the continent was ravaged by the French and the Germans, conquering backward people thank to technology and calling it the "greatest empire ever"...etc)
I wouldn't necessarily put it exactly like that but if we are talking about the subjective topic of cultutal influence of Britain then clearly you can't just magically separate out the USA, which was created from a bunch of British colonies, speaking the English language, basing their laws on English Common Law and deriving their culture on the cukture that founded them and pretend it has nothing to do with Britain and is so some sort of rival culture that entirekly emerged independently and separately.
Clearly any cultural influence the USA has on the world is clearly ALSO part of the cultural legacy of the British EMpire because the USA itself is a legacy of the British Empire.
Don't forget the USA is only a couple of hundred years old for goodness sake. Only a slightly longer time period than between the first colonies from England in the New World and the American Revoultion.
That's a strong and highlydisputable claim and it doesn't actually change anything I just said.
The main point is that this ludicrous intenational /int/ or /pol/ style shitposting competition that this thread has turned into and appears to have been created to generate isn't a terribly useful way of analysing either the US' or the UK's worldwide cultural legacy.
There was the Kingdom of Great Britain but the naming of the state was based on Great Britain as a geographical term already existing. Not because any one made a state called "Britain" and decided to tack "great" on the front as a claim at how awesome it was.
>>546831 >England at its height of power >French is the lingua franca >America at its height of power >English is the lingua franca >China at its height of power >American is the lingua franca I see a pattern!
>>547780 >French was ever the lingua franca in the one third of the global surface cover by the British Empire
French was the lingua franca everywhere, retard (until English replaced it after WW2) That's the point of a lingua franca (international language). When Russian and Japanese diplomats met in early 20th century, they used French.
>>547930 >French was the lingua franca everywhere, retard (until English replaced it after WW2)
Lingua franca is not the simple comcept where one language replaces another as the official lingua franca of the world, dumbass.
If you are seriously suggesting that French was the lingua Franca of North America or the British holdings that covered a third of the world's population during the late 19th and early 20th Centuries then you are more than somewhat slow witted.
>>547996 A lingua franca is a language spoken between people who don't speak the same native language. Of course two Swahilis are going to speak Swahili to each other, that doesn't make Swahili a lingua franca.
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