What went wrong?

White/Afrikaner ethnocentrism

Why is Africa so unstable compared to other former colonies? i.e Australia, New Zealand, America etc

>>530165
AIDS

>>530165
Black migration from the north

>>530189
All the natives died in the countries you just listed.

Or at least enough that the majority of the new country was European.

>>530199
Wasn't the most recent migration due to Europeans introducing corn while they were trading for slaves?

>>530189
Afrikaners.

No really, that's it.

If the brits had been the sole conquerors it would be Botswana tier now but with far less AIDS.

>>530220
Just like Sudan is, amirite.

>>530218
South African history goes like this

-100,000 years go the Khoisan arrive
-2000 years ago some Bantu settlers arrive
-1000 years ago far more Bantu arrive
-350 years ago Dutch arrive
-200 years ago the British arrive

>>530235
What motivated the migration southward if not new crops making the land more useful?

>>530235
Based Khoisan, now nearly extinct.

>>530165
Anglo-Zulu war

The Brits fucked up the good relations the Zulu and Boers had with one another.

>>530246
The Bantu with their iron tools just had this need to move EVERYWHERE that didn't originally have them, and bring their tsetse fly resistant cattle with them. That's why the Khoikhoi have cattle.

>>530246
That's basically it. And iron tools too. The bantu crop & cattle package was ideal for most of Seffrika.

But as they reached more desert and mediterranean regions they couldn't thrive, so the khoisan fled there.

>>530263
So much of human history is fundamentally about food.

>>530195
It didn't help, but it wasn't the overriding issue.

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>>530220
So hang on, are you pro or anti Boer Wars?

>>530165
White South Africans became insular and unable to adapt to change forcing moderate blacks to side with the extremists leading to the rise of the corrupt morass that is the ANC.

>>530165
Having 3 different Capitols.

>>530393
>White South Africans
Really it was the Boers more than anything. Without the Afrikaner nationalism that caused Apartheid, you wouldn't have had the whole clusterfuck of terrorism that South Africa was dealing with all that time.

>>530235
The Portuguese discovered the Cape of Good Hope you ignorant jew

>>530235
Very simplified
>>530246
There was more than one migration with more than one set of crops
>>530247
No they aren't
>>530256
They aren't tsetse resistant at all, they aren't even tsetse tolerant.
>>530263
Khoisan have always been there

>>530165
The failure of Xhosa and Zulu languages to linguistically conceptualize and consider eurocentric concepts (objective time, obligation, precision, mathematics, deliberate long term foresight) essential to the maintenance and furtherance of sophisticated, capitalist societies previously overseen by European-descended dominant minorities.

https://whitelocust.wordpress.com/morality-and-abstract-thinking-how-africans-may-differ-from-westerners/

expected /pol/ circle jerk
didn't get /pol/ circle jerk
i'm proud of you /his/

>>530600
We're only 24 posts in, don't get too hyped just yet.

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>>530555
As even a third-language Zulu speaker, I can assure you that people do not use the same words for "number" and "numerous".

Sentiments such as gratitude and loyalty are common in Zulu language and culture. Perhaps the most common and clichéd idiom in Zulu is "Umuntu ngumuntu ngabantu", which means "one is a person through other people", and is the basic idiom underlining the idea of Ubuntu, which is common to many – not all, but many – Southern African cultures. It's such an ingrained idiom that it's almost an asinine thing to say, like invoking "the Golden Rule". Fuck, even "hello" (sawubona) translates to "I see you". Communication in Zulu and Xhosa (the two African languages I have knowledge in) is based on reciprocation – it's probably true for related languages too.

Honestly, who the fuck looks in a dictionary probably not even a proper Zulu dictionary, just an awful simulacrum of one on the internet, and tries to infer the mental and cultural state of millions of people from it. Racists are so fucking thick it makes my head spin.

According to this logic white people can only understand abstract concepts as "pulled-away taken-ins" and are thus incapable of grasping idioms on any meaningful level. Their closest word for "understand" means "to grab hold of."

The word "rape" used to just mean "to seize".

