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Why did he have to invade Poland? It's 1939 I mean, like really.
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>>518612

delicious lebensraum
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because of economic and ideologic reasons
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it was just a prank bro
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Farmland.
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>>518612

How else are you going to get to Russia to attack those godless Communists?
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I figure that Poland would have been seen as an easy first target, think of it as a way to prepare your soldiers for the coming conquest, you need to give your soldiers experience quickly, and give them a moral boost on top of it, make them feel like "yea, we are the shit aren't we?"
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>>518612
Murder of Germans in Poland.
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>>518681
WW2 confirmed RTS game the whole time.
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>>518686
Yup, its time the world acknowledges the REAL history
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>>518612
The funniest thing about all that Poland shit is that the allies got buttfrustrated about Hitler fucking up the country and later they let Russia do whatever it wanted to those poor souls.
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>>518684
>>>/lit/
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Basically the Treaty of Versailles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM1h_2ujsvs
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>>518698
The agreement the Western Allies made with the Soviet Union during the war was that the liberated nations would have their own elected governments (of these liberated, only Czechoslovakia and Poland really succeeded in this). But by the time the Soviets launched their coup in Czechoslovakia and tightened its grip on Poland everybody was absolutely exhausted from the war, so nobody really pushed the issue.
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>>518713
Smells like hypocrisy to me.
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Most importantly, why didn't the allies declare war on the Soviet Union?
>The German invasion began on 1 September 1939, one week after the signing of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, while the Soviet invasion commenced on 17 September following the Molotov-Tōgō agreement that terminated the Russian and Japanese hostilities in the east on 16 September.[14] The campaign ended on 6 October with Germany and the Soviet Union dividing and annexing the whole of Poland under the terms of the German-Soviet Frontier Treaty.
>The invasion of Poland led Britain and France to declare war on Germany on 3 September. However, they did little to affect the outcome of the September Campaign. No declaration of war was issued by Britain and France against the Soviet Union.
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>>518711
Except the whole part where the Germans annexed the entire country
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>>518765
somethin something international jewry
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>>518765
Hopefully you're being intentionally stupid
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>>518765
because their alliance with poland specified an attack by germany, which was seen as the far bigger threat in the run up to the war
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>>518752
You try convincing the American, British or French publics to support starting a third World War. The first had just concluded a two-front-war, the second was still rationing food and the third had been occupied and devastated by war.
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>>518765
Basically, the entire reason why the British gave Poland bogus guarantees of territorial integrity was to have Poland defeated by Germany and thus create German-Soviet border that would lead to conflict. Stalin would be forced to ally with the Brits and win the war for them. It's what the British have always done - fight their wars by other people's hands.
They realized Poland was too weak to fight the war for them, so they needed to draw Stalin in.

This is the same reason why the West have given no help at all to Finland when it was invaded by the Soviets during the Winter War - they wanted to stay on Stalin's good side, as they realized they'd soon need him.
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>>518769
Could be dealt later if there wasn't a World War.
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>>518612
>Why did he have to invade Poland?
The German economy under the NSDAP relied on constant capital injections to keep their overinvestment going.

Primitive reaccumulation by stripping the German working class had ceased early in the regime. The accumulation from the Czechs too had dried up.

To feed the Syndicats, Junkers and Generals, Hitler was forced to invade Poland.
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the greater question though is why did he hate commies so much. he should have at least made peace with russia until everything in the west was done.
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>>519125
>The German economy under the NSDAP relied on constant capital injections to keep their overinvestment going.

This.

You should read the book 'Wages of Destruction' by Adam Tooze. It's a history of the German economy before and during WW2, and he shows how economics influenced a lot of their decisions.
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>Treaty of Versailles
>need clay b0ss
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>>518684
>killing ethnic minorities is only bad when other countries do it!
do you just lap up whatever shit Goebbels spits out?
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>>519792
He didnt say it was either good or bad, just said thats why he invaded.
Stop shilling so hard.
At that point they werent exterminating jews, it was before the caliphate got pissed about the offer to send them off to palestine.
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>>520031
They had to ally with the soviets, because otherwise it would have been a guaranteed loss for the allies.
Forgiving the soviets for the invasion was the best solution for the allies to win the war.
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Oh boy, where to begin.

