Japanese "comfort women"
Were they real, or is it all just typical Korean lies and exaggeration?
What's even worse was the equivalent in Russia for the German army. An estimated million babies were born by German soldiers and Russian women.
People always talk about how horrible the Russian soldiers raping German girls was, which it was, but people don't see the Eastern front.
>all just typical Korean lies and exaggeration?
You do know people from China to Burma experienced the same atrocities too right?
>German women had it worse.
Lolno. Russians pretty much raped them and left them. Or killed them afterwards. Very few kept the same woman around. Hitler's last secretary comes to mind.
Meanwhile women across asia were kept as sexual slaves. Systematically.
The fact that the Japanese treated THEIR OWN WOMEN in the same way certainly makes me believe they would have had no problem treating foreign ones likes that:
>"And so we unite and go forward to where our beliefs lead us, and through the sacrifice of several thousands of "Okichis of our era" build a breakwater to hold back the raging waves and defend and nurture the purity of our race, becoming as well an invisible underground pillar at the root of the postwar social order... we are but offering ourselves for the defense of the national polity [kokutai]."
>[The "Okichi" referenced was the possibly legendary maid of Townsend Harris, the first American consulate in Japan from 1856 to 1861, who was pressured into becoming his consort]
Yeah, when I saw someone compare it to the treatment of French "collaberators" (because it's more important to beat up the girl who sucked dick for food than the cop who rounded people up for the nazis, after all he might fight back), I thought it might be the case, but then I remembered >>493894
It definitely occurred, but governments in South Korea and China like to inflame the issue to distract from problems at home, and Japan has a habit of not being specific enough in its apologies and electing openly revisionist politicians.
>typical Korean lies and exaggeration?
real but obfuscated for political reasons
local men and families played a huge role in recruiting women (especially in areas that had already been occupied/colonized by Japan) which is usually brushed over because its political inconvenient, and there were plenty of women who signed up willingly
of course, Japan was ultimately responsible for the institution and the suffering it caused
Modern Japan should not be held culpable for "atrocities" allegedly committed in their distant past, which for all intensive purposes have never been demonstrably proven beyond reasonable doubt.
>Modern Japan should not be held culpable for "atrocities" allegedly committed in their distant past
They should be held culpable, what they shouldn't be is extorted.
>have never been demonstrably proven beyond reasonable doubt
I watched a documentary about the Burma railway
According to Japanese veterans, bamboo cages were lies and they suffer as much as the British while building the railway, also the ones who attacked prisoners were the Korean guards because they resent the British and the Japanese
I wonder how many of this is true, maybe everything
Japanese guards were bad, but the Korean guards were notoriously reviled.
When you're being treated like shit and suddenly in a position of power over other people, you're gonna be just as much (if not more) of a shitbag.
Should modern Americans be held accountable for native American massacres ?,
should native Americans be held accountable for their atrocities to settlers or other tribes ?
should Mongolians be punished for pillaging a quarter of the world ?
should Mexicans be castrated for their crimes against the tribes of their north western territory ?
Its the report on confort women issue by Michael Yon.
Well, but the US government had confiscated a lot of lands after they have agried a settlment issue with the government. Everything is political and seems true to those who has power is always right... Never evolved since the anscient time.
>Well, but the US government had confiscated a lot of lands after they have agried a settlment issue with the government.
The other way around, the US Government confiscated/gained most of its lands in violation of local treaties prior to public apology and compensation settlements agreed on in the 20th century.
Of course, by the time the Indian Claims Commission was set up, most of the land the US government had essentially stolen had been given or sold to private owners from the federal level (through the homestead act) to the municipal level, and it would be impossible to return the full rights to the stolen land to the tribes (which are technically semiautonomous bodies with their own laws) without jeopardizing the agreements made between the US government on all levels and these private landowners. That's why compensation comes in the form of money (which is systematically based upon the per-acre value of the land at the time of its confiscation) as opposed to just giving the land back.
>Everything is political and seems true to those who has power is always right... Never evolved since the anscient time.
Victors writing history is a meme, and wrong most of the time it's used. The obvious case of the fact that the United States, the Winners, are very very aware that they robbed the Native Americans blind is obviously one case. While maybe John Green and others may have some nice things to say about the Mongols, nobody ever pretends they were good people or that they didn't massacre a significant portion of the world population. The British defeated the boers and the Germans defeated the Herero in the late 19th-early 20th century, and yet we know both the concentration camps that the British put boer civilians into, and what some argue to be the first genocide, the deaths of the Herero. Roman annihilation of the Jewish state and early Christian forgeries have not hidden Josephus' Jewish perspective from us.