>It appears that the Zulu word for “future”—isikhati—is the same as the word for time, as well as for space.
>Realistically, this means that these concepts probably do not exist in Zulu

It appears that the Latin word for "space" spatium is the same word as for time. Realistically, this means that these concepts probably did not exist in Ancient Roman thought.

>mfw

>>530616
(^3^)

How do you know Zulu, are you a JoBurg Afrikaner?

>>530643
Anglo Kenyan actually

I'm a linguist. Trying to discover the urheimat of proto-niger-congo.

>>530653
Not the guy you responded to, but I sincerely wish you the best of luck, sir. Language and it's etymology is a beautiful thing.

>>530653
Neat.

>>530616
>Ubuntu
Huh I would have expected the Zulus to be more keen to Windows.

>>530653
Well that's in the Sahara, while certainly the position of Mande within Niger-Congo is tenuous we know proto-mande is from the regions effected by the neolithic subpluvial given their root words include goat and cow.

Also why do you know Zulu in Kenya if Kikuyu and Luo would be much more useful?

>>530616
His argument reaches when it makes claims regarding morality and social functioning. His statements regarding mathematics, measurement, and linguistic precision are interesting if true.

Anon, are you suggesting that language is NOT a reflection of the culture that commands it's use and the social conditions in which a culture has developed? Why would you need words to deliberately discuss technology, numerosity, and measurement if you do not need to routinely employ such concepts like your life depends on it?

I am only making the observation that non-settled and settled people with minimal infrastructure and division of labor have a much better option when times get tough--they cut their losses, head elsewhere, and go about business as usual.

Settled, agrarian people in not having this option would necessarily be under pressures to develop alternative, ultimately culturally inscribed means of optimizing the limited resources at hand. This would necessarily and categorically imply a difference in how these people considered and verbally denoted how capital was mobilized and optimally utilized. Far and away, this was a problem seldom faced by subsaharan Africans to the degree that it impacted cultures emerging in less temperate climates.

Not them but
>>530726
>Settled, agrarian people in not having this option would necessarily be under pressures to develop alternative, ultimately culturally inscribed means of optimizing the limited resources at hand. This would necessarily and categorically imply a difference in how these people considered and verbally denoted how capital was mobilized and optimally utilized. Far and away, this was a problem seldom faced by subsaharan Africans to the degree that it impacted cultures emerging in less temperate climates.

Bantu by definition are settled agrarians, agro-pastoralists sometimes but mostly settled farmers.

>>530716
>Also why do you know Zulu in Kenya if Kikuyu and Luo would be much more useful?
Personal affection for the Nguni cultures. I live in Bongistan half the year now anyway.
>>530726
>Anon, are you suggesting that language is NOT a reflection of the culture that commands it's use and the social conditions in which a culture has developed?

Linguists see languages as grammars, systems of rules according to which people can form complex expressions (sentences, phrases, words) out of smaller, discrete parts (morphemes, phonemes). The more solid versions of the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis are about how grammar, not words, influence thought. People consciously invent new words or adopt foreign ones all the time, in an offhand manner without any effort, which enormously weakens the "they can't think X because they have no word for X" argument. People, on the other hand, rarely consciously invent new grammatical tenses for their language, much less invent new obligatory grammatical rules for things like evidentiality.

Besides, Bantu cultures are overwhelmingly agricultural and have been since their origin.

>>530743
Same logic applies. Even as settled peoples, they were not under the same pressures as other agricultural societies to intensively optimize the efforts of their labor. In a temperate climate, I am never too afraid of falling short in agricultural output because the opportunity to forage productively is abundantly clear, even if it is not my primary means of subsistence. In an intemperate climate, the costs of failing to accurately estimate and maximize crop/ livestock yields is much more dire and unavoidable.

>>530776
>they were not under the same pressures as other agricultural societies to intensively optimize the efforts of their labor
Y'know aside from vermin, drought, and disease
>In a temperate climate, I am never too afraid of falling short in agricultural output because the opportunity to forage productively is abundantly clear
M8 africa was not like the nature documentaries

Those massive herds you see on the telly are the result of humans dying off in the late 19th century because of crop failures and cattle disease

For most of history nutrition was hard to come by until southeast asian and new world crops came

>>530776
So I don't think people who've never gone to Africa understand this but the majority of the farmers and historic populations in Africa have the same issues as temperate farmers historically in Europe.

