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>2016
>not realising that orthodoxy, catholicism and protestantism are like father, son and the holy spirit, respectively

top keke
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>>526942
>The Father is God
>God is the Son
>Therefore the Father is not the Son
Toppei kekku senpai
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And I thought Branch Theory was an extreme position.
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>>526951
>God has to work inside of the laws of logic
Kekeke
>>526955
Reddit.com
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>>526942
So because a picture says so, that makes it a fact?

You guys are worse than the people you accuse of taking the Bible too literally
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>>526978
>God is illogical
Damn skippy, friendo
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>>526994
Formal logic is the invention of greek philosophy and metaphysics. It's easily conceivable that anything supernatural doesn't fit into human categories.
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>>526994
God is superlogical :^)
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>>526942
Thank fuck there's anabaptism.
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>>526951
The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are different facets of the same God
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>>527099
Do not forget work ship him, goi
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>>527099
> facets
that's partialism. try again you fucking heretic.
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>>527209
At least he is consider them-self as serf of an god Sabaoth.
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>>527223
I wish the trinity could be explained easily. Partialism works for some forms of Hinduism, but I'm not even sure if calling the trinity "divine expressions" would be correct because they're more than expressions since they're persons, Aka it doesn't make sense, not to imply it's wrong, but out of our comprehension.
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>>526942
No...just no.
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>>526978
>I can take any mythological being and say logic doesn't apply to it so it must be real
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>>527261
It has contrived explanations based around it because it's a bad idea.
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>>527099
That's wrong since any one of the persons acting alone is also the Lord God Himself, not 1/3 of Him.
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>>527758
They are not 1/3 of God, just different expressions of Him
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>>527784
The persons are three distinct persons of one eternal being that is God and "we are obliged by Christian truth to acknowledge every Person singly to be God and Lord, so too are we forbidden by the Catholic religion to say that there are three Gods or Lords".
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Since God came before Jesus, the father is superior to the son.
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>>527360
It would be better if you rephrased this in your own words and included the journal as a reference rather than spamming the same image day in day out
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>>527893
It's difficult on a phone so you must bear with it I'm afraid. But just google ANS Lane and you can find the paper easily for free download.
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>>528134
Who are you quoting?
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>>528134
Be born into a Muslim family
>be a Christian after going through a phase of atheism
Topkekku, get a less fallacious argument next time.
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>>527829
God the Son came before Jesus Christ.
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>>528147
Not uncommon, your still religious, and experiencing what adolescent psychologist describe as rebellious to your home environment. Not at all uncommon for you to trade in your families religion for another one. You are still very much a statistic.
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>>528160
>Atheist
>experiencing what adolescent psychologist describe as rebellious to your home environment
You are also a statistic m8. Stop being stupid please.
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>>528226
I'm not an atheist. I'm an agnostic secularist. I think it takes a whole lot of ego to stake the claim you have a "personal relationship" with a claimed creator of infinite time and space. A WHOLE LOT of EGO
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>>528237
>Faith based on humility and a recognition of not deserving the gifts God give us
>EGO!
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You must be Anglican
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>>528275
>based on humility

riiiight. because your churches are filled with these kinds of people. Seriously, how does one romanticize the world into this kind of ethos?
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>>528134
>What is faith
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>>528237
>I think it takes a whole lot of ego
i think it takes a low self esteem to not claim it
>IM JUST A KIIID! AND LIFE IS A NIGHTMARE!!
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>>528405

Humans are subject to many factors and forces that affect their decisions. It is more accurate to say: Within the limits of their information and understanding, restricted by available options, guided by their references and tastes, humans attempt to make rational choices.

Indeed, I understand "why" people chose faith. It's a rational choice within their limitations to existential questions. Collide this with their desires, tastes, and personal preferences, it could all come together to appear very rational.

Religion offers things most people very much desire and does so with considerable plausibility.

In any event, given the limitations, it is hardly irrational for most people to believe in religion, even if they are wrong.
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>>528134
*tips
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>>528429
see>>528432
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>>526942
>Not realising all religions are men made.
Top kek OP
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It's like poetry, it rhymes.
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>>526951

Mark Hamil is the joker and Luke Skywalker.

The Joker is not Luke Skywalker.

That represents different ways god appears.

