The one where the means of production were owned by such socialist governments as IG Farben, Krupp, Porsche, Mauserwerke, Siemens, Opel, Volkswagen, Rheinmetall, Focke-Wolfe, Messerschmidt, Junkers and Zeppelin.
And of course one can't forget the lack of aristocrats in leading position: Generalfeldmarschallen Von Manstein, Von Below and Colonel Von Stauffenberg were all just happy coincidences
And really can one forget their universal employment scheme?
Of course their victory over the USSR solidified their position as successful socialists
>>529327 >The one where the means of production were owned by such socialist governments as IG Farben, Krupp, Porsche, Mauserwerke, Siemens, Opel, Volkswagen, Rheinmetall, Focke-Wolfe, Messerschmidt, Junkers and Zeppelin. You realize that the government seized the majority of shares for these companies right? You realize that the nationalization of industry is literally public ownership of the means of production... right?
Actually, Sweden had what they called "Funktionssocialism" or "Functional socialism" for the majority of the 19th century, where the main focus wasn't about controlling the ownership of capital but the function of said capital.
>>529592 Failure to come through on commodities for the working class. No industrial democracy. Didn't put down the tories for good. Failed to decolonise in the interests of working people. Didn't repudiate war debt.
>>532310 >state-capitalist policies >socialist Just because you call yourself something doesn't make it true. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not democratic or a republic, for example. Just as National Socialism is a highly conservative and market based ideology. It has some similarities with communism, but that's because when you go far enough around the political horseshoe, you meet up in the back.
>>532323 >having the state own most industries is not socialistic. Thats entirely socialistic.
>The definition of socialism is to find and alternate economic system to capitalism. Merriam Webster: >any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods Oxford >A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
The alternative to capitalism is purely Marxist, and then it's only a endgame to bring about communism.
>Having the state own shit is not an alternate economic system to capitalism, if it still trades and operates like capitalism. That's precisely what socialism is, instead of private ownership trading/operating like capitalism, you have public/state ownership.
>Hitler had the guy who pushed to emphasize the socialist part of National Socialism murdered, i.e Strasser. Hitler had numerous people murdered, including the fucking SA. He was a lunatic and people high up in his 'clique' regularly manipulated him for their own gain.
Hitler also had Rommel kill himself, it doesn't mean he was opposed to using tanks in warfare.
>>532334 >It has some similarities with communism, but that's because when you go far enough around the political horseshoe, you meet up in the back.
Exactly, which would mean that in the endgame there's little difference, and playing with labels is an utterly pointless exercise and a futile attempt to label Nazism as a right wing conservative ideology. Hell, in the context of Germany at the time, it could be argued that Nazi's were the 'liberals' fighting to upset the status quo, and were fighting 'conservative' German thought.
At the end of the day, Hitler went out of his way to state he was socialist, and an enemy of capitalism. As was naziism.
>>532353 Yes, but the point is that the different between "government ownership" and "private ownership" is entirely spurious if it operates in the exact same way as a capitalist economy.
Do you really think that Hjalmar Schacht and the rest of the economists that Hitler employed to fix the German economy would be insane enough to advocate 100% government ownership of German industries and market?
No. Because that would mean zero profitability.
Hence, state capitalism is the better alternative, because it meant that they could have their totalitarian fingers into whatever was going on, while at the same time earning profit.
>>532393 >Hence, state capitalism is the better alternative, because it meant that they could have their totalitarian fingers into whatever was going on, while at the same time earning profit.
Yes, that is generally how socialist countries work. But I'm arguing that they were not acting as state capitalists, that they were acting as socialists, that they stated they were socialists acting as socialists, and that playing label games comes off as an attempt at historical revisionism by people looking to support similar socialist policies while at the same time trying to label their opponents as the "real nazis"
Again, with the horseshoe theory, there's very little difference between the two in how they operate.
That was ostensibly the plan, but Hitler realized, after coming to power, that he needed the rich families' money and loyalty. So he allowed them to exist and in fact funneled very lucrative deals their way. slave labour, opening up markets in france etc, etc. The reichsmark was set at a fixed rate very favourable toward the franc.
>>532239 Stalin wanted war in Europe but he didn't want to start it.
His entire plan was to make Germans and French fight WW1 v2 and then conquer what's left from it.
Britain was to be put down by invasion of India through Afghanistan which can be deducted from #1 archives, #2 enormous amount of aerial photos made in the region by Soviet airforce, likely for the purpose of cartography and planning.
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