There are in fact seasons, there is the need to store food, there is the need to increase fertility, there are rampant issues of sub-par soil, there are pests, crop failures and droughts.

Tsetse, quelea, striga among many other pests and parasites.

Historically we know crop failure and climatic fluctuations were a very common occurrence throughout Europe, we also know the limitations of livestock before modern breeding came about to increase output or the limitations of soil fertility before crop rotation became the continental norm.

>>530247
Yeah, wiped out by their fellow africans.

>>530770
>People consciously invent new words or adopt foreign ones all the time, in an offhand manner without any effort, which enormously weakens the "they can't think X because they have no word for X" argument.

Sure, novel words or concepts for that matter will always be adopted if they provide some greater utility than previously existed in their absence. What is really the question here regards those factors impacting whether a novel element of grammar is found to confer greater utility. This is in large part determined by the culture itself--it's means of subsistence, climatic context, etc. Culture, language, and the cognitions they normatively permit reciprocally inform each other. As much as there is variability between specific languages, it is naive to assume that there is not equivalent variability in psycholinguistic preparedness to consider some cognitive schemas representative a specific, given language that is not the speaker's.

>>530801
What do you mean by wiped out? All nguni people have Khoi and San ancestry and linguistic traits. Have you seen Mandela and many other South Africans?

>>530555
>>530726
>>530776
>>530805
/pol/ is being more articulate than usual. It almost sounds like a halfway legitimate argument. Scary.

>>530555
What this author humorously fails to realize is that most of the "backwards traits" he describes natives typically demonstrating in his presence were likely in direct response to his own odious bigotry stinking up the joint. What a self-involved, delusional, racist twat.

>>530812
I mean by only removing them of all their territory in africa that the Khoisan only survived in the very south on a desert they didn't want to invade.

>>530912
That's not true, Khoe displaced and absorbed San and both groups were found to Eastern Cape all through out winter rainfall South Africa.

>>530600
>>530613
>/his/ is literally /lit/ junior and you faggots still think /pol/ is the problem

>>530824
It helps if you stop using /pol/, reddit, tumblr, etc as a boogeyman for things you dislike

>>530393
The NP was allowed to foment due to the Boers (rural Afrikaners) and lower class Afrikaners( city cwelling ones like the Cape).

>>530218
No, the most recent migration is happening right now.

Europe's got nothing on South Africa.

>>530616

>It appears that the Latin word for "space" spatium is the same word as for time.

Tempus, faggot.

>>530189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZKHZVVRITY

>>530824
This is because it IS a halfway legitimate argument.

It's funny, you're subconscious is telling you it's true, but you're forcing yourself not to believe it in the name of ideology. Your brain has been cucked by the establishment I'm afraid.

>>530393
>blaming an incompetent black government on whites
wew /lit/

>>530850
>blacks forgot how to do maths because people were racist to them
back to /leftypol/

>>530850
you should probably take a moment to wipe away the froth at your mouth

>>530165
Ask Zulu king goodwill zwelithini
"The official king of South Africa’s Zulu tribe has announced that that country was economically, militarily, and socially better under white Afrikaner rule—and that history will judge blacks as only having destroyed everything that they had inherited from the white government."
Not trying to be a stormfag but it's pretty true, also whites are being discriminated and dislocated big-time in SA

>>531558
I ain't reading someone's facebook diarrhea

>>531698
If only Inkhata came to power over the ANC

>>531698
He is bitter over his loss of power, the White government gave the royal family the control over their people in the bantustans but as apartheid ended they've slowly done away win them.

His political part no longer rules the province and although he gets millions of Rand annually he is always in want for more.

His opinion is not one any should take seriously, he cares only of the acknowledgement of his prestige and he'd take it from anyone including a racist government that subjugated his people in a way he never experienced.

