Getting a bit tired of "greatest battles" or "greatest generals" threads.
Let's have a Greatest Individual Warriors (pre-gunpowder, of course).
It can be from any time or era as long as we don't include the aforementioned gunpowder and it can be from any continent.
My vote goes for Harald Hardrada.
>Rough childhood, had to fight since his teens
>Exiled, has to pick up mercenary work to survive even though he has royal blood
>Wants to marry a qt Slav princess but can't until he proves himself a great warrior to her father
>Is such a great fighter he ends up being the leader of the Varangian guard and leads them to victory after victory only suffering a debatable defeat
>Gets rich off the Byzantines' vaults, comes back home
>Gets his throne back
>At age 50 something goes raiding to England where he suffers a fatal defeat at the hands of the sneaky King Harold who surprised the unarmoured and nearly unarmed, divided raiding party
>Still manages to take 40 men down in his final effort before he's put down with an arrow to the neck
Not to mention he was tall as fuck (King Harold promised him a 7ft deep grave, as he was "larger than most men").
What's your pick?
Funnily enough, he was on my top 5 and for years he occupied the top spot.
His actions against Pompey's legions still leave me in awe every time.
>At the Battle of Garigliano he single-handedly defended the bridge of the Garigliano against 200 Spaniards, an exploit that brought him such renown that Pope Julius II tried unsuccessfully to entice him into his service
He's up there with Pier Gerlofs Donia.
>At age 50 something goes raiding to England where he suffers a fatal defeat at the hands of the sneaky King Harold who surprised the unarmoured and nearly unarmed, divided raiding party
He was trying to claim the English throne
Well for china we hava people like guang yu and their ilk, despite being trumped up in modern games and whatnot they have were still known to be amazing warriors. For japan none comes to mind more then benkei, had to asiatic this thread up a bit
probably because its less well documented than generals and battles, and great warriors tend to be shrouded in even more myth
my vote would be for William Marshal or Miyamoto Musashi though
not a bad idea desu senpai, wanted to discuss single warriors for a long time but i see /his/ doesn't share these interests
man i miss uni, we'd have these kind of debates weekly my colleagues and i
>always used one hand per sword, even with only one
>made strikes in one motion instead of two (back and forward, up and down, etc.)
He was probably as effective as reputed, those two things alone would be a huge advantage.
I would pick Tsukuhara Bokuden over Musashi any day. Also there is no evidence Musashi used two swords in his duels.
Coincidentally the sword schools both these men founded still exist.
Not saying he wasn't a great warrior, I read about him. How he killed his first man when he was 13 and how he defeated the most reputed duelist in Japan with a sword carved from an oar. I'm just saying that compared to some of the people mentioned ITT, I'm doubting his abilities.
True, but give Simo any other weapon other than a rifle and he'll get buried by the overwhelming majority of non gunpowder using warriors.
I've struggled with the idea of whether to include Conquistadors on the bracket of possibilities, but I decided against ultimately. They're another breed entirely who deserve their own thread.
Anything more I can read about this guy besides the Wiki (which I read before)? I'm having trouble finding Western sources that are reputable.
The encyclopedia of Marital arts is the only scholarly work I know off hand that will have an entry on him, though its not very long.
Rediscovering Budo has long sections on him and the Kashima tradtion of swordsmanship. It's written in an academic style but the author doesn't have a doctorate as far as I know, and his historiography of other aspects of Japanese history is somewhat outdated.
He is also mentioned in passing by Karl Friday in his Legacies of the Sword, Friday is a professor of Japanese history, but the book is about a related style of swordsmanship rather than tsukahara bokuden.
Conquistadors had the finesse of duelling pretty much nailed down. They had to search for weak spots in armour, be fast and sharp. On one to one combat they were pretty fierce, but you're probably right when you say they deserve their own thread. Still it would be interesting to see a debate of this calibre involving them though.
Started from the very bottom. Like rock fucking bottom.
And rose to the top as in living god type top.
Hector of Troy.
Knew his brother was in the wrong and was disgusted by him, but when the Greeks started storming the beaches, he was the first man to take up arms to defend his people.
