>>527259 >Were a extremely vague group of people with radically different views on Christ, salvation and God just a monolithic cult that is obsessed with gaining money and power or was there more to it? Even to this day, christfags are still spreading lies and slander about gnostics
>>527259 Scientology barrows greatly from Thelma, which in turn itself barrows greatly from forms of gnosticism. Scientology is still bullshit, but some of their practices are interesting. I wish they were so obviously a scam, because they stand a chance of becoming mainstream if they were so fucking stupid.
The main difference between scientology and gnosticism are end goals. Gnosticism says (generally) that there is a duality and you have to escape the material world and the only way to do that is through some form of hidden knowledge and power. Scientology says we are all plagued by spirits and our goal is to purify ourselves and become "Clear". Though the focus on higher levels of initiation and doctrinal secrets prevails they are very much two very different ideologies. Gnosticism is of course a blanket term for a fuck ton of different beliefs, from jewish gnosticism to hellenistic gnosticism, hermeticism, gnostic christianity, and so on. Some of them were even utterly satanic in nature. Gnosticism was generally viewed as a fringe mystery cult. Scientology is viewed as a scam and even though it is a mystery religion it really doesn't hold much prevalence in society. Scientology doesn't even have as much of a cosmology as gnosticism had. Gnosticism had a plethora of gods and goddess other forms had emanations of god, or a hierarchical structure. Scientology has it's ayy lmao stuff but outside of alien spirits and reincarnation the concept of gods and angels are left up to personal belief.
>>527314 Probably because in the modern age anyone has access to Gnostic texts, the history of early Christianity, etc. Plus new findings and scholarship are always being made in the field, and never in a way that seems amicable to the Church's version of the story.
>>527314 >>527332 True but they are like beating a dead horse already at this point of time. Plus phrases like 'secular gnosticism' gets invented and tossed around to blame everything christians think is wrong in the West on gnosticism really confounds me. Gnosticism seem to be the religious boogeyman to christians
some had the logic of calling upon the highest to command or commune with lesser powers, this was also a large part of western magic and hermeticism, the idea that you call upon the authority of god to perform magic, and that the outcome depends on the will of the most high alone, which basicaly is kind of the vill with a capial V in systems like thelema
>>527356 >Gnosticism seem to be the religious boogeyman to christians It was probably their biggest threat (outside domestic issues like Arianism). I mean one of them was a hair away from becoming Pope.
>>527394 True but Gnosticism was esoteric in nature and could never be monolithic like Christianity (part of their charm desu). Plus Christainity inherently could never co-exist with other religious was what made see Gnosticism as a threat in the first place.
I think it is kinda ironic in some ways that Gnosticism was the Abel to Christianity's Cain. Even thought Cain was admired by gnostics...
>>527356 >Gnosticism seem to be the religious boogeyman to christians
Maybe because it's sort of become a catch-all term for "things the Church" doesn't want you to know. In lots of modern media, gnosticism is presented as a cooler, hidden form of Christianity, and lots of people have started using it as a vague term for some mystical religion they see as a more correct version of "the Truth" that's been hidden by organized religion. I see that kind of shit on this board all the time.
It's pretty reasonable that there will still be commentary about it, since it's become babby's first reaction against Christianity.
What?? These are like the literal opposites of gnostics...?? Although maybe they are Gnostic? Tyrannical usurer-priests who believe all people outside their tribe to be cattle, don't seem very gnostic to me. I thought gnostic with a lower g only applied to Christians who believed that Buddha and Zoroaster also revealed real spiritual truth...?
>>527895 I mean Gnostic as in "having knowledge", primarily the belief if Spirit VS matter, and knowing about the demiurge / different creation myth.
It's hard to explain. Pharisees Talmud Jews are "gnostic" in the ensemble they know about Archons / Demiurge and use ritual craft the whole bit. They hated Jesus, and they even worshipped Molech and stuff, and a lot of the magical systems came from the lineage of Cain and Thoth from the Babylonian Talmud
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