>>576166 Doesn't it make you feel so beta just looking at them? The girls are having the time of their lives and want to capture it to show off to their girlfriends what kind of stud railed them last night.
And yet this so-called "psychologist" bullshit is your first line of defense whenever you get called out on your shit
>HUE HUE UR ON 4CHAN FAGGERT >I BET YOU NEVER GET LAID HUE HUE >ALPHA MALE WANNABE LOL!
Shut the front door. I'm going to tell you like it is. Laugh it off if you want, but I'm doing this for your benefit. You and your cuckolding ilk are nothing but glorified beta orbiters. Sure, you get the benefits of having a girlfriend, maybe she fucks you once in a while, but in the end she is using you for your resources and is then backstabbing you by fucking around with other guys. Leaching off of you. Fucking whoever she wants. Throwing you a bone once in a while. She even has the gall to fuck these guys in front of you. You've internalized the self loathing that these acts have generated, and as a defense mechanism against the emotional turmoil, turned it into some bizarre sexual fetish from which you derive satisfaction.
Quite simply you've turned your feelings of anguish and inadequacy into a sexual act because somewhere deep down inside you feel that you ARE in fact inadequate, you believe that these things are inevitable, that no matter what you do "she" is going to cheat on you anyway, you might as well try to get enjoy what is inevitably going to happen anyway.
>>579889 Ok, wanna play the psychology game, let's do it. I am actually a psychology major. ;)
For clarification, I am on 4chan because I am at AT for the military. I like porn and so do my two, very cute and bisexual gfs. I am fit, strong, am moving up in every aspect of my life and I usually don't contribute much to this forum.
I say all of this to say, you have a conflict of ego (obviously), obvious issues with women, probably resulting from your mother and your also more than likely uneducated in a broader sense, though you could just be socially inadequate.
How do I know this? You bash another's personal life choice on an internet board, which is not uncommon for anyone, however, the effort you place into this endeavor is above and beyond, almost on par with the anal avenger, suggesting a strong need to feel some form of superiority.
Tellingly, you picked what you thought would be an easy target (ie a cuck). This indicates even more of a beta predator mindset. These are my personal terms so let me explain: your a weak psychological predator. You pick prey that you think is weak. You have no confidence in your ability to crush a great or opponent.
Now, you see me, my prey IS a predator, making me a psychological alpha predator.
So, in the future, let people have their kinks. So, even if what you said about him is true, who says he has to live up to your standards? No one. If it works for him, it works.
Look, even I like to watch my gf get reamed out by another guy. However, my psychological gratification of the situation is that the other male has to submit to me to get to her. He is coming, asking for crumbs from me. When he gets them, he leaves. We only do this on occasion cause we all like group sex. Sometimes we pick bisexual males and one if my gfs then me will fuck him in the ass and make him leave, humiliated. Fun right? Wanna join in? You seem like the type. I promise you, they are hot, just forget about my cock in your ass and brain.
>For clarification, I am on 4chan because I am at AT for the military. I like porn and so do my two, very cute and bisexual gfs. I am fit, strong, am moving up in every aspect of my life and I usually don't contribute much to this forum.
What the fuck did you say about me you little bitch? I'll have you know I'm in the Navy SEALS, etc etc etc....
Quit lying faggot. As soon as you started spouting Freudian mothering nonsense I stopped reading.
I know all I need to know about you already. You nurse deep feelings of inadequacy. Even if all the shit you said about yourself is true, you still feel as though it's not enough. You feel that women will inevitably cheat on you anyway, so you might as well enjoy it instead of feeling (rightly) incensed about the betrayal. It's easier that way, isn't it? And it's so much easier to use "ur mom hue hue" Freudian bullshit arguments than actually owning up to your own worthless self pity that you keep trying to promote on this board. Misery loves company. It makes you feel less like a pathetic scab when you know that there are other men out there that are deep down just as beta as you are.
>>579917 I have a tip that could prove a valuable life lesson for you. Not every person in the world thinks the same way you do, or fits into the boundaries of your psychoanalysis. Not even the most experienced psychologist in the field can do that, because it's not possible. So quit thinking you can. Yes, many of the people who are addressing do in fact fit the bill. However, some others spend decades trying to convince their wives to open up a bit sexually, instead of accepting vanilla sex for the rest of their lives.