And i'm not a christian.
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>>527099
We Brahma now.
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>>528432
This post was too high brow for the Christians in this thread. Also, if I'm not mistaken, you are quoting the sociologist Rodney Stark, good stuff.
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>>526942
This seems kinda like a sausage fest 2bh.
Unless the Holy Spirit is a qt grill?
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>>528149
So does that mean that people are actually praying to God the Son and not Jesus Christ? Does that mean Jesus Christ doesn't exist anymore because he relates on the earthly incarnation form?
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>>528576
I meant in the sense that The Son was present before the birth of our Lord of the Blessed Virgin Mary, as conceived by the Holy Spirit, not that Jesus and The Son of God are different things entirely.
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>>526942
Here's a imaginative illustration.
Pretend the universe is a video game, like sandbox universe2, God is the designer and He'd programmed the engine to run independently while giving Him the option to intervene.
Now, God created a human on world with himself as player, unlike the other humans/characters, Thus: fully human and fully Divine.
Following this example, programming a code as the holy spirit under the control of God doesn't sound too outlandish.
There you go. Three in one.
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>>528642
i've been drinking and I can't tell if this is brilliant or the most retarded thing I've ever read
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No, they are not. The Son and the Spirit don't dissent with the Father.

>>527099
>Sabellianism
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>>530570
>Not depicted, Rabbinical Judaism, Samaritanism, non-Rabbinical Judaisms
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>>530576
>Not depicted

Yes they are; at the bottom.
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>>530570
>there are no heretical Christians
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>>530630
Heresy is believing unchristian things, so how can you be a heretic if you are a Christian?
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>Falling for the trinitarianism meme

You realized the Catholics invented this, right?
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>>530670
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
- 1 John 5:7
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>>530670
Yeah but they nicked it from Plato t-b-h sempai
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>>530671

>New King James
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>>526942
MODALISM
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>>530684
Oh wow, YHWH is modally real. That's why he speaks to me, and agrees with everything I believe.
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>>530682
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
- Psalm 12:6
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>>530671
Added later. Not canon.
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>>530728
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

- Matthew 3:16-17

>Jesus - Son
>Spirit of God - Holy Spirit
>a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son - Father
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>>530655
Heresy is specifically improper Christianity. If you aren't a Christian, you cannot be a heretic. Subscribing to prosperity gospel, for instance, is heresy, but not apostasy.
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>>530780
"Improper Christianity" isn't Christianity tho.

That's what makes it "improper."
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>>530790
No, it's still Christianity. To not be Christian altogether is being a heathen.
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>>530810
Someone who is an "improper Christian" is clearly not "Christian altogether" or else you would just call them a "Christian."

You literally just said heresy is still Christianity...
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>>530823
Yes. Lutherans are heretics, for instance, but still Christians.
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>>526942
How do you do your god trinity? How health? We did not receive messages from him ~>2000 years. Bible seems complete. There is not new childs of god of chistianity. We worry, maybe they all dead from senility.
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>>530827
A Christian is someone who lives in Christ which means they will go heaven.

A heretic is someone who believes things which prevent them from living a Christian life and thus they will not enter heaven.

Christians and heretics are mutually exclusive categories.

To say that heretics are Christian destroys the meaning of both words.
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>>530861
>I know who and who will not go to heaven
Guess what? You're a heretic.
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>>530867
Are you my judge?

All Christians will be saved.

You ought to study the Scriptures more.
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>>530878
No, there have been plenty of awful Christians, and we don't know if all non-Christians will be condemned, because we cannot know who is really inside or outside the Church. Some people might look like their inside of it, but in fact be outside, and vice versa.
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>>530878
Salvation depends only on God, perhaps everyone but you is saved, perhaps noone is saved, perhaps all are saved, perhaps everyone but you is saved
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>>530881
>No

Holy Scripture > Tripfag opinions

>we don't know if all non-Christians will be condemned

Someone who is a "non-Christian" obviously does not have Christ in their life. If they do not have Christ in their life then they will not be saved.

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
- 1 John 5:12
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>>530887
All who believe in Christ are saved.
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>>530891
You don't know if they have Christ in their life.
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>>530893
>Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
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>>530898
How can a "non-Christian" have Christ in their life?

If they have Christ in their life, then they cannot be a non-CHRISTian...
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There is nothing particularly special about this level of mental gymnastics for anyone's religious beliefs.
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>>530906
Those who just say "Lord, Lord" are not Christians.

A Christian is someone who "doeth the will of [Christ's] Father."
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>>530790
A squirrel that likes to sleep in the road is a shitty squirrel but still a squirrel
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>>527015
Describe something that defies the logical absolutes if you will.
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>>530909
They wouldn't even exist if Christ weren't sustaining them constantly with his love.
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>>530891
Уou are christian hating an another christian, you are poor.
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>>530950
A squirrel has no choice but to be a squirrel because he is born that way.