>>530165
The British

>>531698
>Not trying to be a stormfag but it's pretty true, also whites are being discriminated and dislocated big-time in SA

>implying they dont deserve it
what comes around goes around t b h

>>531827
>His opinion is not one any should take seriously

It's not really an opinion that South Africa was better off economically, militarily, and socially under Apartheid. It's a proven statement. The only question is why.

>>531867
>It's not really an opinion that South Africa was better off economically

dont whites still control SA's economy?

>>531875
They still make up most of the captains of industry but they are not running the government anymore.

>>531867
>>531875
Well when you don't put funds for the non-white majority in regards to infrastructure, education or quality of life as well as pay non-white workers pennies on the dollar your nation would do well too

>>531853
Some white people thought seperating whites and blacks was for the better for both races(it probably was) and enforced it with good intentions.
This is now the fault of all white people and all evil white crackas should be punished even if they had nothing to do with it.
>People deserve to be treated like shit intentionally ever but only if they're white.
You're not even leftypol anymore
/Americanstyleliberalismandfeminismpol/ pls go

>>531884
OK so why is infrastructure deteriorating to the point where the wikipedia page for blackout has the largest entry of any country?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_blackout#South_Africa

Why are people on average poorer now than they were under apartheid?

>>531893
please stop playing the race card, thanks.

It has nothing to do with them being white, if you fuck a group of people over then the people you are fucking over decide to fuck you up you deserve it.

>>531911
Again, many didn't fuck them over. They don't just discriminate against whites who were adults during apartheid. It ended 22 years ago, you can never have even been born under National Party rule, but if you're white then you're officially racially discriminated against in employment by the state.
So no, many don't fucking deserve in you pinko scum.

>>531911
>It has nothing to do with them being white, it's just because they're white

>>531911
>if you fuck a group of people over

I would disagree they were "fucked over". The blacks of South Africa were far better off in South Africa than they were anywhere else in Africa by every measurable standard of living and at the end of apartheid they were essentially handed control of a world class country.

How do you explain the mass immigration of blacks to South Africa if they were just being "fucked over"? The truth is a low wage is far better than no wage, and some freedom is better than no freedom.

>>531911
>thanks
>Being this much of a feminist
This is entirely about race.
Also the white people where not intentionally fucking over black people, they thought it was for the better, and to be honest it was. Appartheid SA was safer better cleaner than todays SA. Let alone the fact that not all white people living in south Africa helpt the Appartheid regime. But according to you every white person in SA must pay for what they and their parents (even asuming you can oppress people from the moment you where born, people born in 1994 are at youngest 21, every white person under 21 is a big demographic) did before 1994 (wich was building up a decent African country for once) should be unconditionally punished??

>>530165
too many black people

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>>531968
ahoy! that was Black Continent, dude!

>>531902
Shoddy and quickly created infrastructure was built to support over 80% of the population almost overnight of course irs faulty when the very communities they are going into are what were until recently overcrowded shanty towns.

Their economy is down because they already peaked in Gold and other minerals that make up only 6% of their GDP when it was once 21%.

If it weren't for their remaining minerals and especially their status as the world's platinum mine it'd likely be an even worse situation in terms of export. The long term is their economy is on a slow decline, they are dealing with finite resources to a growing population.

>>531884
You can say the word "black" here.

>>531939
>It ended 22 years ago, just get over it!
>muh individualism

that's not how people work, it would be nice if we did but we don't. People only bring up individualism when it's convenient.

>>531942
where did I say that?

>>531946
>I would disagree they were "fucked over"

http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0001/000122/012289eo.pdf

>How do you explain the mass immigration of blacks to South Africa if they were just being "fucked over"?
higher quality of life

>The truth is a low wage is far better than no wage, and some freedom is better than no freedom.
this is true

>>531951
>This is entirely about race.
not at all, you're the ones making this about race

>>532009
>where did I say that?
In your post.

>>532009
>http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0001/000122/012289eo.pdf
sorry this was supposed to go to

>>531951
>Also the white people where not intentionally fucking over black people

also
>where not intentionally fucking over black people
>they thought it was for the better

so were they or were they not intentionally fucking over blacks? "They thought it was for the better" implies that they were intentionally fucking over blacks but it was for the better. Are you saying that they(whites) were fucking over blacks for the benefit of their own group?

