What were the weirdest experiments that actually happened? Preferably from WWII era but everything is welcome.
That time Taser International got sheep high on meth then tased them to see if tasers worked on people who are on meth,
Russian experiments on keeping a dog's head alive after cutting it off from its body, and also on transplanting a dog's head and forepaws onto another dog.
Nah, nips experienced on bio weapons..also testing bombs and flamethrowers against live targets...humans.
Personally I think the weirdest and most interesting is the dog head experience...just think about they could do over 50 years ago..
We are only now trying it for humans seriously.
When, and I say when, scientists/surgeons get it working, it will change the world.
Timothy Leary was probably a CIA agent and the purpose of entire hippie drug experimenting during 60's and 70's was to hook American youth on drugs like LSD so they would lose interest in political activism
that's actually pretty grotesque
imagine that thing coming right towards you to kill you, and the last thing you see before death are peaceful eyes of the dog inside, watching you with love
Statins monkey bastard children.
It is a well known fact that the Soviet Union attempted to make Human Ape hybrids. It was done by putting a Human and Ape, each of the opposite gender to one another in a closest full of lube. General Secretary Stalin as leader of the Soviet nation decided to partake in these experiments so as to set the example for all proletariats living under the Soviet Union.
It may not be physically addictive in the sense that your body will shut down without it but it may be, like extract, psychologically addictive in the sense that you felt really well and really want to do it again.
It doesn't even work like that for the vast majority of people since it's so overwhelming and spiritual. It's actually a bit anti-addictive in that most people are not in a rush to do it again.
I doubt the CIA were trying to find a super addictive drug for the kids to get hooked on. They already had heroin. They were looking for an interrogation drug, a truth serum basically.
The United States Air Force developed a Metal Gear style mech to load nukes onto planes in the 1960s.
>let's waste gorillions of dollars on something that can be achieved by a forklift!
Well generally speaking, the Air Force has no fucking clue what it's doing. (That's coming from a member on active duty)
But in all seriousness, it was designed to keep the ammo troop safe from potential radiation poisoning.
Diones trying to govern Siracuse with platonian laws and phylosophy.
After six months, sick and tired of how people were constatly sabotating his efforts to build a better government he started killing people like every other tyrant.
It started as a thought experiment because round bodies would generate lift with it's entire fuselage, instead of just the wings mainly. It was more of trying to pioneer a new way of flight.
I remember reading years ago about the US trying to develop a weapon that would give everyone in the range of it homosexual urges which would distract them from the mission because they wanna suck their buddies cock.
Don't think it was ever actually used or tested but it was a pretty "interesting" weapon idea.
It was the Nazis who conducted experiments on hypothermia though, which was what the original guy said>>523654
Their findings are still used today and the ethics of doing that are much debated.
I guess no one else is going to get us good lab quality data on hypothermia by putting people in cold water until they scream with pain then trying out ways of heating them up.
a nuclear powered cruise missle that would deliver nuclear bombs and then fly around spewing radiation and destroying stuff with sonic booms until it ran out of fuel. Nobody was crazy enough to test fire it so they scrapped the program
>Their findings are still used today
>good lab quality data on hypothermia
Except they aren't - they are not scientifically sound.
did mengele ever actualy achieve anything?
the way i get it one of the basic things he was trying to figure out is how to cause multi-pregnancyes, like triplets, quadruplets
then theres that legend about him escaping to brazil and perfecting the proces in some village where people still have twins on average
The US wanted to set off a nuke on the Moon. The explosion would have been visible to the naked eye and lead to USSR surrendering like in Rocky 4 or some faggoty shit. Then they realized it would open the door to militarizing space and scrapped it
The entire outside world is a mystery to the average Joe in the US. I met a few who worked in my hometown and they were surprised it was not a crime-ridden socialist shithole. You could imagine the look on their faces when I told them the building I live in is older than their country. I have to assume their high-ranking generals are very much the same.
but this results in some hilarious shit, like the time some US soldiers got captured by north koreans and some of them chose to switch sides
now, any other human culture would naturaly assume the soldiers were coerced, tortured, threatened, or that they just chose to commit treason for simple human reasons like better food and treatment
but not americans
they were completely confused by this, this wasnt supposed to happen, how is it humanly possible for a american soldier to choose communism of all things, impossible, it must be the koreans, or even worse, the soviets, have developed some strange new technique or technology by which they can brainwash and reprogram people - it must be the only rational explanation!
so by cold war logic US had to respond by developing this on their own, so what they did was get CIA to get some dude who was a professor of psychology or something, former military, or such, cant remember now, to basicaly mindrape students in these special, 'trials', people would simply sit in a room facing him and talk
sound simple, enough, except the guy was a genuine sadist, and went way beyond and above the call of duty, and seriously fucked people up mentaly, one of them later becoming the unabomber
i mean they were just doing this to ordinary students, kids had no fucking chance
the conclusion of the experiment was basicaly that with enough screwing you can cause people to emotionaly colapse(what a revelation) and that more experiments are needed
>I mean, even your own link mentions the unreliability of that data...
