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I am curious about your viewpoints on the Philosophy of History (philosophy of history refers to the theoretical aspect of History)

Much of this board is on the practical side of history, specialisation and general interests. Now there is merit in all these aspects, but the theoretical aspect seems a bit lost in discussion, within the science itself as within the public sphere.

Anyone and everyone is welcome to share his or her light on this topic. But do keep in mind, to be productive, you got to have a notion of History as a science not just as an interest. It is a profession with a (social) scientific foundation.

Now, I will get off my high horse for a minute and emphasize; Anyone and everyone is welcome to share his or her light on this topic.

But I am curious if there are any professional historians here. (with an interest in this subject)
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The word for it is historiography.

I think each school (e.g. empiricism, annals, postmodernism, etc) has it's positives and negatives.

This is a good read about some of the debates:

https://analepsis.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/re-thinking-history.pdf
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>>2581305
Yes, I know and am familiar with this. The recent discussion is about presentism, at least in my surroundings. But I am curious about opinions instead of references to different schools:-). But thanks though
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>>2581346

Sorry have a bump.

What's presentism?

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>The "Three Caesars' Alliance" or League of the Three Emperors (German: Dreikaiserabkommen, Russian: Coюз тpёх импepaтopoв) was an alliance between the German Empire, the Russian Empire and Austria-Hungary, from 1873 to 1887.

Why couldn't he listen?
Is the dissolution of this alliance the biggest geopolitical mistake, maybe after the bad dissolution of the Warsaw Pact and USSR costing Russia so much?
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>lemme just let France and Russia ally against us real quick xD

WHY
DIDN'T
HE
LISTEN
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>>2580904
That picture is depressing
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>>2580904
It's funny you had the most incompetent moncarchs being contemporaries with the most competent leftists

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explain
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>It was created by the Congress to provide the nation with a safer, more flexible, and more stable monetary and financial system.

>The Federal Reserve was created on December 23, 1913, when President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into law

Was Woodrow Wilson the goodest goy of all time?
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The middle class in American came into being during the first half of the 20th century. Wealthier people earn more and buy more, leading to inflation as the economy grows and the Federal Reserve expands the money supply.
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>>2580835
>The middle class in American came into being during the first half of the 20th century.

uhh there was a middle class before then

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Stirner drawthread
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>>2580642
>you're
fuck. grammar is a spook
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>>>/i/

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Can we have a Middle ages general?

I know how 4chan are to generals but I want to know more about what the countries other than England and >H>R>E did at the time while containing the Crusaderfags.
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>1,000 years of history in one general
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>>2580234
600 years really

fall of west rome happens in the 6th century and Renaissance happens as early as the 12th
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normans get out

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What happened?
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An overdependence on trade to supply urban populations, followed by a decline in trade.

That or Germans.
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>>2579929
The people whom were the most successful became descendant and soft as which every empire
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sea peoples

Did the Nazis actually manage to destroy any of the books and publications that they rounded up and burned?

By that I mean, did they remove enough copies of any prominent work to actually render it unrecoverable?
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Of any prominent work? Probably not, since prominent works would have likely been translated into at least one other language and been distributed elsewhere. And no, they would not have been able to burn every copy... if there's anything history has taught us, it's that people will always find ways to get copies of supposedly banned material.

It's plausible that there could be German-only books from smaller publishers which were lost.
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>>2579417
>By that I mean, did they remove enough copies of any prominent work to actually render it unrecoverable?
No, most of the books and plays had copies and productions in other nations (Brecht's Dreigroschenoper was on Broadway at the time for example). Also the intention was to never remove the books from existence but to publically show they would not stand for "un-German thoughts."
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>>2579417
Nope, but Allied bombing of Dresden destroyed paintings and musical scores for good.

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Was the HRE really that bad?
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>>2579325
>no USA
>no French empire
come on now
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between the 30 years war and the partition of Poland it was relatively powerless

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i love IMG_1600 too
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>>2579270
>doesn't know who the wizard of the saddle is

This is only excusable if you're not American
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>>2579321
one of my favorites also.
has been much maligned of late...too bad.

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Is this accurate?
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Osprey do some good stuff. Obviously some writers/artists are better than others and you'd always be better off getting a history book or an academic journal but it's a good jumping off point.
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>>2579235

t. france
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>>2579299
explain

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Name one soldier in history who fought on the front lines who was more tough, courageous and generally badass.
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>>2579033
William Marshal.