>>532020
>>where not intentionally fucking over black people
>>they thought it was for the better
You know there's no contradiction there, right? If they thought that apartheid was helping blacks, that it wouldn't then be considered "fucking them over"?

>>531991
Poor coloureds suffer as well and especially in Northern Cape and rural West Cape were little better off.

The country went down the shitter because half the population is uneducated poor people that will continuously vote for the "black" party even thought that party has shown itself to be incompetent and corrupt.

It "went wrong" when they allowed everyone to vote.

>>532027
ah okay, my mistake, 'they thought they were helping blacks' didn't cross my mind.

Why do you believe that they thought they were helping the blacks?

>>532027
ah okay, my mistake, 'they thought they were helping blacks' didn't cross my mind.

Why do you believe that they thought they were helping the blacks?

>>532038
>The country went down the shitter because half the population is uneducated poor people that will continuously vote for the "black" party even thought that party has shown itself to be incompetent and corrupt.

this t b h

>>532020
I understand that I might have said it with a bit of ambiguity. But the segregation was for the better, not the "fucking over black people"

>>532038
Well whose fault is the multi-generational uneducated population? ANC can't be expected to fix everything in the matter of 25 years.

>>532060
>whites should be responsible for bringing civilization to the dozens of millions of mudhutters just because they're nearby

It's such a shame. If the whites had just stayed near the Cape, they could've created a white country and been like Canada, Australia, New Zealand. But they had to expand into the black areas and now they're tied to the Africans forever.

>>532086
They had no right settling the land and the Khoe told them that when they went toward with the Dutch.

If you conquer a land and subjugate the people you are responsible for the reactions

>>530165
>>530165
From what I remembered from a post about someone who lives there, it boils down to a few things.

When blacks and whites were finally equal under its new law (yea), the overwhelming majority (the blacks) started to fuel their anger towards the white people. Can't blame them, decades of prejudice can lead up to that. So of course they voted for people to represent based off their skin color.

But they started to focus more on diversity and giving the black man an advantage that they lacked heavily on several factors. Infrastructure is one, lack of anti-corruption is another, and lack of any real justice. To them, if anything went wrong, the blame was placed on the white man.

Corruption is at a all time high and people are too stubborn to realize it because "How can my brother take advantage of me? It's the white man's fault!" (Of course this is an exaggeration, but you understand my drift). Prejudice and racism is taking place again, only this time is towards the white folk ( I remember someone from the South African government tweeted something about killing all the white folk in S.Africa. I forgot to save the picture). Sure you may argue "They had it coming!". Personally, I don't believe it's good progressive as many would like to think.

Sum it up; corruption is at an all time high because of focus on diversity and a thirst for revenge, infrastructure is deteriorating, and the focus on removing the white folk that lives in S. Africa is the wool to cover the eyes of the masses that live there.

Will it improve? Maybe, but the chances are low.

>>532113
>They had no right settling the land
Might makes right, that's how humans have worked for all of history. The natives weren't using the land as effectively as the Dutch could. Besides, Cape was sparsely populated at the time and the current explosion in black population only occurred after the whites were already there.

>>532113
At that time pretty much only San sparsely populated the area where the Dutch settled, there was enough land for a small Dutch colony. Not only that but the Dutch didn't subjugate the blacks but traded with them. Only when the English came there was subjugation to the population (and the boers) but to be honest, they changed the country for the better. And you can't blame distant offspring for the subjugation their ancestors did.

>>530165
A population with an average IQ of 70 cannot govern over a modern industrialized country. It simply isn't possible.

>>532166
The average IQ in Botswana is 70 and their country has the 5th highest HDI in Africa, after two tiny island nations and Libya, Algeria, and Tunisia.