My own link is a criticism of using the data, as is yours, criticisms that would not exist if other scientists weren't using the data...
I remember hearing about one really crazy weapon. It was basically a faggot bomb that the US designed during the Cold War. It was suppose to release chemicals that would turn enemy combatants and civilians gay and lower their moral. I'm not sure if it was real since it's so preposterous. Although if it was tested in California it would explain a lot.
It's not addictive in any sense
This might be hard to understand for someone who's never done LSD, but it's not something you can just pop and do at random (unless you're microdosing but that's more of a medicinal boost, like an LSD coffee)
There's a reason its called 'tripping'
Tolerance also builds fast. One dose of pure LSD that made you trip one day may not work in two days.
Mengele injected ink into patients eyes to see if you could artificially change their eye colour.
He also injected diseases into twins. Sometimes he only injected into one of the twins. When the injected twin died of whatever disease was the topic of the day, he instantly killed the other twin so that he could perform post mortem on both of them at the same time.
Once he sowed two twins together to see if he could artificially produce conjoined twins.
Uhm, I'd like to dispute that. There are cases of people who have taken to the "other world" of tripping and prefer that one to this one. In a sense that is to become psychologically dependant on the drug. The jury is still out on Syd Barrett, but the conventional held thought is that it was LSD that did him in. The other band members said he was constantly tripping on LSD up until the point where that become his normal state of mind.
Personally, I believe it was LSD coupled with cannabis which can produce some bad trips.
sure but, do you have any idea of the ammounts of acid that it takes to acomplish that
i mean its not like theres a billion sid barretts in the world, wast mayority of people that trip do it a few times a year tops, maybe some students do a little more
not saying its safe or wathever, people have been known to go on psychotic episodes and shit like that, just that its a radical example
>a billion sid barretts in the world
That's a brilliant idea for a book!
>infinite trips and other dumb myths
I don't give a shit if your grandpas brothers wifes brothers daughters best friend who knew a guy online got 'stuck in a trip' or 'tripped so hard he prefers the alternate LSD reality now'
Nothing you can say can dispute this, LSD is not addictive. Corn is not addictive. Licking paper is not addictive. Do people still form addictions? No fucking shit they do, but for the 99.999999999999999% of us, it doesn't matter, because it's not habit forming. The amount of fucking acid you would need to do to end up like that is ridiculous.
>Nothing you can say can dispute this, LSD is not addictive. Corn is not addictive. Licking paper is not addictive.
That's just bullshit tho, because from the get go we were discussing both physical and psychological addictions. You can get addicted to corn. Fuck, I saw a documentary about a person who got addicted to potatoes.
So you're just wrong.
As I said, we were discussing possible psychological addictions from the get go. There are numerous cases of people getting addicted to drugs which aren't physically addictive because what they do to you. To ignore psychological addictions is to ignore half of addictions.
>Corn is not addictive. Licking paper is not addictive.
Bot of these can be addictive. Corn due to the sugar, and licking paper due to god knows what reason. There's people addicted to go as far as eating paper. The sugar addiction is a physical one while the other two are psychological ones.
the point is whether the addiction comes from the person's own messed up brain, or from the chemical itself
for things like meth and heroin psychological addiction is mostly from the drugs effects on reinforcement and reward pathways in the brain. obviously no one truly enjoys the bitter taste of dope or the feel of a needle on their own, but the drug creates the association
is someone becomes addicted to LSD its because they were fucked up already, just like if someone became addicted to corn. the original point was that LSD isn't an addictive substance and that point still stands
>the point is whether the addiction comes from the person's own messed up brain, or from the chemical itself
Wrong. That wasn't the point we're arguing at all. Sorry, but if so we're talking about two completely different things. To exclude the dangers of psychological addiction when discussing drugs is just sperging fucking autism.
>To exclude the dangers of psychological addiction when discussing drugs is just sperging fucking autism.
no its not
just because you're mentally unstable and have personal issues and latch onto everything doesn't mean the rest of us do
chemical addiction is a public health issue
psychological addiction is a personal health issue
> The original point was that LSD isn't an addictive substance and that point still stands.
It's true but it still doesn't go against the notion that someone may become (for whatever reason) addictive to LSD, may it be due to their mental health or whatever reason.
This very chart >>528773 says there's a chance, even if it's low, to get addicted (or be addicted to it).
> some village where people still have twins on average
That part is actually true.
All secret records from the surrounding governments indicate Mengele never lived there, though.
Yea it does, I'm not sure which aspect the graphs are focusing on, I've seen other which divide it between potential harm to used and and harm to others. I guess just don't take one graph one it's own as pure fact.
Not to mention LSD microdosing!
I hope to god that I can go buy LSD supplements by the time I'm 40.
It was because of an iron curtain. My dad has a told me a cool story about Russian experimentation during the cold war and the results. If anyone wants to hear about it I can green text.
Alcohol has been ingrained in almost every human society that has had the means to manufacture it.
