There's been lots of debate over this topic, and I've

>>506463
As long as you weren't an jew or atheist you where OK. You would preferable been a Christian.

>>506463
>Was there really an effort to resurrect some sort of neo-pagan religion in Germany?

No. Hitler considered the neopaganists to be cranks, and said as much. There were a few members of the elite that were into it, but it was basically religious hipsterism and wasn't going anywhere, not the least because most Germans considered themselves to be at least nominally Christian. Being ambivalent about your Christianity is one thing, but going from that to "hail Wotan" would have been entirely beyond the pale.

>>506564
>Hitler considered the neopaganists to be cranks, and said as much.

That's because he was a megalomaniacal psychopath who wanted everyone to worship him.

>>506463
>Was there really an effort to resurrect some sort of neo-pagan religion in Germany?
There was a plan to do it after the war. Paganism was what they called the religion of the blood.
Also, there were attempts to mix Germanic/Celtic paganism with Middle-Eastern and Far-Eastern religions. You know, the first buddhist temple in Europe was in nazi Germany.

The religion aspect of nazi Germany is actually quite complicated, as most of the leading figures had their own idea of it.

>>506584
Actually, Hitler tried to limit his personal cult. Some time in the late 30s, they started some campaign to limit the use of name Adolf, which in the time was super popular. They tried to get the name of the nazi martyr Horst to be given to children instead of Adolf.

Hitler privately loathed Christianity, Catholicism in particular. He held a little admiration for Islam. Beyond that, I don't think religion played much of a part in Hitler's philosophy.

Not going off any direct source, but I do feel that he would have used religion as far as it could take him ie, at the start he could use it to secure votes and popularity.
But if he won the war he'd have no use of it anymore and I feel he would have done away with it and instilled himself as the figure of admiration and the set of nazi ideals would replace any god.

>>506947
>They tried to get the name of the nazi martyr Horst to be given to children instead of Adolf.

That's a very interesting piece of information. I've heard the Horst-Wessel lied of course, but never really bothered to look up who Horst was.

>>506463
Christianity was Germany's state religion.

More precisely - some sort of protestantism as Catholics having Pope as an authority kind of clashed with Nazi world view.

Hitler himself adored islam and claimed that National Socialism is needed(for Germany) because Islam isn't its religion. Mind you that it didn't mean that he wanted to convert Germans to Islam.

Then again Nazi party had a faction of occultists which was heavily interested in eastern religions such as zoroastrianism or buddhism(you can attribute it to Nietzsche if you want).

That being said, religious issues were very, very niche thing for nazi party.

>>506463
AFAIK Himmler and a couple of the other top-level Nazis were deep into Germanic pagan mysticism of various types, but Hitler and the party in general weren't. It was more their private weird shit, tolerated because at least it glorified Germany, and because you can't just shoot Himmler in mid-war.

Of course, if Himmler had had to take over as Führer after Hitler's illnesses had wasted him away...

>>506990
>Irreligious
>Hated Christianity
>Admired Islam

Was Hitler from Reddit?

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>>507195
Hitler admired Islam because of their warlike history and deep hatred of Jews. In addition, he hoped to use these two factors to gain a crucial ally in the Middle East to tie the British and French down with the various Muslim insurgencies in their colonies.

>>506564
Hitler bought works from Guido von List at one point, so I'm not certain you could say he considered all neopagans to be "cracks".

>>506990
The National Socialist movement was heavily influenced by Georg Schonerer and his "Away From Rome!" movement; it could be said that Catholicism was the rope holding the Dual Monarchy together, thus preventing pan-Germanism.

At least that's what Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf.

Semi-related, the Weimar Republic's 1933 election results show a negative correlation between % of Catholics and NSDAP support.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=dcX_AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA503&lpg=PA503&dq=negative+correlation+catholicism+and+nsdap+support&source=bl&ots=uqpOOuE0go&sig=6l6EO2e0AMEympWoEMKswqLrz3I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiM4qPFp5DKAhUDuxQKHbNcASAQ6AEINzAD#v=onepage&q=negative%20correlation%20catholicism%20and%20nsdap%20support&f=false

>>506947
> they started some campaign to limit the use of name Adolf

Yeah because he was a megalomanical psychopath whos name was to good for the likes of commoners

>>506463
Paganism wouldn't apply to their political view,so no.

