>not realising that orthodoxy, catholicism and protestantism are like father, son and the holy spirit, respectively
I wish the trinity could be explained easily. Partialism works for some forms of Hinduism, but I'm not even sure if calling the trinity "divine expressions" would be correct because they're more than expressions since they're persons, Aka it doesn't make sense, not to imply it's wrong, but out of our comprehension.
The persons are three distinct persons of one eternal being that is God and "we are obliged by Christian truth to acknowledge every Person singly to be God and Lord, so too are we forbidden by the Catholic religion to say that there are three Gods or Lords".
Not uncommon, your still religious, and experiencing what adolescent psychologist describe as rebellious to your home environment. Not at all uncommon for you to trade in your families religion for another one. You are still very much a statistic.
I'm not an atheist. I'm an agnostic secularist. I think it takes a whole lot of ego to stake the claim you have a "personal relationship" with a claimed creator of infinite time and space. A WHOLE LOT of EGO
Humans are subject to many factors and forces that affect their decisions. It is more accurate to say: Within the limits of their information and understanding, restricted by available options, guided by their references and tastes, humans attempt to make rational choices.
Indeed, I understand "why" people chose faith. It's a rational choice within their limitations to existential questions. Collide this with their desires, tastes, and personal preferences, it could all come together to appear very rational.
Religion offers things most people very much desire and does so with considerable plausibility.
In any event, given the limitations, it is hardly irrational for most people to believe in religion, even if they are wrong.
So does that mean that people are actually praying to God the Son and not Jesus Christ? Does that mean Jesus Christ doesn't exist anymore because he relates on the earthly incarnation form?
I meant in the sense that The Son was present before the birth of our Lord of the Blessed Virgin Mary, as conceived by the Holy Spirit, not that Jesus and The Son of God are different things entirely.
Here's a imaginative illustration.
Pretend the universe is a video game, like sandbox universe2, God is the designer and He'd programmed the engine to run independently while giving Him the option to intervene.
Now, God created a human on world with himself as player, unlike the other humans/characters, Thus: fully human and fully Divine.
Following this example, programming a code as the holy spirit under the control of God doesn't sound too outlandish.
There you go. Three in one.
Heresy is believing unchristian things, so how can you be a heretic if you are a Christian?
>Falling for the trinitarianism meme
You realized the Catholics invented this, right?
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
- 1 John 5:7
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
- Psalm 12:6
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
- Matthew 3:16-17
>Jesus - Son
>Spirit of God - Holy Spirit
>a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son - Father
"Improper Christianity" isn't Christianity tho.
That's what makes it "improper."
Someone who is an "improper Christian" is clearly not "Christian altogether" or else you would just call them a "Christian."
You literally just said heresy is still Christianity...
How do you do your god trinity? How health? We did not receive messages from him ~>2000 years. Bible seems complete. There is not new childs of god of chistianity. We worry, maybe they all dead from senility.
A Christian is someone who lives in Christ which means they will go heaven.
A heretic is someone who believes things which prevent them from living a Christian life and thus they will not enter heaven.
Christians and heretics are mutually exclusive categories.
To say that heretics are Christian destroys the meaning of both words.
Are you my judge?
All Christians will be saved.
You ought to study the Scriptures more.
No, there have been plenty of awful Christians, and we don't know if all non-Christians will be condemned, because we cannot know who is really inside or outside the Church. Some people might look like their inside of it, but in fact be outside, and vice versa.
Holy Scripture > Tripfag opinions
>we don't know if all non-Christians will be condemned
Someone who is a "non-Christian" obviously does not have Christ in their life. If they do not have Christ in their life then they will not be saved.
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
- 1 John 5:12
How can a "non-Christian" have Christ in their life?
If they have Christ in their life, then they cannot be a non-CHRISTian...
Those who just say "Lord, Lord" are not Christians.
A Christian is someone who "doeth the will of [Christ's] Father."
Уou are christian hating an another christian, you are poor.
A squirrel has no choice but to be a squirrel because he is born that way.
A Christian must choose to be a Christian because he is born a sinner.
>How can a "non-Christian" have Christ in their life?
As "non-rabbit" can have rabbit into their life, so non-chistian can have Jesus into life of them-self. Using gospel as philosophy, and pictures of Jesus for inspiration.
>Only Christians have eternal life
Be careful. The greatest sin is pride. Just as pride alone was enough to cause the fall of Satan, so humility alone is enough for salvation. The meek shall inherit the earth.
>I am poor but I only hate those who hate God.
That is murder.
Antique Christians before Jesus of Nazareth did not care about "eternal life" so much as you. Eternal life can be unpleasant in place where one human hate another human.
If you know who Jesus is and allow Him into your life, then you are a Christian. If you do not know who Jesus is, then you cannot "use the Gospel for philosophy," because you haven't understood its message.
You either dedicate your life to Christ or you don't; there is no middle ground.
Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
- Psalm 139:21
I must make sleepings now but I will be having prayers for those of yuo who still are struggling.
>Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
God's people are held to a much higher standard with the NT. Can't have multiple wives, can't stone people, can't hate.
I'm also a fan of Lewis's "hyperperson" explanation.
Imagine a 3 dimensional cube interacting with a 2 dimensional universe. The 2 dimensional universe would only experience a 2 dimensional square. Whenever the cube interacted with the world in a different way, it would still be the entire cube interacting, but the universe would only percieve a different square appearing.
God, we know, is at least a 4-dimensional entity, who transcends our notion of time, because he's external to it, and created it.
It only stands to reason that the notion of "personages" would apply differently to such an entity.
>It only stands to reason that the notion of "personages" would apply differently to such an entity.
I don't see why. Even if you were talking about 200 dimensions a distinct being is still a distinct being. Making a bad analogy and then proudly proclaiming your bad analogy makes something 'stand to reason' is nonsensical.
I'm on your side on this. Plus this is the only way Sola Fide can include works into Salvation and say that the individual doesn't do them in the first place. Why? Because he is mind controlled by God.
It's a neat explanation, but actually not in accord with Christian doctrine. The persons of the Trinity are not simple roles or masks, but distinct persons. They talk to each other.
Not exactly. Saint Paul says Christ is the same charaktér as God. This means to be an exact reproduction...different from man, who is an ειkόνα (icon) of God, or Plato who sees goodness as an eidos (form, or idol) of God. Here it means an exact reproduction.
So isn't that polytheism? Well, nope, in this case, it literally can't be, because being an exact stamp of God means you have to have every single of his characteristics. One of those is uncreated, so Christ, though begotten, is uncreated. Another is being singular, the only God (God is not material, so his quality work differently). So Father begets the Son, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, but they all have a single Being. But they are distinct persons, meaning they have distinct personalities. But the essential quality of what defines someone is the their Being, their Essence. And there is only one Essence known as "God", but there are three persons known as "God".