I could just as well make the argument that being overly possessive about your women to the point where you succumb to launching attacks on guys who do not feel the same way is actually likely to mean that it's YOU nurse deep feelings of insecurity, because clearly it's you who can't handle the very thought of your woman looking at anyone else, and have deep-rooted fears about your woman leaving you if you give her any sort of freedom to decide about her own life. But I won't, since I'm not a pseudo-alpha know-it-all cretin.
>Not every person in the world thinks the same way you do, or fits into the boundaries of your psychoanalysis. Not even the most experienced psychologist in the field can do that, because it's not possible. So quit thinking you can.
And yet you expect people to believe that they all fit into this "all men want to fuck their mothers" Freudian psychosis nonsense
It's a non sequitur
A fucking "your mom" joke enshrined as fact by fucking idiots who think they understand how the human brain works because they read the words of a coked-up pervert from 100 years ago
>I could just as well make the argument that being overly possessive about your women to the point where you succumb to launching attacks on guys who do not feel the same way is actually likely to mean that it's YOU nurse deep feelings of insecurity, because clearly it's you who can't handle the very thought of your woman looking at anyone else, and have deep-rooted fears about your woman leaving you if you give her any sort of freedom to decide about her own life
This is classic deflection, an absolutely textbook "I'm rubber, you're glue" schoolyard bullshit argument tactic, not falling for this one
>But I won't, since I'm not a pseudo-alpha know-it-all cretin.
>>579933 I'm not the guy was talking about mothers, so shut the fuck up. It doesn't have anything to do with the argument anyway.
The fact that you assign the term "betrayal" to each and every case where a woman is permitted to have extra-marital relations gives clear indication of your limited ability to process the feeling of not being in control, which is not the trait of someone who is fully secure with himself, by any means. Some people want it to happen, and work hard to make it happen. Personally, I'm incredibly fascinated by a woman unleashing her slutty side, and that's about all there is to it for me, since my woman considers me too good to even want to consider going out screwing others. It doesn't have to have anything to do with what you think.
>The fact that you assign the term "betrayal" to each and every case where a woman is permitted to have extra-marital relations
I get the indication that you're trying to paint me as some kind of hypocrite, but it's no less of a betrayal if it's the man in the relationship cuckolding his gf or wife. You're trying to spin some serious bullshit if you think I made any claims to the contrary
>gives clear indication of your limited ability to process the feeling of not being in control, which is not the trait of someone who is fully secure with himself, by any means.
Not wanting my hypothetical gf to fuck around on me, especially after I've taken her out on dates and shit, trusted her with secrets and all that relationship business, makes me insecure? Expecting a modicum of loyalty from a woman with whom I have invested time, money, and emotional energy makes me insecure? Just to be sure, as I've already stated, this is of course not a one way street. I can already feel you trying to paint me in a corner, but she ought to expect the same from me.
No, it's not insecure. It's called having an adult relationship that isn't built upon a foundation of anything goes fuckery
>Some people want it to happen, and work hard to make it happen.
These people are fucked, they've either converted their angst into sexual fuel out by way of defense mechanism, or they are perverse egomaniacs who get off by giving so called "lesser" men the scraps of his conquests (such as the Anon from before, who I'm still 100% sure is lying to make himself feel better about the fact that his girl is the town bicycle)
>>579951 Military guy here again. Wow. Your hypothetical gf? So your single? How's those black and white moralistic ideas working for you? They are apparently not. But mine are and the Cucks are. You judge a method by its product and your product sucks.
Btw, I never claimed you wanted to fuck your mother. I said you had abandonment and hatred possibly toward women starting with your mother. Your comprehensive reading skills suck as bad as your logic and reek as bad as your ego.
You are seriously retarded. I'm not telling you whether or not I have a girlfriend. I'm saying "hypothetical" because I have no honest way of proving that I have one or not, it's a hypothetical condition for a hypothetical scenario for sake of argument, you stupid shit. It's real rich that you're trying to ridicule my reading comprehension when you're having a hard enough time trying to understand the words I am typing
> I said you had abandonment and hatred possibly toward women starting with your mother.
More Freudian coke dreams and baseless projections, opinion discarded
If you must know, my mother is a very nice lady, been married to my dad for decades, never fucked around, and was a great mother to me and my sibling(s). There was no abandonment.
>You judge a method by its product and your product sucks.
The fruit of your method is a woman who fucks around and lets you watch.
Dress it up how you want, you're the "real man" for "letting" her fuck other dudes, sure thing man. That makes you feel cool and alpha when you're sitting in a chair jerking it while some chump is going to town on your girl 3 feet away on your bed.