>>532166
North Koreans have an iq of 105, are they doing well?
Ants are able to govern themselves, so are bees.
I agree with you that blacks are not good at governing. (Although historically they have in rare occasions governed themselves reasonably) but I don't think that's due to their iq.
Is it really 70 though, it thought that was aboriginal level retarded, blacks are more like 80-90 right?

>>532142
>>532158
It wasn't sparse, the Cape was controlled by several Khoe nations of herders who maximized their cattle and sheep herds on the available land and water sources.

>San
There were no bushmen in the cape, their were Strandloopers who were cattleless Khoe on the coast but they were the absolute minority.

Might does not make right anymore than masses of migrants taking over a European nation and forcing natives to submit to their rule.

The "explosion" that you're speaking of comes from an introduction of Maize but if anything that only made Nguni derived populations more vulnerable. However the were still populace and by no means were they anything less than expanding farming communities. Especially when we have records of Xhosa at even the very edge of the summer rainfall zone.

The Dutch were actively subjugating the native populations, they did have racial preferential treatment and did practice slavery and the institutions that did disadvantage non-white populations.

Apartheid is the result of people alive today perpetuating the system and being unwilling to properly uplift the racial majority and those people are reaping what they sow today as they should.

This isn't something that happen 100 years ago.

>>532179
Botswana is an exception is the sense that it's basically a big diamond mine. It's a one party, one tribe state with the politicians being the traditional chieftains of the tribe. They get remittances in exchange of letting western companies exploit their natural resources.

It's not a developed country.

>>532190
>North Koreans have an iq of 105, are they doing well?
The average north korean probably lives a better life than the average south african...

Of course, north korea is an abject shithole (communism tends to do that). I never claimed that a population with a high IQ will automatically build a successful society : obviously, things such as culture are VERY important.

However, high IQ is a prerequisite. This is why south korea was able to successfully transform from a feudal society to an industrialized country in less than 50 years.

No african country will ever develop like south korea.

>Is it really 70 though, it thought that was aboriginal level retarded, blacks are more like 80-90 right?
American blacks are 85. African blacks are 70. Keep in mind that that IQ is probably depressed by malnutrition, so you could expect their "optimal" IQ to perhaps reach 80.

>>532210
>North Korea
>communism
When will this meme stop, if you ask I'll explain but north Korea has nothing to do with communism for more than 30 years
Iq is depressed by malnutrition
Either north Koreans are naturally smarter than south Koreans, or the starving north Korean is a propaganda meme or malnutrition doesn't have that big of an impact. Since south Koreans don't have higher iq.
Maybe the people enslaved and bought by Europeans to work in America were of smarter more docile tribes and where therefore enslaved by the more aggressive dumb affricans

>>532224
>When will this meme stop
Oh shut up commie.

>Either north Koreans are naturally smarter than south Koreans, or the starving north Korean is a propaganda meme or malnutrition doesn't have that big of an impact. Since south Koreans don't have higher iq.
South Koreans probably have a higher IQ. Do you have any proof that North Koreans have higher IQs?

>Maybe the people enslaved and bought by Europeans to work in America were of smarter more docile tribes and where therefore enslaved by the more aggressive dumb affricans
No, it's because of their 20% white admixture.

>>532306
Explain how Sierra Leone has a IQ of 91

>>532335
It doesn't.

>>532306
>Commie
Fuck you I'm not even a communist you dipshit, the fact that it's about a country that's against the US makes it okay to lie about it? This has nothing to do with any opinions I have about NK(wich are not positive)
>Prove that north Koreans have higher iq than south Koreans
I never fucking said that, it's both 105
>White admixture
That works as an explanation I guess, but what I said was just a suggestion to a possible explaition hence the maybe

>>532367
>Fuck you I'm not even a communist you dipshit, the fact that it's about a country that's against the US makes it okay to lie about it?
I'm not american you fucking idiot. North Korea is indeed a communist state, whether you like it or not, you fucking lefturd.

>I never fucking said that, it's both 105
Prove that they have the same IQ then.

>>532356
According to IQ-research it is

Also if admixture is so influential why are so many Bantu nations above Ethiopia?