>>506471
>As long as you weren't an jew or atheist you where OK
>this pleb doesn't know that Hitler was an atheist

>>506463
Some. like Himmler and the more deranged ones were neopagans.
Hitler and Bormann were atheists, maybe Goering as well.
Goebbels was protestant I think

>>506463
Throughout the time that they existed, they were mostly a Christian nation. Though the higher ranks of the Nazi party despised Christianity because they believed that the faith's forgiving nature promoted weakness. There was talk of bringing in some sort of neopaganism, but ultimately they sought to get rid of religion all together, and replace it with loyalty to the state, sort of similar to what North Korea did.

>>506471

Not true, Jehovas Witnesses were actively pursued in nazi germany. Also, I cant remember reading that Atheists were at all regarded as dangerous by Hitler. I think he would have preferred an atheist to a catholic any day.

They really weren't concerned with it much at all unless you were part of a group they viewed as as subversive or degenerate. That's why Jehovas Witnesses and some Catholics were persecuted alongside Jews.

>>506584
>>507352
JIDF please go

>>507352
Oh, look, it's someone who isn't up to the high level of discourse we expect here.
This is a thread about Nazi religion, not Hitler's personal beliefs about religion. I'd like to know about the history of the Nazi pagan cult. I've only ever seen History Channel-tier information about it outside of /pol/. This "muh insanity" shit is really detracting from the quality of this thread. You should post this in pretty much every thread that mentions dictators if you insist on posting it in Hitler threads at all.

Hitler was a baptized and confirmed Catholic. He called National Socialism a Christian movement and often spoke of doing the Lord's work. Though he did not approve of using religion to gain political favor.

The SS would bus kids to church on the weekend.

Hitler believed that Jesus was Aryan and understood Catholic and Lutheran theology both to be inline with National Socialism. On the Jews and their lies for example was promoted.

Conflict came between the government and the Church when NatSoc wanted to control school curriculums across the nation and the Church obviously wanted to control Catholic schools.

Most conflict between the two was over 'separation of church and state' issues and not really over theological issues.

This is in contrast to Mussolini who was NOT catholic and thought Catholicism but eventually he warmed up to the pope and recognized Catholicism's cultural usefulness.

The idea that Nazi's would have banned the bible is a lie. Most of their supporters supported it because it was out to get rid of pornography and prostitution and other degeneracy that liberalism had allowed to flourish in society.

Even if Hitler was an atheist (he was not) NatSoc would have total loss of support by turning their back on its main consistuency.

>>510673
I also want to add that it wouldn't have been abnormal for hitler to have been a millitan atheist of the type we see today in his time. The great war had disillusioned many on religion and anti-religious sentiments were common and also denounced by Hitler and NatSoc in general.

>>508198
>>>/pol/ please go

>>510673
I personally find the quote of Hitler talking about Islam to be highly skeptical. Why would he of all people support Jewish-influenced Islamic Spain?

>>510689
>>510673
one more last thing. Hitler goes into detail and explains that the one of the Aryan races best traits is its inclination towards religion and altruism.

The idea that he wanted to remove religion from society is a lie. Though again he did not persecute ANY religion, even Judaism (according to Hitler himself it was the race that was the problem).

>>510704
If he said I could see why. Napoleon expressed the same lements. Islam is a man made religion designed to help Muhammed conquer. IF you read the history of the Koran it obvious that muhammed would make up his 'divine insight' as he needed.

Napoleon saw Islam as good, only in that it created Muhammed a god like figure with an army of soldiers that would die and obey his every last wish.

Christianity on the other hand is true and also promotes love and peace.

There is little doubt either actually liked Islam or would actively try to turn Europe Islamic.

Napoleon by the way WAS an agnostic/atheist/deist at the time of those comments but was born catholic and died catholic on st Helena. his works are on Amazon in French if you are curious.

>>510673
OP's questions was what the top Nazi leaders thought of religion.
While Hitler did proclaim himself a Christian and talked about it in his speeches, in private he thought it weak, which would make sense considering his disillusionment after WWI

>>507243
A Himmler and SS-led Germany would be...interesting to say the least
Though I would love to see him launch a war to retrieve the Holy Grail

>>510735
I think Napoleon would be considered a fedora tier atheist today, when he was being crowned he took the crown from the Pope's hands and put it on his head himself, signifying that his power ultimately came from him and not god

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>>506463
À propos paganism: this was done the year Hitler was born. Carl Jung, being fortuitously Swiss and not denazified, clearly saw what happened from 1925: an archetype on a national collective unconscious level being reawakened. He deemed it Odin/Wotan. The political religious rearrangements reflect this deeper change in the German psyche.