Hitler was pissed off by the treaty of Versailles that not only made Germany loose the Prussian terrains, and it also brought back countries like Poland and Czechoslovakia to the map, taking away precious resources of coal and steel in Silesia. Poland, after the Polish-Bolshevik war of 1919-1921 gain Hitler's respect (mostly to gen. Pilsudski)

Germany offered deals to Poland but they refused. Danzig and east Prussia was the main matter, hitler wanted a corridor for the Germans, but Poland refused (after 123 years of being occupied, there was one thing in the mind of poles - to trust no one.)

Hitler was like "ah, you cheeky cunt, i had gain Saar, Austria, Sudeten and you won't obey? Brace yourself, you little shit"

Meanwhile, Stalin - after sending most of his army command to death or gulags was buying time, Ribbentrop-Molotov pact was the result - Splitting Poland in half was a gain for both of the leaders - not only got rid of that little, new country on the pathway, bud also robbed their ego's - Germany was like "take that for saying no to the reich!" and USSR was still butthurt after the loss 20 years earlier.

In Britain, people got fed up with Chamberlain who was basically acting like Sweden today. So just before september '39 they were like "oy m8! that tosser promised peace, lets see who's left ova 'ere - Poland - Dodgy fellas but quite western, eh? Tell 'em that the 'ol lion will have their back... those twats south of the channel aswell"

Poland was the 5th strongest army in the world back then, but for ww1 standards, so it was like a well fortified wooden shack, until somebody with a flamethrower showed up.

Thats my drunken history.
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>>520373
Lovely.
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>>518789

Are you implying that the British had not been fighting a two-front war..?

They were in the Pacific too, you know.
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>>519150
>until everything in the west was done

So he should have held off until he miraculously found a giant hidden petroleum reserve under Berlin which would enable him to somehow magically invade and occupy Britain, then through sorcery manage to sustain the German economy and resources in a naval war of attrition with the US long enough to coerce them to agree to peace, and all that while holding off an inevitable Soviet invasion?
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>>521098
>implying the British did anything in the Pacific theater except managing to keep the Japanese out of India
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>>518681
The Sudetenland annexation was conducted as a military operation already.
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>>518765
Short version is that Germany was seen as the greater threat. Germany was being far more aggressive in threatening the balance of power in Europe, so much so that even the universally despised communists in Russia seemed to be the lesser evil.

Everyone pretty much saw that war was coming, including Stalin. Stalin, recognizing that he was threatened in both Asia and Europe by vehemently anti-communist powers (Germany, Japan, and China) was working hard to get some kind of guarantee that he would only ever have to face a war on one front. In Europe, he played the Anglo-French alliance off of the Germans, having them quite literally compete for the Soviet Union's favor in the inevitable war.

Efforts on the Allied side to get the Soviets to support them were hampered by Poland's refusal to allow Soviet troops to enter their country to fend off the Germans, while German efforts were stymied by the fact that they were literally leading an anticommunist alliance. While Russia wanted a buffer state in Europe, they had more pressing concerns in the Far East, where Japan threatened invasion. Had a definitive peace agreement with Japan not occurred, you'd have likely seen Stalin joining the Anglo-French alliance as a means to protect against a two-front war (against Japan and Germany). However, with Japan neutralized after Khalkhin Gol, the Far East was secured, and Russia decided they needed a buffer region to keep Germany off their border. Thus, the alliance with Germany was forged out of necessity.

The thing is, the Allies were still betting on Russia coming into the war at some point. Condemning their actions wasn't possible if they still wanted a friendly USSR to (eventually) join them, and it wasn't obvious to anyone but Germany that Russia was poised to enter the war against Germany eventually. Giving the Soviets a free ride was an unfortunate necessity to combat what was considered to be the greater evil.
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What was a bigger propaganda victory for Hitler, Czechoslovakia or Poland?
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Noone was Right so far. Did you even read mein kampf? Or any history book ever?

