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For most of history, Greece was associated with being "Eastern".
When did the switch take place?
1800s?
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The EU invited all the shitskins of the world into Europe.
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>>3156448
Western reactionaries
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Ottoman empire and division of balkans from rest of Europe politically
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Is it even possible for an army today to ever successfuly establish rule over another country?
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>>3156388
>what is Palestine
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no, Tibet is and always was a part of China
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>>3156442
>Tibet is and always was a part of India
FTFY
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The decadence of the West 2017-07-28 11:15:08 Post No.3156378
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Can we discuss this topic? Both from Spengler's view and any other postures which are also welcome.
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It's not just the west but society as a whole
Kali-Yuga
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Decadence is very useful. Any civilization that reaches its decadent stage produces art and technology.
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>>3156568
Anything about decadence outside the West? Genuinely interested
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DAILY REMINDER THAT PÉTAIN DID >>>NOTHING<<< WRONG
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9XNzcqA42s
Lots of French were happy with the Vichy Regime. He is only perceived as evil now because us Frogs don't want to be seen as faggots. I love Mon Maréchal.
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>>3156337
Selling out the soul of his nation in order to elevate himself and his politics isn't considered wrong?
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>>3156354
It's what the current US president has done so....
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>As befits a culture with no word for ‘father’ or ‘husband’, Mosuo women do not marry. Instead, they take as many lovers as they wish, cherry-picking them from within the tribe and inviting them for secret evening trysts
>and there’s no stigma in not knowing who a child’s father is
>Such matriarchal utopia does have drawbacks – curious visitors have descended upon the once-isolated region under the mistaken suggestion Mosuo women offer free sex. Sadly, some of the previously peaceful villages have been overrun with hotels, casinos, karaoke and even a red-light district.
How have people ever thought matriarchies were a good thing? This proves everyone who has an issue with modern feminism correct.
>Tribalistic still and more perversely so
>Hedonistic and primitive without morals
>EASY TO TAKE OVER
How do we get people to see this obvious issue that is coalescing into a major, and obvious, problem today? They see their issues as speed bumps along the way... to what??
http://metro.co.uk/2013/03/05/where-women-rule-the-world-matriarchal-communities-from-albania-to-china-3525234/
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>their morals are different than mine
>must have no morals
Mosuo are cool as fuck, and their women are actually independent and self reliant unlike (((western))) feminists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_l9D7tEixc
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Also, if anything matriarchal societies are much more suited toward a modern day service economy than any other time in the world except for hunter gatherer societies. Since physical labor is increasingly irrelevant in modern day society
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>>3156307
I can see where my viewpoint would deem theirs as alien but there are positions in my points where that's not an issue.
I outlined in the first few greentexts what the article suggests and then in the last three I outlined how those play out in an objectively bad way for society.
Clearly Matriarchal societies are terrible for the societies they are in. They've never been successful and, shown here, are only taken up by the most ignorant and weak cultures.
For example the pygmies have the tied lowest IQ. The Indian example at the bottom had shown a terrible society in which the mentally inactive men where driven to suicide and drugs.
We can see this with our feminist men and even our society as a whole once you look at it. Matrarchies are CANCER
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Has there ever been a philosopher claiming that truth is a lie?
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Yeah ur mum
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Too many too count.
Since day one, they actually fight over that claim. Hence Plato obsession over separating what is truth and what is not. From Nietzsche to everything onward they got trapped in the argument it's impossible to get rid off subjectivity in everything you experiment, including the truth.
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>>3156075
The Sophists and the Post Modernists both make / made this claim.
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Aren't reincarnation based beleifs BTFO? 2017-07-28 09:49:11 Post No.3156048
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Aren't reincarnation based beleifs BTFO?
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Doesn't every faith that depends on unending life on Earth already meet sufficient criteria to be considered patently false?
This being Buddhism and Hinduism primarily. Science dictates all life in the universe becomes unsustainable in the far future, so there is a point where all beings would attain nirvana independent of their beleifs in Buddhism and all things would stop being created in Hinduism.
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Bumpin for Wotan
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>>3156048
All religions meet the criteria for having been proven false. Well, maybe not strictly deist views, but those have always been a tiny minority and even most self-professed "deists" are actually theists.
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>>3156048
Science hasn't stopped people from believing in their religion before, why should it in this case?
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What's your favorite dead language? 2017-07-28 09:26:32 Post No.3155945
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What's your favorite dead language?
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Middle High German
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcFBsR5kjeI
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Lower northwest middle high german
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We dir Heiden das ist dir zörn
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etruscan
Informal fallacies are literally just "arguments I don't like".
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>>3155922
>I don't understand why fallacies are fallacious!
That's because you're posting on 4chan, which makes you a neo nazi :^)
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>>3155922
yes, i don't like arguments that misrepresent my argument like a strawman does
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>>3155922
So...you have any argument to support it or you are just gonna give us a opinion chart?
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Join us at the 4CC! We're playing against s4s in the first finals we've made it to! The cup is easy to find, just go to the implyingrigged website and click on the smashcast link. Help us cheer his on!
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>>3155906
>finals
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We elite nao
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>>3155906
4cc? s4s? wtf is this lingo?
