Numerous passages in the Bible portray Jesus clearly stating that the Second Coming would occur within the lifetime of his disciples.
>"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
— Matthew 24:34
"This generation" refers to a span of 30-40 years, thus placing the date of the second coming before the deaths of the disciples. C.S. Lewis called this "the most embarrassing verse in the Bible" in The World’s Last Night and Other Essays.
Three more verses explicitly state that some of the people listening to Jesus as he preached would not die before he returned.
>"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
— Matthew 16:28
>"And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power."
— Mark 9:1
>"But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God."
— Luke 9:27
Jesus also told people that "the time is short and they should not get married, not mourn, not be happy, not buy things, and not live "in the world". This again indicates that Jesus himself believed his return to be extremely imminent. (1 Corinthians 7:29-31, 1 Peter 4:7)
Later on, followers began to make up ad-hoc excuses for why it hasn't happened yet. Trying to interpret what Jesus said, that his return was "imminent" and "at hand", as "thousands of years from now". (2 Peter 3)
>"This generation" refers to a span of 30-40 years, thus placing the date of the second coming before the deaths of the disciples. C.S. Lewis called this "the most embarrassing verse in the Bible" in The World’s Last Night and Other Essays.
no, that's your opinion. generation can mean people of like mind or character... in this case, all believers in Christ. and believers in Christ still exist
>Mat 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
some do see him coming in his kingdom in the very next verse... Peter, James and John with the transfiguration
same with Mark 9:1
same with Luke 9:27
Paul wrote Corinthians, Peter wrote 1 Peter. they didn't know when Jesus was to come back, after he had ascended. but their words remain true today, because time could well be short for us. bear in mind Abraham was 2500 years before Christ, we're only 2000 years after christ... so using a biblical timeline, we're still in the "time has grown short" period
I'll just quote it.
> Later on, followers began to make up ad-hoc excuses for why it hasn't happened yet. Trying to interpret what Jesus said, that his return was "imminent" and "at hand", as "thousands of years from now". (2 Peter 3)
>Except he didn't say it's gonna happen "thousands of years from now" you lying cunt
I'll just quote it.
>Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.... But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a THOUSAND years, and a thousand years as one day
The Second Coming already happened. It ''foretold'' Titus Flavius Vespasianus' destruction of the Jewish Temple. Pic related, the God Christians worship unknowingly
Oh FUCK, it's YOU.
Warning to all in this thread: this guy has been shilling the Flavian Conspiracy on /lit/ for YEARS. I know it's the same guy because he's done it so often I recognize his writing style and his style of replying to comments. Also his repeated reference to the whole thing as a 'joke' clearly marks him as the same guy.
He'll yammer your ear off about this totally ridiculous notion, which even atheists find embarrassing.
Not really, no. That's a gross error. In the OT you there are Assyrian and Babylonian kings punishing Israelites for their sins and acting as vessels of God, that doesn'm mean they are Gods themselves, or even the good guys.
I haven't started a thread about this in all these years. So shilling isn't the relevant word. ''Often'' isn't relevant either, as I posted about this maybe a dozen times in a few years, when I happened to see a relevant thread. It seems you're just upset about having your ass handed back to you a few years ago. I suggest you get over it. Have a good night
Did any of these vessels claim to be the Son of a God? Were any of these vessels sent by his Divine Father to do his Works? Did any of these vessels destroy the Temple and then replace it with his own body (through the Fiscus Judaicus, the Jewish Temple tax was hereafter paid directly to Caesar)?
εὐαγγέλιον was a technical term of the Imperial Cult, the Church' hierarchy takes its origin from the Roman republic and all the oldest archaeological proofs of Christianity comes from Rome. pic related, the oldest artistic depiction of Jesus Christ. It's an satiric one
Call him a vessel if you wish, Titus Flavius is the Son of God worshiped by Christians, may they like it or not.
Divine as a Son of God? And every other parallels?
the norse said a long ass winter would come and the world would end it never did just like revelations will never happen are just cool stories
>till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
And the kingdom of Heaven is within you as Jesus said. It is a state of mind and spiritual being similar to nirvana or enlightenment.
Gospel of Thomas saying 37: His disciples said: On what day will you be revealed to us, and on what day shall we see you? Jesus said: When you unclothe yourselves and are not ashamed, and take your garments and lay them beneath your feet like the little children (and) trample on them, then [you will see] the Son of the Living One, and you will not be afraid.
Christianity is the same kind of charismatic doomsday cult like dozens of other we've seen in our days except: They didn't all kill themselves with Jebus and the cult survived the death of charismatic leader despite the points OP mentioned.
It was, err, metaphorical. I mean I know it seems super literal, but really totes a metaphor
Also, in 1 Thessalonians Paul clearly states that when Jesus comes again the dead will be resurrected and ascended into heaven together with those of them who are still alive.
1 Thessalonians 4:17
>After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
>He did return. But nobody was worth saving, we are living on the apocalypse anon. We have been for nearly 2000 years.
I've sometimes wondered if this was true. Like nobody knew they were living during the 'migration period' or 'high middle ages' or 'antebellum america'. That woeld mean Islam is the Abomination of Desolation, and Kim Kardashian is the whore of something, if not Babylon.
Apocalypse has a very clear etymological basis. Prefix 'apo' is the equivalent of 'un' in English, and Calypso was the nymph that hid Ulysses all these years in the Odyssey. It means literally unhide, unveil, to reveal what is hidden. This is why the Apocalypse of John is called the Book of Revelations. There is no end time involved in the Jesus story, it's a lie invented by the clergy to control the masses.
As I understand it, Christianity spread so quickly because there was a pervasive feeling that the world was falling apart in the Roman Empire and Christianity brought the promise of a kingdom of heaven. All Christians at the time thought this kingdom would come very soon.
>Today's society is so degenerate and relativist. This is why we need God's absolute moral law.
>What about this verse it says killing children for [trivial act] is justified?
>OH MY GOD YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF ANCIENT ISRAEL IT WAS OKAY BACK THEN BUT GOD CHANGED EVERYTHING
>hurr durr he was talking about a temple
If you actually read passages it is very clear he isn't. Unless seeing a bunch of crazy shit happen is another way of saying "the temple will be destroyed" AFTER you've already explained the temple will be destroyed.