>>532437
>According to IQ-research it is
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[citation really needed]

>>532437
>>532449
>Also if admixture is so influential why are so many Bantu nations above Ethiopia?
[citation also needed]

>>532380
>Lefturd
Voted ukip and still somehow a leftist huh?
>It is a communist country
No it's not, not only has it never had communism as a form of (non)government. (it has never existed anywhere in a large scale). It has also removed all references to communism from its constitution. So it also doesn't have communism as ideal, the reason why people call the Soviet Union etc. Communist countries
>Prove that it's the same
Wealth and poverty of nations study
Korea north: 105
Korea south: 106
I think we can both agree that these numbers are within reasonable boundaries to be called the same
Can't link you to the pdf because I'm on my phone but you can easily find it online

>>532453
>Voted ukip and still somehow a leftist huh?
You are redeemed.

>No it's not, not only has it never had communism as a form of (non)government.
I fucking hate this argument. You know as well as I do that the doctrine of communism is to create a violent revolution and establish a dictatorship of the proletariat. Since the revolution and the establishment of the dictatorship have for goals to bring about communism, it is perfectly fair to label them "communist regimes".

>Wealth and poverty of nations study
Well that's interesting.

I guess niggers really are retarded then.

>>532466
>Hate this argument
I understand that it's reasonable to call countries who have as goal to establish communism communist regimes. But like I said, North Koreans don't have that ideal anymore, and haven't had for a long time, you wouldn't call Russia communist because it once had that ideal, then why call north Korea communist?
North Korea is nothing more or less than a very totalitarian family dictatorship. It fits absolute monarchy better than communism

>>532483
>then why call north Korea communist?
Because the current north korean government is a direct continuation of "communist" north korea.

No. Nk does not have an avg iq of 105.

I know where anon got that number, it was a guesstimate they made because no one has access or info to Mk. The number 105 as extrapolated by taking the mean average iq pf nk's neighbors (sk. China and japan)

How you people so gullible you believe a backwards meme country lie nk can have an iq of 105

If you don't believe me just use Google to look it up. Outrageous whatppl believe without a source.

>>532466
> Since the revolution and the establishment of the dictatorship have for goals to bring about communism, it is perfectly fair to label them "communist regimes".
OK, can you point to the point in time where absolute political power in North Korea was in the hands of the laborers?

>Because the current north korean government is a direct continuation of "communist" north korea.
So the current government of the UK is Jacobite?

>>532449
>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Claiming Africans are technically mentally retarded (IQ <80) is an extraordinary claim but I've never seen any extraordinary evidence for it.

>>532521
Hmm well fair enough, It didn't cross my mind to check if numbers I found in my source are reliable or not, since nothing indicated they were not.

>>532500
If you implicitly agree that "communist" North Korea wasn't really communist (hence the scare quotes), why would you call its successor state communist after it dropped even the pretense of communism?

Is Cambodia communist?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_People's_Party

>>530165
The Oppenheimer Family destroyed it and continue to destroy it.

>>532547
>Wikipedia

>>532521
If a backward meme country like China can have an IQ over 100 (remember that much of the population lived and starved under Mao or were raised by people who did, and it wasn't much better than India or half of Africa until a decade or two ago) then North Korea can have an IQ over 100 as well.

>>532555
Oh, sorry, let me recommend you a dozen books on the ruling party and ideology of Cambodia. In six months after you've read them all, you can perhaps formulate an informed opinion on the subject. Of course I trust you will make a new thread and link me to it when you feel confident enough to express yourself.


Answer me, faggot: Is Cambodia communist?

>>530165
Eternal anglo. Suid Afrika is Boer

>>532521
Also north Korea has done really well in the international math olympiad, so at least some of them are certified not retarded

>>532556
Are u sĥitposter or srs? Comparing china under mao tto china of today? Comparing modern china to 'modern'' nk? Kill itself

>>532575
>robot azns are good at math
News at 11. And those math,aticians are probably representing of 1% nk population and is only the part of nk that nk lets you see

Ducking what is going on, its like dprk ssd shills posting on this board or something