A Christian must choose to be a Christian because he is born a sinner.
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>>530957
Only Christians have eternal life.

>>530958
I am poor but I only hate those who hate God.
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>>530909
>How can a "non-Christian" have Christ in their life?
As "non-rabbit" can have rabbit into their life, so non-chistian can have Jesus into life of them-self. Using gospel as philosophy, and pictures of Jesus for inspiration.
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>>530970
>Only Christians have eternal life
Be careful. The greatest sin is pride. Just as pride alone was enough to cause the fall of Satan, so humility alone is enough for salvation. The meek shall inherit the earth.

>I am poor but I only hate those who hate God.
That is murder.
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>>530970
Antique Christians before Jesus of Nazareth did not care about "eternal life" so much as you. Eternal life can be unpleasant in place where one human hate another human.
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>>530978
If you know who Jesus is and allow Him into your life, then you are a Christian. If you do not know who Jesus is, then you cannot "use the Gospel for philosophy," because you haven't understood its message.

You either dedicate your life to Christ or you don't; there is no middle ground.

>>530988
Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
- Psalm 139:21

I must make sleepings now but I will be having prayers for those of yuo who still are struggling.

Goodnight.
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>>531005
>Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
God's people are held to a much higher standard with the NT. Can't have multiple wives, can't stone people, can't hate.
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>>526978
Retard.com
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>>527099
so god has 3 faces instead of 7?
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>>530923
This destroys sola Fide
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>>528548
kinda is, yeah.
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>>528642
I'm also a fan of Lewis's "hyperperson" explanation.

Imagine a 3 dimensional cube interacting with a 2 dimensional universe. The 2 dimensional universe would only experience a 2 dimensional square. Whenever the cube interacted with the world in a different way, it would still be the entire cube interacting, but the universe would only percieve a different square appearing.

God, we know, is at least a 4-dimensional entity, who transcends our notion of time, because he's external to it, and created it.

It only stands to reason that the notion of "personages" would apply differently to such an entity.
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>>532671
>It only stands to reason that the notion of "personages" would apply differently to such an entity.

I don't see why. Even if you were talking about 200 dimensions a distinct being is still a distinct being. Making a bad analogy and then proudly proclaiming your bad analogy makes something 'stand to reason' is nonsensical.
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>>532630
>Wikipedia
Pleb detected.

http://catholicism.academic.ru/19169/The_Blessed_Trinity

http://catholicism.academic.ru/19169/The_Blessed_Trinity

http://catholicism.academic.ru/19169/The_Blessed_Trinity
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>>532762
I'm on your side on this. Plus this is the only way Sola Fide can include works into Salvation and say that the individual doesn't do them in the first place. Why? Because he is mind controlled by God.
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They're just different interpretations of teachings of the same dead kike.
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>>533664
>a face of the Godhead
>dead
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>2016
>people actually still believing in a magical sky fairy

retards
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>>528533
i have to aplaude the way you just explained that. you kicked six theologicans asses that tried to explain that during my highschool years
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>>535708

I like the way it implies the Holy Spirit and Jesus are fictional characters.
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>>533870
He's being fossilized at best tbqh familia.
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>>535708
It's a neat explanation, but actually not in accord with Christian doctrine. The persons of the Trinity are not simple roles or masks, but distinct persons. They talk to each other.
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>>536030
If the Joker, Mark Hamill and Luke Skywalker were all distinct, real persons, simultaneously existing, but they had the same soul, that would be a closer analogy.
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>>536030
>>536030
so is christianity a polytheistic religion rather than a monotheistic religion?
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>>536041
Not exactly. Saint Paul says Christ is the same charaktér as God. This means to be an exact reproduction...different from man, who is an ειkόνα (icon) of God, or Plato who sees goodness as an eidos (form, or idol) of God. Here it means an exact reproduction.

So isn't that polytheism? Well, nope, in this case, it literally can't be, because being an exact stamp of God means you have to have every single of his characteristics. One of those is uncreated, so Christ, though begotten, is uncreated. Another is being singular, the only God (God is not material, so his quality work differently). So Father begets the Son, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, but they all have a single Being. But they are distinct persons, meaning they have distinct personalities. But the essential quality of what defines someone is the their Being, their Essence. And there is only one Essence known as "God", but there are three persons known as "God".
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