The other drugs on the chart that don't predate advanced chemistry (tobacco, cannabis, khat, mushrooms) have only seen historically sporadic usage, and/or were limited to rituals or priestly/shamanic castes
No, but meth has extremely frequent dependency. LSD has neither physically addictive symptoms nor frequent cases of dependency. Regularity of use is just generally not the issue with problem psychedelic users, they don't break into people's houses for money to buy tabs. It's the dissociation and HPPD that affects their quality life afterward.
Probably one of the worst things I could imagine.t.
I have met people who do LSD far more frequently than is healthy (ie multiple times per week), so in some individuals there is definitely potential for abuse.
However, for the VAST majority, an acid trip is so intense and overwhelming that there is no desire to do it immediately afterward, even if the experience itself was a positive one.
Ugh, I give up. LSD can be addictive just like anything can be addictive. Over the course of history many people have become addicted to LSD just as many people having become addicted to Alcohol or ecstacy. Neither of which are inherently, chemically addictive but that is not the be all and end all of addiction. Accept this or ignore it, the latter will only be to the detriment of your own intellect.
>many people have become addicted to LSD just as many people having become addicted to Alcohol or ecstacy
u wot m8
>Neither of which are inherently, chemically addictive
What, are you referring to physical dependency, because this can occur with alcohol, but not with LSD.
It can occur?
I'm mistaken then. I do know that people can also become addicted to alcohol without actually becoming addicted to the dopamine, i.e. the chemicals. Rather they get addicted to just "feeling good", which is usually the dangers with most drugs.
Yea being addicted to 'feeling good' is psychological dependency. But if a heavy alcoholic just quits cold turkey they will get withdrawals and DT's, I've even heard that alcohol is actually the only drug were the withdrawals can kill you.
LSD is actually a serotonin analogue (same with mushrooms and mescaline), which is one of the three major neurotransmitters, pic related. i'm pretty sure it's not retarded to call LSD the equivalent of consuming some seretonin and temporarily having higher levels of this in your brain.
Humans found alcohol first.
Also, there was that whole prohibition thing.
But yeah, considering it on its own merits instead of social views, alcohol is on par with things like cocaine in terms of danger.
>Benzodiazepine withdrawal is close apparently
Yea i've heard that, like massive physical pain when you stop. I was actually on 1mg of clonazepam a while back, but i tapered the dose down, swapped to diazepam for like 2 weeks,then stopped, it's the half-life with benzo's that fuck it up. You just have to not be stupid about drugs, if you went from a high dose/large recreational dose and stop cold turkey you can have a seizure.
There's potentially going to be a human head transplant, some guy with muscular atrophy has volunteered.
Because whilst it kills the poor it does so after they have lived their most productive years and in those years keeps them from political activity
Meanwhile heroin and cocaine were lethal much quicker and so impacted productivity
Even then, neither is massively clamped down at the top end as it acts as super coffee (cocaine use is rampant in business execs and politicians) or for creativity (Amy winehouse own grandma went on national radio defending her heroin use)
>In November 1906, Richard Pearson Strong, then head of the Philippine Biological Laboratory, inoculated 24 men--inmates of Manila's Bilibid Prison--with a cholera vaccine that somehow had been contaminated with plague organisms; 13 men died.
I'd guess that graph includes some sort of measure for the potential of psychological dependence, rather than just physical dependence, see marijuana (which isn't doesn't have physical dependence potential)
Well it is pretty fun, but the short duration would seem to prevent someone from being hardcore into it I guess. maybe it's just referring to people doing it daily or something, not actually all day though.
Definitely seems like the consensus, but how you do it makes a fairly big difference too, with eating it<smoking it<IV
Injecting shit is the fast track way to get fucked up
t. someone who's done a couple of different hard drugs 2-3 times, but never IV.
Yeah. It's not called "The king of drugs" by many for no reason. It's highly addictive and abuse will destroy your liver. Opiates in general are no bueno in that regard, but heroin hits way harder than morphine and other common opiates.
Fentanyl is more potent, but it's hard to get and it's much easier to OD.
No, the experiment was done by inseminating female apes with human male sperm, it was done by a soviet scientist in the Congo irc. The project was stopped before they could try inseminating human females with ape sperm.
There are many things to say on these experiments, firstly that the famous video where they bring the dog back alive is partly fake (as part of soviet propaganda). The USSR was free of most ethical concerns regarding scientific experiment (like when they tried to make Human/simian hybrid), but I read one of the objective of these machines was to do something "productive" of the thousands of russian men killed in the early phases of WWII, so the medics could retrieve blood/organs of freshly deceased soldiers by keeping them "running".
Just look at how fucking retarded the original hippie generation was
Then look at how retarded modern day hippies are
Acid gives people an undeserved sense of self-importance/depth and detaches them from true reality
Most of the people i've met who do lsd regularly are self described Marxists, while never having read any of his works and knowing absolutely nothing about economics or politics
It definitely makes people more gullible and easily manipulated
>t. guy who sold acid for 8 years