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THE OPPENHEIM(ER) FAMILY

http://www.geni.com/projects/Family-Familie-Oppenheimers/8211
>This is the story of Sir Ernest and Harry Oppenheimer, South Africa's gold and diamond magnates. For more than half a century their influence has been felt in every corner of the world, and at every level of society, since their enterprises are at the roots of the world's economy. Yet strangely, this is the first time their story has been told"


https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-7735575.html
>from The Economist - 1989:
>AN AURA of power enshrouds the Oppenheimer family. And the impression of wealth and power is no illusion. By any measure, the Oppenheimers are the Rocke-fellers, Morgans and Gettys of South Africa all rolled into one. Anglo American, the holding company which the family created and still guides, is vast. It is at the centre of the world's largest mining group, producing a fifth of the non-communist world's gold. Anglo also has a firm grip on the platinum market and towers over the South African economy with interests in industry, farming and finance. De Beers, its sister company, controls the world diamond market.

>>532597
Excise poor English and typos. Foreigner posting from iPad.

>>530180
Wrong. That is what helped build the country in the first place.

>>530235
Top fucking kek, what an ignorant human being you are.

>the Bantu
Like saying "the Indo-Europeans". Zulus are invaders who arrived at the same time as the Dutch.

>>532597
>Comparing china under mao tto china of today? Comparing modern china to 'modern'' nk?
You may not be aware of it, but IQ tests were performed in Maoist China and it didn't show a depressed IQ compared to other East Asian countries, even though the standards of living and access to information were much worse.
If Maoist China and the regime that succeeded it could produce a population with an IQ above 100, why couldn't North Korea?
The point was that there was no great difference between Maoist China and North Korea that could explain a large IQ gap back then. Furthermore, the North Korean ruling elites as well as "middle-class" bureaucrats and officers enjoy perfectly decent standards of living and are trusted with more information than the peasants or gulag residents who weren't going to be taking any IQ tests anyway.

>>532597

One is now something inbetween fascist and stalinist regime that will implode if there is no constant aid from... its neighbour: a corrupt oligarcho-collectivist shithole with a fuckload of slave labour veiled as a pseudo-socialist country that uses communism as means of controling slave population.

I have no idea why China is so "Ro-ro-ro, China stronk", or why people think it is, when most of its economic growth is on paper and they are soon going to have a demographic implosion. Oh, and dont start wit environment...

BTW, do they still talk about Tian-an-men or whatever is its name thing there or about how many died under Mao? No? Shit country.

>>532620
For that matter, a backward meme country like Mongolia enjoys an average IQ on par with or higher than any Western country.

>>532625
>memes!!!111!!1!1!!

>>532599
THIS! those fuckers

If white people are so smart why were Portugal Ireland Greece and Spain on the verge of collapse a couple if years ago?

>>532689

Do you have any counter-statements? Or just spouting some nonsense is the best you can do?

>>532728
They weren't on the verge of collapse.

>>532763
>>>/pol/

>>532728
This is practically set up for
>All those countries
>White

>>530165
Bantu immigration into a khoisan/white country

>>530944
Well the portuguese expelled and raped my people in my country, saying we were absorbed is euphemization.

>>532597
1% of Koreans beat all countries except 3
You're making it really easy for me
>Dprk shills
Yeah because talking about the intelligence of a certain ethnic group is really propaganda for a country who wasted all that potential, only showing how much they suck that they can't get a nice country going with those human resources.
>Ipad
That explains your thought, Apple ™ users are well known for logic ™ and unbiased thinking ™

>>532190
Government institutions do matter, but characteristics of the population like time preference and intelligence do form a ceiling of economic potential. While NK is certainly impoverished, what African country could even dream of developing rudimentary atomic weapons like NK has?

>>532616
Zulu are not recent arrivals and the preceded the Europeans
>>532789
It's not white anymore than Germany is Turkish

>>532616
Actually the Nguni tribes colonized south africa in the middle ages

Afrikaners made up the "empty land" lie to justify their seizure of native land despite all evidence saying otherwise

>>531853
So should blacks in Zanzibar be massacred?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lpY8_mKvjk

>>532563
fucking recked

>>533318
To be fair, the blacks were there first