Fine, I'll bite. Yon's research is based on the Office of War Information's Report No.49 (10-01-1944), and his argument is that the report alleges that comfort women were paid volunteers who could have refused.
The report is here:
The report DOES note that they were living in "relatively luxurious conditions." That does not mean, however, that they weren't misled. Note the opening paragraph:
>The nature of this "service" was not specified but it was assumed to be work connected with visiting the wounded in hospitals, rolling bandages, and generally making the soldiers happy.
>The majority of the girls were ignorant and uneducated, although a few had been connected with "oldest profession on earth" before.
>On the basis of these FALSE representations many girls enlisted for overseas duty and were rewarded with an advance of a few hundred yen.
So we can already establish that most of these uneducated korean women were lied to and tricked on false premises into prostitution.
The article does note that
>The girls were allowed the prerogative of refusing a customer. This was often done if the person were too drunk.
However, this does not mean that they were allowed to leave the job as a prostitute they had been tricked into, or that they were ever allowed a break.
>The girls complained that even with the schedule congestion was so great that they could not care for all guests
Being able to refuse a single customer doesn't mean you weren't still in a job you didn't sign up for fucking people all week.
Also sorry, wrong url:
is the right one.
Next up is the allegation that they were free to leave once they had paid their "debt". The report does say that
>In the latter part of 1943 the Army issued orders that certain girls who had paid their debt could return home. Some of the girls were thus allowed to return to Korea.
However, it also notes that
>The "house master" received fifty to sixty per cent of the girls' gross earnings depending on how much of a debt each girl had incurred when she signed her contract.
>Many "masters" made life very difficult for the girls by charging them high prices for food and other articles.
So even if these unwilling, uneducated prostitutes were well-paid they were still losing the vast majority of their pay to their house-masters.
Another interesting part of the report is the list of the "comfort women" in 1944. Note how over half are 21 or below in 1944 and were shipped in 1942. This means that some of these girls were as young as 17 (Kim Yonja) when they were recruited. Under the International Convention for the Suppression of the Traffic in Women and Children, signed by Japan in 1921, these women were legally minors, which means that the IJA was also engaging in child trafficking.
Lastly, note that this whole report is based on an interrogation of 20 comfort women from a single location. That is neither an adequate or proper assessment or a system that spanned most of southeast asia at one point and included thousands of comfort women. Perhaps Col. Maruyama was particularly kind, perhaps he was particularly cruel. Either way, it is very dangerous to generalize the treatment of thousands of women on the basis of twenty from a single garrison--women who also, when asked about propaganda, suggested
>it would be a good idea to utilize the fact of their capture in any droppings planned for Korea.
Real, but it was 70 years ago, plenty of atrocities have been forgiven or forgotten in that time.
Plus Korea and China like to drag things out and exaggerate them depending on how politically advantageous at the time it is. Theres been periods when Korea/China wanted extra close relations with china so stamped out all mentions of comfort women themselves.
Now they are stronger economic rivals they are putting on a big show to make themselves look and feel better.
'>muhh 200,000 comfort Korean women
there were estimated to be as high as 200,000 comfort women, but they weren't all korean and included many prostitutes from other asian countries. Realistic estimate would be around 100,000
as much as 4chan hates women, Japanese government and males have an extremely exploitive and abusive attitude towards women. it isn't so much of an issue among all the different asian countries. it's more of a societal issue in japan, where they would institutionally sell their own sisters and daughters into prostitution. Japanese men think it's ok to treat other women like how they treat their own
yep, seems like as much of a domestic issue as a international one. you look at karayuki-san and prostitiom in post war years. I highly doubt any of those women were willing to become prostitutes
Why don't Asian women have any qualms about whoring themselves? It's like fucking hairless Asian men probably won't feeling anything to them. They probably get off more to dildos than Asian micropenises, so it barely counts as sex for Asian women
I'm Korean and I think Chink destoryed our country more than japs. Japs actually modernized our country and suppressed uppity peasant scums and commies.
>Pls let us back into glorious Co-prosperity sphere.
>You can tell where American troops have been stationed by the presence of massive red light districts.
The 50 states are now the 50 Red Lights, Anon? Because this is what you're saying.