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why did Italy care so much about Dalmatia in WW1? It doesn't seem as strategic as Trieste or Trentino and it didn't have many italians in it
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>>3155859
They wanted land??
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I simply don't get why Italy was so butthurt after WW1, they got Trentino, Istria and even Fiume and gained supremacy over the Adriatic
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>>3155870
Why??? Even back then, it had no great value, especially if its full of resentful foreigners.
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Why is hedonism treated like shit when its the only scientifically and logically valid ethical framework?
It can be proven with Boolean logic. It is the only philosophy that takes account of aesthetics. It is one of the only philosophies that has the attribute of being able to start from any axiom, whether its the 1st of 52nd and allows you to work backwards of forwards like science and mathematics.
And as for the Christian's objection of degeneracy, let me tell you this. I am hyper-sexual, I'm so bad I'd work in a whore house for free. I've never been a Christian (my Mum is strict protestant) and so I cycled through many positions in my life from fascism to anarcho-capitalism, though I never adhered to any like Hedonism and let me tell you, I've writhed in shit and STILL come out cleaner than those filthy monotheists.
They think they're so smart and moral, and yet all they do is kill people and destroy their lives over minor things that hurt no-one like sexual deviancy, worshiping idols, not wanting to spend their only lives working themselves to the bone and just generally being a human. Then they import a billion immigrants and say we have to because although they may wreak havoc and eliminate the aesthetic set white people (x e (white people) such that {they carry a gene that turns off all melanin producers, express the recessive gene for blue eyes and blonde hair} its *out duty* as good Christians to shelter all people running from the horrors dogmatic monotheism ITSELF CAUSED.
Hedonism is a very powerful and the most useful tool we've invented. And don't ask me, ask your brain. First, bite yourself. Not very pleasant is it? Now touch your dickey or mary, or listen to a good piece of music or look at some powerful art. Feels good doesn't it? That is our entire reason for agreeing there is good and evil in the first place, so seeking pleasure and eliminating pain is the most rational, axiomatic philosophy.
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Possible criticisms are "well hurrr if pleasure is so good why not inject 50 heroines or eat until you die of obesity!?" Fortunately nature has also provided us with another tool, the ability to plan ahead. We can make accurate predictions about what will happen if you eat too much, the slope of the line for a human consuming 3500 calories/day is +1, resulting in a 1kg weight gain/week. Extrapolate that out over a year and you're in for a lot of pain, both aesthetically and biologically.
Honestly, this criticism that because you believe on thing causes pleasure, you must persistently do it or take it to its logical extreme is fucking silly. And you know it because you don't do that naturally. Driving at high speed is fun but you know doing 70 in a 30 zone carries a very high risk.
Face it, hedonism is logical, scientific and will result in the best societies for all.
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>>3155833
>babbies first epicurean epiphany
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What if inflicting pain and suffering on others is what gives me pleasure?
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Is it accurate to say that Gaddafi was the Kramer of dictators?
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>>3155805
Did Gaddafi say n***** (nigger)?
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>>3155805
who was Seinfeld then?
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Yes
Real question is however, who was the George Costanza of dictators?
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What exactly does this mean in historic context?
People always refer to how crops were breakthroughs or huge leaps for certain societies but they never say what exactly it was they were growing to eat, how was it processed, seeds sourced etc.
For example what the fuck were they growing in the Chinappas of the Aztec empire?
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Crops generally means rice, wheat, etc. A staple crop containing lots of nutrients you can eat a lot and steadily farm.
Aztecs had maize and corn.
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Mostly corn.
Staple crops varied by region. In Northern China it was barley, in Southern China it was rice, in Egypt and Mesopotamia it was mostly grain, and obviously the Incans loved potatoes.
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>>3155763
Maize and corn are the same thing lol
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I'm noticing some affinity with /his/ and classical views, going from 19th century way back. In fact usually 20th century views are mocked upon or just ignored by mostly users. So, in some kind of test, I'm creating this thread about post-modernism in general. Let's see how it goes, and how many people here is actually interested in recent history, and not in romanticized glories of the past.
Deleuze, Foucalt, Umberto Eco, Burroughs, Anti-psychiatry, Hedeigger, Dada, Magical Realism, Surreal, social constructs and so on. Everything goes here.
Keep in mind the idea is to keep this thread alive the more we can, making it easier not only to discuss, but also to keep on focus on the subjects. Feel free to link some books, articles or new names we may not know, and mostly important, do not fall for easy b8's
Let's get this started.
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>>3155700
>Anti-psychiatry
When I see this I think of Scientology. Is there more to it?
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>>3155700
dada was good at the time, but it's become a tired old meme that shitty artists use to sell literal garbage
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>>3155725
Agreed. But it's good to remember that Dada is not only "lol I trolled u" art, but also a celebration of aleatory organization (unconscious) with the purpose of running away from any kind of systematic order (conscious). Just like Surrealism, it had deep roots on psychology and Freud theory.
Nowadays artist with little to no knowledge on the theory, fascinated by the chance of "deconstructing the system", turned themselves into try-hard caricatures that, ironically enough, is now the status quo on academic circles