>Tfw ywn be taking PoWs well into your 70s
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>>2579033
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Terrail,_seigneur_de_Bayard
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>>2579033
R U D E L
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Shame about him being a fervent nazi though

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In OTL the WRE collapsed and the ERE eked out an existence for another 1000 years. What are the minimal differences that would be required for the opposite to happen, if it ever could happen?
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>>2578425
this is challenging. Idk why no one has contributed yet
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>>2578425
So for the opposite to happen. Id say that the Germanics rather focus on conquering Persia, rather than rome, in which Byzantine is a legit threat and location for looting and raiding, thus eventually its fall.
but for the germanics to go that far east they would have had to be kicked out years before around say 100bc. They would have had to meet no resistance from other factors or by otherwise forced out from west to centeral west to eastern europe and then pushed to the steps where theyd face slavic tribes and horse raiders. from there the non christian arabs would meet a demise of unity from a people that would resemble the following people. Some type of Nors/germanic/slavic/mongol/asian/stepniggerish/hun like peoples.
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>>2579063
> Id say that the Germanics rather focus on conquering Persia, rather than rome

Through direct invasions? Not a chance. They didn't 'conquer' the WRE in that way. They 'conquered' from the within by overthrowing the emperor. They had been living on Roman lands for quite some time prior to that. Ostrogoths were just as Romanized as the Franks. Same thing for the Visigoths and the Vandals that sacked Rome (which wasn't much of a big deal since it wasn't the capital anymore).

Post your face when you realized that Aztec mythology has all the signs of a post civilizational collapse murder cult (cylindrical history, obsession with drought and cataclysms,human sacrifice, etc.) and that tobacco has been found in Egyptian pyramids, which are also a favorite design of many South American civilizations.
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The Aztecs were absolutely insane and would never have lasted. It was a death cult on acid.

>"hen the Aztecs felt their bloodthirsty Killer Goddess needed victims, they said they “longed for death” and sacrificed themselves by becoming warriors and fighting anyone, even at times dividing themselves into two groups to kill each other or even simply committing suicide, in order to “renew” their Killer Mother Goddess and “rebirth” their society.25 The ritual repeated the horrible traumas they had endured as children, since Aztec children were routinely cut, bled, burned, battered and tortured for their Killer Goddess and told they would soon die, like the children they watched actually sacrificed and eaten by their parents.26 The innocence of their war victims was essential, since as children they were in fact innocent, even as their mothers regularly pierced their genitals and faces in order to “cleanse the world.”
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>>2578229
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>>2578258
Does the 25 year rule apply if we discuss events 25 years in the future?

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> "x was just a bad as y"
>"They fought for [abstract concept]"
> "right side of history"
> "free country"
> "free society"
> "human rights"
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How does human rights trigger you snowflake?

I get the rest of the list because they are bullshit contentions usually filled with bullshit arguments.

But human rights is a fairly simple phrase without alot of ambiguity like "free society" which is a minefield because of the "free".

Humans (not an abstract qualifier)
Rights (also not as abstract as rights only apply to humans)

There are no rights that apply to non humans.
There are no non-humans that have rights.

Seems to be a fixed and exclusive set without too many holes and strings.
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>>2577808
>"x was just a bad as y"
Hell, just include moralism of any sort.

Also:
>Why couldn't [complex group of factions] have just done [stupidly unworkable "solution"]? They'd have won the war!
>>2577859
What a pleb.
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>capitalism

I fucking hate seeing this word because all that follows it is either an insane marxist blaming all of the world's ills on it or a lolbertarian worshipping it as a concept and claiming it is joined at the hip with things like liberty or freedom of speech. I recoil at the sight of it honestly.

>There's this thing called the general will
>It is the will of the people when taken collectively
>It is distilled virtue
>Except when it does things I don't like
>Then it's not virtue
>It's actually bad in that case

Why did anyone ever take """"""""enlightenment""""""" philosophy seriously?

Even a pseudo-scientific rambler like Aristotle could have destroyed this navel-gazing French faggot.
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This has always confused me as well. People make fun of Evola but the philosophical foundations of liberalism are really tenuous and bad. The fact Rawls "veil of ignorance" argument is considered some "heh, checkmate bigots :-)" tier argument is astonishing and shows just what a nauseating echo chamber western philosophy has become.
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>>2577287
I for one is happy that you made it clear that Rousseau is the only enlightenments philosopher and that his work can be summed with a few meme arrows, I always had this nagging feeling that Hume and Kant never existed or that you had to read their works before looking like an idiot commenting when commenting on them.
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>>2577326
see:
>>2577319

All you need to know about liberal philosophy is that Rawls is considered a genius.

That really does say it all.

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