I figure that Poland would have been seen as an easy first target, think of it as a way to prepare your soldiers for the coming conquest, you need to give your soldiers experience quickly, and give them a moral boost on top of it, make them feel like "yea, we are the shit aren't we?"
>>518698 The agreement the Western Allies made with the Soviet Union during the war was that the liberated nations would have their own elected governments (of these liberated, only Czechoslovakia and Poland really succeeded in this). But by the time the Soviets launched their coup in Czechoslovakia and tightened its grip on Poland everybody was absolutely exhausted from the war, so nobody really pushed the issue.
Most importantly, why didn't the allies declare war on the Soviet Union? >The German invasion began on 1 September 1939, one week after the signing of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, while the Soviet invasion commenced on 17 September following the Molotov-Tōgō agreement that terminated the Russian and Japanese hostilities in the east on 16 September. The campaign ended on 6 October with Germany and the Soviet Union dividing and annexing the whole of Poland under the terms of the German-Soviet Frontier Treaty. >The invasion of Poland led Britain and France to declare war on Germany on 3 September. However, they did little to affect the outcome of the September Campaign. No declaration of war was issued by Britain and France against the Soviet Union.
>>518752 You try convincing the American, British or French publics to support starting a third World War. The first had just concluded a two-front-war, the second was still rationing food and the third had been occupied and devastated by war.
>>518765 Basically, the entire reason why the British gave Poland bogus guarantees of territorial integrity was to have Poland defeated by Germany and thus create German-Soviet border that would lead to conflict. Stalin would be forced to ally with the Brits and win the war for them. It's what the British have always done - fight their wars by other people's hands. They realized Poland was too weak to fight the war for them, so they needed to draw Stalin in.
This is the same reason why the West have given no help at all to Finland when it was invaded by the Soviets during the Winter War - they wanted to stay on Stalin's good side, as they realized they'd soon need him.
>>519792 He didnt say it was either good or bad, just said thats why he invaded. Stop shilling so hard. At that point they werent exterminating jews, it was before the caliphate got pissed about the offer to send them off to palestine.
>>520031 They had to ally with the soviets, because otherwise it would have been a guaranteed loss for the allies. Forgiving the soviets for the invasion was the best solution for the allies to win the war.
Hitler was pissed off by the treaty of Versailles that not only made Germany loose the Prussian terrains, and it also brought back countries like Poland and Czechoslovakia to the map, taking away precious resources of coal and steel in Silesia. Poland, after the Polish-Bolshevik war of 1919-1921 gain Hitler's respect (mostly to gen. Pilsudski)
Germany offered deals to Poland but they refused. Danzig and east Prussia was the main matter, hitler wanted a corridor for the Germans, but Poland refused (after 123 years of being occupied, there was one thing in the mind of poles - to trust no one.)
Hitler was like "ah, you cheeky cunt, i had gain Saar, Austria, Sudeten and you won't obey? Brace yourself, you little shit"
Meanwhile, Stalin - after sending most of his army command to death or gulags was buying time, Ribbentrop-Molotov pact was the result - Splitting Poland in half was a gain for both of the leaders - not only got rid of that little, new country on the pathway, bud also robbed their ego's - Germany was like "take that for saying no to the reich!" and USSR was still butthurt after the loss 20 years earlier.
In Britain, people got fed up with Chamberlain who was basically acting like Sweden today. So just before september '39 they were like "oy m8! that tosser promised peace, lets see who's left ova 'ere - Poland - Dodgy fellas but quite western, eh? Tell 'em that the 'ol lion will have their back... those twats south of the channel aswell"
Poland was the 5th strongest army in the world back then, but for ww1 standards, so it was like a well fortified wooden shack, until somebody with a flamethrower showed up.
So he should have held off until he miraculously found a giant hidden petroleum reserve under Berlin which would enable him to somehow magically invade and occupy Britain, then through sorcery manage to sustain the German economy and resources in a naval war of attrition with the US long enough to coerce them to agree to peace, and all that while holding off an inevitable Soviet invasion?
>>518765 Short version is that Germany was seen as the greater threat. Germany was being far more aggressive in threatening the balance of power in Europe, so much so that even the universally despised communists in Russia seemed to be the lesser evil.
Everyone pretty much saw that war was coming, including Stalin. Stalin, recognizing that he was threatened in both Asia and Europe by vehemently anti-communist powers (Germany, Japan, and China) was working hard to get some kind of guarantee that he would only ever have to face a war on one front. In Europe, he played the Anglo-French alliance off of the Germans, having them quite literally compete for the Soviet Union's favor in the inevitable war.
Efforts on the Allied side to get the Soviets to support them were hampered by Poland's refusal to allow Soviet troops to enter their country to fend off the Germans, while German efforts were stymied by the fact that they were literally leading an anticommunist alliance. While Russia wanted a buffer state in Europe, they had more pressing concerns in the Far East, where Japan threatened invasion. Had a definitive peace agreement with Japan not occurred, you'd have likely seen Stalin joining the Anglo-French alliance as a means to protect against a two-front war (against Japan and Germany). However, with Japan neutralized after Khalkhin Gol, the Far East was secured, and Russia decided they needed a buffer region to keep Germany off their border. Thus, the alliance with Germany was forged out of necessity.
The thing is, the Allies were still betting on Russia coming into the war at some point. Condemning their actions wasn't possible if they still wanted a friendly USSR to (eventually) join them, and it wasn't obvious to anyone but Germany that Russia was poised to enter the war against Germany eventually. Giving the Soviets a free ride was an unfortunate necessity to combat what was considered to be the greater evil.
>>521103 I fucking hate the: Hurr durr dont invade russia in the winter... He didnt, and he totally could have taken Russia, he would have had Stalingrad by the balls, had his generals not stopped him from going in so fast. Stalin had no men to reinforce Stalingrad, and the already were fucked from Crimea and the Talvisota. Germany could have taken Russia, easy.
>>521272 oversimplification perhaps but the fact is that turkish war of independence happened mainly because military generals and soldiers (just like hitler) returned from war feeling like they were betrayed by their countries and thought that the treaties dealt by the french and english were unacceptable, as such they rebelled. combined with greek and italian atrocities against the muslim turkish this turned into a nationwide rebellion.
in ottomans case the rebels had good leadership and organization so they were able to defeat the smaller states (greece, armenia, kurdish rebels) and scare away the big powers(england, italy, france)
>>518765 Britain had always hated Germany since its inception, because of it's heavy losses and investments in the first world war seeing Germany suddenly possibly become a major power again absolutely buttdevastated them considering they needlessly traded their Empire for a win in WWI and inevitably their inability to accept Germany internationally led to them losing their role as a major power completely in the post war era up until today
>>518612 He didn't really want to. He wanted a war against Russia. So he tried for several years to establish a Molotov-Beck pact. When he finally realized that the Poles would not go to war with him against Russia his policy shifted 180 and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact came about. He had to invade Poland in order to be able to invade Russia which is what he wanted all along. The whole Western front thing was from his perspective an accident. How was he supposed to know about the secret agreement between Britain and Poland or between France and Poland? And even if he knew, how was he supposed to take it seriously after Munich? When Britain and France declared war on Germany he was surprised.
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