Stop. Stop posting.
Cringiest shit I've ever read
No way in fuck he killed 40 men in his "last stand," the dude invaded a country with a shitton of men and got fucking rekt
Scandiboos need to get cancer and die
>being literally retarded
both norwegian and english sources claim the same
not only that also about the guy who made a last stand at stamford bridge
>guy who doesn't even study history trying to flex on /his/
i'll find my top shelf kek for this
The guy who made the last stand and got stabbed on the bridge wasn't Harald
The other Harold, based godwinson, got shot in the eye with an arrow fighting Normans after btfoing the vikings
>retarded muh heritage cunts unironically browse /his/
we know it wasn't harald
the last stand viking killed a huge bunch and harald killed another in a berserker fit before getting put down
you're the one who's making them to be the same person
i'm actually irish, but whatever
I corrected that >>494307
A little infuriated referred to as a "raiding party" though..it was a legit invasion in a pact with godwinson brother and they got wrecked.
They lost fair and square, don't try to minimize their loss due to sneaky Saxons cheating or something
They were on the defensive. You get invaded, you beat the invaders, you won.
>they got wrecked
as op mentioned, their forces were divided and caught off guard
no one thought that news would either travel that fast nor that the saxons would get up there so fast
they had a force of 3000 men up north while the main force was removed from their boats and their armour
these aren't excuses, this is the truth
if you don't see a handicap on this you might be handicapped yourself
>Oh, so centuries of raiding and catching Saxons off guard isn't an unfair fight but when they get beat back for the last time its not fair?
bro, no one's defending the pre-colonization raiding that happened
in the same way one can admit that attacking in a hit and run raid is not fair, can you stop being a dumb fuck and admit that king harold caught harald and his army off guard?
But they were being invaded
I have zero sympathy for a person on the offensive (invading) getting fucked up by the one they were intending to fuck up regardless of how it happened
i bet you have zero sympathy for william the conqueror too (^:
fucking english pansies, being hurt from the ass after a millennia of being cucked by the vikings is a sign of weakness
shit happened, deal with it
Yeah m8, Jewish American actually.
But anyways, as a Brit, how could you NOT be?
>pussy vikings take advantage of your struggles
>pussy vikings do hit and runs
>pussy vikings try to invade one final time
>pussy vikings get rekt
>a millennium later people have the balls to call the English pansies
all explained then, there's no need to continue this argument when you're so obviously petrified by the eptiome of whiteness
you should go to /pol/, it's full of your people
How does it feel your precious Aryan race is getting cucked in its heartland?
How does it feel that Sweden's toughest man couldn't beat an old manlet nigger?
How does it feel that vikings had to wait until Saxons were at their most vulnerable to invade?
How does it feel to be..cuckolded?
And for the record I don't hate Norsemen, I hate vikings and vikingboos like yourself
again, i'm irish
i'm pretty far removed from being either "aryan" or a vikingboo
i just don't let my fears cloud my judgement when it comes to history and apparently you do
must be awful being so petrified of the germanic peoples after 70 years that you take it as a duty to shitpost on 4chan about them
Anyone can be a vikingboo m8, you, an Irishman included.
>petrified of whites
Not at all, it would take a fool to think that ashkenazi Jews like myself WEREN'T white. It wasn't the first time we'd been shoah'd and it won't be the last.
Now who's projecting here?
Started with practical nothing, got renown from entering tourneys kicked so much ass he was picked up by the king of england and served as bodyguard, went with king to the Holy Land came back stopped an uprising headed by prince Richard 1 (lionheart) through the prince off his horse and after the battle Richard respected him so much he hired him too, he became Lord Protector of England when Henry was to young to rule and defended England from an invasion by France.
you keep using that word, it doesn't mean what you think it means
seriously, let go of your fear and hatred of the white man, if you want to be taken seriously when discussing history you have to do that
otherwise you just sound like a jaded little prick with an inferiority complex
Vikingboo is someone not of Scandinavian descent who has a hard on for vikings. E.g. you
I am white, as I've already stated. It doesn't matter if our genes aren't fully European, we generally look and sound white and that's all that matters.
