>>533457 Originated in Africa, obviously. >How did it end up spanning from ancient Middle Eastern civilizations to tribes in West Africa? Africans migrated east and in turn took their language with them, would be my best guess.
>>533649 They had and continue to have kingdoms, empires and States. Tribes aren't accurate to describe population and political united for most Africans >>533655 This goes for Oromo, Somali, Hausa, Berber and Beja + many others as well.
Negro using the original definition within the context of obsolete Physical Anthropology terminology isn't all that accurate describing Africa as well.
>>533457 >Where did the Afro-Asiatic languages originate? From Afrocentric Asians > How did it end up spanning from ancient Middle Eastern civilizations to tribes in West Africa? Because they were half man, half amazin'.
>>533457 >How did it end up spanning from ancient Middle Eastern civilizations to tribes in West Africa? Born in the near east, and expanded from there. Certain tribes in west africa, such as the Hausa, still have creation myths of "white men coming from the north".
>>533807 Fulani people are a stable mixed population going back to prehistory. And most linguists agree that AfroAsiatic is from Africa. It's common sense. Look at the linguistic diversity as well as archaic features.
>>533824 >They are overwhelming Niger-Congo/West African genetically They're not, they have significant eurasian ancestry on the male line.
>>533827 >Fulani people are a stable mixed population going back to prehistory meme
>And most linguists agree that AfroAsiatic is from Africa. meme
>It's common sense It makes absolutely no sense as the vast majority of "afro-asiatic" (I hate that term) languages are spoken in the middle east and north africa. The only significant populations who speak afro asiatic languages in Africa are the obviously very caucasoid ethiopians and somalis.
Anyways, I don't feel like getting into a debate. If you want to believe that we wuz kings n sheeit, be my guest. Heck, we're all african after all, etc.
>>533857 The majority of their autosomal dna and haplogroups are centered with other Niger-Congo speakers. >>533857 The literal number of speakers is much less important than the sheer diversity of linguistic families. With that logic the United States is the land with with English spread to Canada and the UK.
The expansion of Arabic is not an argument for a non-African basis for Afro-Asiatic languages. >>533859 Because the people being called that stated they don't want to be called that decades ago.
>>533857 >They're not, they have significant eurasian ancestry on the male line. "According to a study by Cruciani et al. (2002), around 90% of Fulani individuals from Burkina Faso carried haplotype 24, which corresponds with the common Sub-Saharan haplogroup E1b1a. The remainder belonged to haplotype 42/haplogroup E-M33. Both of these clades are today most frequent among Niger-Congo-speaking populations, particularly those inhabiting Senegal. Similarly, 53% of the Fulani in northern Cameroon bore haplogroup E-M33, with the rest mainly carrying other Sub-Saharan clades (12% haplogroup A and 6% haplogroup E1b1a). A minority carried the West Eurasian haplogroups T (18%) and R-M173 (12%)."
More importantly, that's just the Y-chromosome. Autosomal DNA shows rather little Eurasian admixture (though more than West Africans, of course.)
>It makes absolutely no sense as the vast majority of "afro-asiatic" (I hate that term) languages are spoken in the middle east and north africa. That's like saying it makes absolutely no sense for the IE urheimat to be northeast of the Black Sea since the overwhelming majority of speakers are far from that region. Indeed, the only significant populations who speak IE languages there are Slavs. I mean, if you want to believe you're descended from khokhols be my guest.
Thankfully linguists don't care about your gut feelings.
"In medieval ethnography, the world was believed to have been divided into three large-scale racial groupings, corresponding to the three classical continents: the Japhetic peoples of Europe, the Semitic peoples of Asia and the Hamitic peoples of Africa.
The term has been used in modern times as a designation in physical anthropology, ethnography and comparative linguistics. In anthropology, it was used in a racial sense for "white people" (the Caucasian race). In linguistics it was used as a term for the Indo-European languages. These uses are now mostly obsolete. In a linguistic sense, only the Semitic peoples form a well-defined family. The Indo-European group is no longer known as "Japhetite", and the Hamitic group is now recognized as polyphyletic within the Afro-Asiatic family." [...] "Japhetic and Hamitic are both obsolete, apart from occasional dated use of term "Hamito-Semitic" for the Afro-Asiatic languages."
Most linguists agree to somewhere in East or Northeast Arica, a few think in the Levant. The latter seems more likely to me too for many reasons.
Btw, the diversity of languages spoken in an area is never a good reason to use as a way of pinpointing origins. Otherwise, we'd assume Indo-European came from somewhere in the Balkans-Anatolia area (which has been proposed too but it's a minority position).
>>535255 The conclusions derived by phrenologists from the races' skull shapes are questionable, but skull shapes haven't changed. It's literally scientific fact that negroids, caucasoids, mongoloids, and australoids have different skull shapes.
>>533879 >Because the people being called that stated they don't want to be called that decades ago. No one "decided" this. It's just fashion. Negro never became offensive, except to racist White democrats who apparently don't know who MLK spoke or how old black folk speak today.
>>535230 It's literally the scientific way of white looking head shape. they can just say it has a head shape the looks white so they say Caucasoid because even though the original definition is outdated (the term was made by a guy who was a caucasus-aboo.) people in forensic anthropology it's the easiest way to say "its looks white brah"
>>535644 By the 1940's Black was an insult, Colored was perceived as backwards and people were "Negro". The Black Power movement and youth movements intentionally sought to change the association of Blackness from an insult to a positive.
African American was literally was being pushed by Jesse Jackson since 1989 based off of the black intelligentsia who'd been advocating the term since DuBois.
These terms were literally spearheaded by Black people themselves.
Nice of you to assume black people can't ever have the autonomy to name themselves though, I suggest you go back to the hole you crawled from. >>535660 PoC is not black specific now.
>In particular, M173-bearing chromosomes in Europe are considered to delineate an ancient expansion from Asia during the Upper Paleolithic, ∼30,000 years ago (Semino et al. 2000; Underhill et al. 2001b; Wells et al. 2001). It is quite reasonable to hypothesize that an ancient Asian gene pool was the source of both the European (haplotype 117b) and Cameroonian (haplotype 117) M173 chromosomes. The fact that haplotype 117 is rare or absent in Asia (P.A.U., unpublished data) or the Middle East (present study), suggests that a large portion of its microsatellite diversity in Cameroon accumulated within the African continent after the proposed back-migration event, probably as a consequence of a population expansion. The coalescence age of the African haplotype 117, which we estimated as 4,100 years (95% CI 2,400–8,060 years), could thus represent a date for such an expansion and a lower limit for the time of entry into Africa. The occurrence of the latter event may not necessarily be recent.
>The occurrence of the latter event may not necessarily be recent.
>Although anthropological evidence indicates recent movements between western Asia and Africa by pastoralists (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994), the phylogeography and diversity patterns of M173-associated lineages suggest an earlier demographic history. The absence in northern Cameroon of Y haplotypes affiliated with the recolonization of Europe following the Last Glacial Maximum, as well as the subsequent Neolithic transition (Semino et al. 2000), is consistent with this interpretation.
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