>>506463
>
Was there really an effort to resurrect some sort of neo-pagan religion in Germany? I know Himmler implemented a lot of pseudo-pagan and occult aesthetics in the SS but was it all aesthetic, or was he really attempting to bring back pagan beliefs?
Religion in Nazism is purely a national identity thing. There's no concern for its actual substance.

>>506463
It's a known fact that all the top Nazis were militant Atheists. Their atheistic views are what motivated their racist ideologies and subsequently led to the Holocaust

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>>510367
Well im sorry if i wanted to rustle the /pol/tards

Any ways i dident see the thule society mentioned in this thread

you should definitely look it up
basically the Thule society was a secret society composed of mainly aristocrats, judges, laywers, mayors, police captian's and bussiness men, in other words powerfull people
i belive that the thule society created all of the NSDAP's ethnic ideologies, i mean its kinda coincidental that a secret society dedicated to racial philosophy "germanic superiority" gave their support to NSDAP and hitler
members of the Thule Society were later prominent in Nazi Germany: the list includes Dietrich Eckart (who coached Hitler on his public speaking skills, along with Erik Jan Hanussen, who had Mein Kampf dedicated to him), as well as Gottfried Feder, Hans Frank, Hermann Göring, Karl Haushofer, Rudolf Hess, Heinrich Himmler, and Alfred Rosenberg.
so they way i would put it is that the Thule society was very central to nazi germany

as to their actual beliefs you are going to have to do some reasearch
if you can find any good material on the beliefs ( i would recommend stuff actually written by members, but sadly i cant offer any) of the Thule society you will get a rare insigth into the the ideologies and beliefs behind nazi germany

hope this was helpful
the Thule society is something that is often overlooked

>pic related was used by the thule society its featured in the Wewelsburg castle wich was built by himmler wich i think was a member of the Thule society

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>>510762
Himmler, Rosenberg, Heydrich, and Borman were all pagan or the better Germanic word heathen: heidnisch. Also, atheism wasn't the root of national socialism, you dip. Consider WWI, the Depression, Freikorps, and regular old German nationalism.

>>510746
He wanted to be the Anti-Christ/Jewish Messiah

Himmler was a pagan LARPer while the majority including Hitler were Christian.

>>510773
>getting your history from Wolfenstein and Indiana Jones

Thule society was irrelavant, retard.

>>506564
>what is Thule society

>>511124
yeah thats why so many prominent party members in NSDAP and SS where part of it and they basically created the nazi ideology about the aryan master race

>whole nazi ideology
>irrelavant

>>511143
>pophistory conspiracy theories

Did you also know they were all gay and Jewish and currently live on the Moon?

Hitler hated all of Himmler's stupid bullshit and publicly decried it.

>>511154
So its just a coincidence that there was a secrete society dedicated to racial philosophy and aryan superiority was created literally a year before hitler rose to power who then used these theories for his ideology?
not to mention he was tutored and dedicated mein kampf to members of the thule society

>Did you also know they were all gay and Jewish and currently live on the Moon?

mabey you could actually refute instead of just resorting to ad hominem you fucking twat

>>506463
Pragmatic.

>>511166
The Aryan supremacy theory dates back to fucking Gobineau and Grant, you're the retarded one if you think it originated in Germany.

>>510773
>Well im sorry if i wanted to rustle the /pol/tards
And then /his. wonders why they raise such a stink... Don't you know not to feed the trolls? Lurk more, faggot.

>>511180
I never said they invented it i said they where dedicated to, belived in it and studied it

wanna try again?

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>>511192

> Don't you know not to feed the trolls? Lurk more, faggot.

What is a troll?

>>511229
>created the nazi ideology about the aryan master race
>created

>>511355
yes the nazis ideology about the aryan master races

with that i mean the nazis views on it not the actuall concept of the aryan race
all of the nazi ideology was reasearched by the Thule Society and then made into a ideology that dosent necessarily mean all the parts in it was invented by them

>>511397
No, they didn't. I implore you to at least read Madison Grant before spouting horseshit.

>>512015
Furthermore, Hitler himself read the works of Grant and Huxley, he outright said Passing Of The Great Race was his personal Bible. So Thule society, something Hitler didn't give a single fuck about, was completely irrelevant in that regard.

>>510739
I'm not sure why you don't recognize that any Christian would have no problem saying that Christianity is 'weak'. It doesn't promote war or violence like Islam.

>>506463
>Was there really an effort to resurrect some sort of neo-pagan religion in Germany?

Nah, it was all about sweet esoterics and aesthetics.