You'd have to project pretty hard to say I don't like vikings because Germans killed a bunch of us ~70 years ago.
Judging by that logic I should hate Italians more, and be "threatened by them"
Not what I'm trying to do, I already stated I don't dislike Scandinavian people, but rather DESPISE Viking dickriders, like our Irish guy over here. I posted that bit about gustafsson to get a rise out of him because he's clearly a /pol/ack.
I was using YOUR logic you stupid cunt
I was saying that following your logic that I MUST HATE SCANDIS for being Aryan (and thus somehow responsible for the holocaust) that I should hate Italians EVEN MORE because of what the Romans did.
I don't hate white people, primarily because I am white, but also because I don't believe in punishing people for the crimes of their fathers
anon, please stop crying because of your hatred towards white people
no one will discuss history seriously with you if you're biased like this
don't you want to be a big boy and be taken seriously?
I was giving you the benefit of a doubt because you just sounded like a retarded /pol/ack but now its clear its just shitty bait
I feel ashamed for taking it 2bh
If I didn't have a child on the way with a western european woman I very well may kill myself
I'll admit I didn't know as much about Stamford Bridge as the others ITT
But I did blow you the fuck out in regards to accusing me of being an anti-white individual because I recognize vikings were cancer and vikingboos are cancer
I would have a dog in this fight if I were a red-blooded Englishman
I would have a dog in this fight if i were a vikingboo
But I am neither. And it doesn't take a person with a dog in the fight to know that one of those dogs is one they shouldn't be sympathetic to.
>captured an German armoured vehicle by himself
>loses an eye fighting 4 Nazis, when one of them ignites a phosphorous grenade before dying
>singlehandedly captures/liberates the village of Zwolle
>with is 18 good men, infiltrates Chinese army 40k men strong moving towards a key hill in the Korean War
>him and his 18 good men then hold off two divisions equaling 14k men, refusing to leave when asked to do so by his CO
You guys beat me too it.
Here is another one considering though it was after gunpowder and the guy is barely known:
Pieter Janszoon Jong
Guy from the Netherlands who volunteered for the Papal Zouave's (1866) who the pope used to defend against redshirts of Giuseppe Garibaldi.
If I recall correctly breech loading rifles were becoming mainstream around this time which makes his exploits even weirder.
He fought at the Battle of Mentana and after he ran out of bullets he managed to kill fourteen with the stock of his rifle before being killed.
Using one hand is NOT an advantage.
You're faster to attack, defend, redirect, and recover and better at literally everything but the thrust with two hands.
>through the prince off his horse
It was better than that. William was covering a retreat, and richard was among the pursuers-the prince was unarmored and carrying only a sword. William, foremost jouster in europe, had his lance.
William killed his horse rather than the prince just to make a fucking point.
The man also lead a cavalry charge (and siege assault) from the front when he was around 70.
>King Harold who surprised the unarmoured and nearly unarmed, divided raiding party
Harry marched out with a few huskarls lightly armed on purpose, he never intended to take his entire force.
He knew what he was doing, he just didn't expect a fully armed English army.
He wasn't surprised by the English themselves but rather by the number and armament.
A mere skirmish was expected, instead he clashed with an army.
Nah lad, they guarded the ships. I can't give an accurate account of numbers but the chain of events is roughly:
> Norwegians land
> Earls Edwin and Morcar told to sit tight and wait for the cavalry
> Earls dumb and dumber try to fight and are defeated by Haralds forces
> he marches into York, gets them to agree to send hostages to him the next day at Stamford bridge and returns to his ships
> takes some of his forces, lilely half or 2/3 to Stamford
> Surprise Saxons led by Harold G. Outta nowhere
> Norwegians pushed back, story of Berserker (likely untrue/exaggerated
> one Norwegian sent back to camp as shield walls reform and men gear up and Harald becomes surrounded
> reinforcements run all the way to the battle and tire themselves out (legit what is written in the sagas)
> reinforcements accomplish little
> Harald leads a charge
> slaying with his sword in both hands
> takes an arrow to the neck
> remaining Vikings BTFO
> being this mad
Hey buddy you literally just called it "recon or something" which is entirely wrong and fucking retarded. Your thesis level knowledge led you to the conclusion they would just leave their boats abandoned once they landed.