Hitler was wery different from prussians who saw Poland as enemy. He liked Poland and offers them various alliance options untill 1939.

Why would the want Poland as ally you might ask? Well there were two goals he had.

Punishing French and lebensraum in Russia.

Poland was allied with France at the time so he could not risk war at two fronts. He knew poles won't stay passive and attack him in case of germany invading France.

Once he finished dealing with frogs he planned to gang up with poles and fuck up bolsheviks

Poland refused all of his proposals and accepted British declarations in 1939. That's when he ordered to prepare plans for war against Poland since he was sure French won't do shit


THE END
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>>521103
I fucking hate the: Hurr durr dont invade russia in the winter...
He didnt, and he totally could have taken Russia, he would have had Stalingrad by the balls, had his generals not stopped him from going in so fast. Stalin had no men to reinforce Stalingrad, and the already were fucked from Crimea and the Talvisota.
Germany could have taken Russia, easy.
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germans attacked because the treaties made after ww1 were simply unacceptable to the losing states. they wanted to take back their lost territories and most of it was in poland
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>>521194
You realize that Barbarossa stalled in the Winter of '41 at Moscow, not '42 at Stalingrad, right? Fall Blau was part of the second summer offensive, long after Barbarossa had ended.
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>>521208
My bad, I just accidentally switched them out, because I was thinking of Stalin.
Still, point is, they could have taken Russia, pretty easily.
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>>521197
>that
>unacceptable
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>>521231
Its mostly about the whole Prussia thing, the treaty aspect.
Poland killing Germans because they wouldnt farm for 'em.
Kinda pisses a country off.
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>>521231
well it must have been unacceptable since it spawned a nationwide rebellion. turks were the only nation that denied the treaties made against them after the war, hitler wanted to follow suit
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>>521255
That's a gross oversimplification of what led up to the Turkish revolution.
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>>521239
/pol/ please leave
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>>521272
oversimplification perhaps but the fact is that turkish war of independence happened mainly because military generals and soldiers (just like hitler) returned from war feeling like they were betrayed by their countries and thought that the treaties dealt by the french and english were unacceptable, as such they rebelled. combined with greek and italian atrocities against the muslim turkish this turned into a nationwide rebellion.

in ottomans case the rebels had good leadership and organization so they were able to defeat the smaller states (greece, armenia, kurdish rebels) and scare away the big powers(england, italy, france)
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>>521298
Eh, you do not know about Prussia and Poland killing of Germans?
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>>521222

>pretty easily

I wouldnt go that far. They could have taken Russia, but the problem was that every Allied nation could (and did) suffer setbacks. No Axis nation could because they had limited resources.

It wouldnt have been easy at all.
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>>521222
>Still, point is, they could have taken Russia, pretty easily.
ebin
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>>518765
Britain had always hated Germany since its inception, because of it's heavy losses and investments in the first world war seeing Germany suddenly possibly become a major power again absolutely buttdevastated them considering they needlessly traded their Empire for a win in WWI and inevitably their inability to accept Germany internationally led to them losing their role as a major power completely in the post war era up until today
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>>518612
He didn't really want to. He wanted a war against Russia. So he tried for several years to establish a Molotov-Beck pact. When he finally realized that the Poles would not go to war with him against Russia his policy shifted 180 and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact came about. He had to invade Poland in order to be able to invade Russia which is what he wanted all along. The whole Western front thing was from his perspective an accident. How was he supposed to know about the secret agreement between Britain and Poland or between France and Poland? And even if he knew, how was he supposed to take it seriously after Munich? When Britain and France declared war on Germany he was surprised.
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>>521333
Provide pre war sources that are not gobbels propaganda.

PRE WAR SOURCES please
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>>521622
East Prussia was German land. Also the allies declared war first.
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>start shit
>lose shit
>start shit
>lose shit

Oh to be Germany.
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>>521434
>>521157
>>518792
>>518785
>>518777
>>518774
It basically boils down to
>the British are fucking greedy
the Eternal anglo meme is true.
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