Stay salty thesis kid.
I never disputed that but in the Norwegians own accounts they explain where the men are. I haven't said anything wrong either, you are grasping at straws for whatever reason.
> it's autism to be right
Yeah, gg m8.
He is know for for leading the Romans, to whom he was supposed to be loyal, to an ambush, and was latter assasinated by his own people.
Was he related in other battle-prowness anecdotes?
Should've mentioned the guy as a warrior. Heard he wrecked a lot of German shit personally throughout his campaign.
Fucking love that guy. An absolute badass, recovered 2 of the 3 lost Eagles of Rome, buried his compatriots, suffocated revolts that would see him personally as the Emperor of Rome. Perfect balance of man and idealism.
During the siege of Tortona by Emperor Friedrich "Barbarossa" von Hohenstaufen in 1158, a German soldier who presumably had gotten bored of the long and tedious siege decided to perform an impressive feat of arms. He approached one of the city's main towers alone and proceeded to climb it using only an axe to make himself footholds. He reached the top of the tower, killed one of the defenders, and then climbed back down to safety.
The emperor offered to make him a knight. He declined that honor, but was still richly rewarded for his accomplishment.
(Source: Deeds of the Emperor Frederick, Otto of Freising and Rahewin)
I like it. Too much history is concerned with the large scale; population movements, sweeping imperial histories, massive battles and campaigns, etc. That's great, but al lot of times I'd rather read about individuals, small unit tactics, day to day life, etc.
>retarded muh heritage cunts
>how dare they show an interest in the history of their ancestors.
Seriously, why do people get mad about this? If a Chinese guy is interested in Chines history, would you get so mad? Stop status signaling, you hipster faggot.
You people really do have some weird love/hate inferiority complex with actual white people, don't you? Fuck, when I was young, I thought all the anti jew stuff was tinfoil paranoia, but the older I get...
You are just as white as white people, until it isn't in your best interest to be, then it's all 'remember the shoah', 'persecuted minority', and shit. Leading the #BLM stuff while denying all the slave trading millions those happenin hebes raked in back in the good old days.
I know you're going to call me a /pol/ack, though I'm not, but I CAN see how people are driven there by overexposure to this type of shit.
There's nothing Germanic about them other than their surnames. Genetic research reveals they're mostly Middle Eastern and Eastern European with a significant Caucasian admix.
Assuming we were talking about Ashkenazim and not Mizrahim / Sephardim who are full blown shitskins.
This shit saddens me tbqh. There was probably some guy wrecking shit in an epic battle of the Crusades or in a Roman conquest campaign and then he went home and was never heard from again.
>He allegedly refused to retreat, disheartened by the king's apparent cowardice. He was either killed in combat at Golubac or executed in Ottoman captivity.
There are some great men spread throughout history.
Yo, Masters fag studying Harald as my primary. Harald went to Stamford Bridge expecting to exchange hostages with York and just continue on his merry way south. However, homeboy thought he was in the clear and didn't set up a good scouting network.
Next thin you know Godwinsons forced march his army from London and Harald's at this meeting with only a fraction of his strength, plus none of the vikings have their armor on since they day was hot as balls.
There forces were totally split. Hardrada sent a scavenging force across the bridge before the battle even began.
The lone berserker's that makes the famous last stand is a member of that party. The fact that Hardrada and Tostig have time to make a battle plan is thanks to the fact that this force was separate from the main body.
Not a Muslim but
I'd say Khalid bin whalid.
Literally complains at his deathbed that he didn't die in battle even tough he was a front liner and fought duels and shit for 200 battles
Also "It was the first battle between the Romans and the Muslims. Khalid ibn Al-Walid reported that the fighting was so intense, that he used nine swords, which broke in the battle."