It sure beats thinking about the reality of the situation, that she would rather be fucking this other schmuck anyway, and the fact that you get off on her whoring out just makes it easier for her to get what she really wants from other men while simultaneously siphoning material and emotional resources from you. She won the fucking jackpot, dude. Not only beta bucks and alpha fucks, but the pathetic little bitch beta actually gets off on watching her get her brains fucked out by superior males! She can't lose at this point, all because you're unable or unwilling to take a fucking stand.
#1: I can see why your girl wants to fuck other men
#2: It was a reference to copypasta, I'm basically saying that you're a retard trying to talk tough on the internet
>Does that mean my women suffer from the same affliction of insecurity
Women are insecurity incarnate, c'mon man I thought with your "extensive knowledge" you would understand this very basic fact about women's prime motivation always being about look good for other people
>that men like u do?
True insecurity is letting your wife/gf fuck around with whoever she wants because you know that she'll leave you if you ever dare to put your foot down.
I'm a poor but good looking guy. My girlfriend lets me fuck whomever I please.. the only rule is that it's pure sex, the moment I feel something for someone else, I have to cut off that relationship. That rule goes both ways, but my girlfriend doesn't make use of it. I like cuckold porn.. not the over the top "you can't fuck me" nonsense, just letting another guy fuck your girl and watching. It's hot to me.
How on earth does that make me a sad little beta who can't satisfy women? How does that make me abused? I don't even have money.. she pays for my stuff sometimes, never the other way round.
>>580009 >True insecurity is letting your wife/gf fuck around True insecurity is basing the success/failure of a relationship based on sex. If the only judge you have of whether a woman is betraying or using you, us if she fucks other people, you have a fucked up perception of relationships.
There's more to relationships than sex. Actually your bullshit basically says
>I GIVE HER MONEY AND TIME AND I EXPECT HER TO ONLY HAVE SEX WITH ME.
But hey, if that's all you care about (You're 15, right?), have fun!
>>580009 Ok, you realize not all morals are the sane right? There is no such thing as moral continuance.
My folks have been married 25 years. Still loyal. But they know what I do and do not judge.
Point is, not everyone is like you. Our relationships work. Get over yourself. Lol your ego is blinding you. We are different from you. Your generalizations and steryotypes indicate a lack of higher reasoning abilities. That and the fact you totally missed that I said "possible" mommy issues. Still having trouble reading. Ha
Goodday, my fucked up friend. Enjoy your basement, I have a convoy to drive in.
>>580047 Dude, military guy here again. Dude, seriously? Do you think we don't love our gfs? We DO. Sex is fun. Purely recreational. I have not been with my girls for three years because they fuck me. I would have moved on a long time ago if that were the case because I enjoy the hunt more than the actual sex. I have caught them. I stay with them because I love them. They stay with me and each other because they love me and we want to build a future.
Btw, both make more than I do. Lol so I'm not buying them. Get off your high horse. You lost this argument a long time ago.
Your logical fallacies are numerous, your reasoning is flawed and you have zero tolerance. In other words, a social troglodyte.
>True insecurity is basing the success/failure of a relationship based on sex. If the only judge you have of whether a woman is betraying or using you, us if she fucks other people, you have a fucked up perception of relationships.
So because you can't or won't understand the basic underlying nature of how people work, the give and take that is inherent in all relationships, I have a fucked up perception?
No, that's not how it works, you don't understand what is happening around you, you are running on pure instinct and conjecture and therefore it is you who has a fucked up perception, likely developed totally willingly on your part so that you can follow this anything goes lifestyle with a good conscious.
Isn't it generally accepted that if you aren't sexually compatible with a person, the relationship is likely to fail? Is this not the general failsafe advice that is given when two people can't get it together in the bedroom? Get bent.
>There's more to relationships than sex. Actually your bullshit basically says >I GIVE HER MONEY AND TIME AND I EXPECT HER TO ONLY HAVE SEX WITH ME.
Actually you are right, it's not just about sex, in fact I already mentioned that it's an EMOTIONAL investment as well as a financial one. Gee, arguments are so much easier when you misrepresent what the other person is trying to say isn't it?
Your facetious statement is actually very telling, it speaks directly to what I said earlier in the thread about you people going into relationships knowing that she's going to fuck around on you anyway, might as well enjoy the ride etc. Maybe if you didn't have such low self esteem, maybe if you cared a little more about the things going on in your life you wouldn't have this problem where girls fuck around on you and force you to develop this "uhhh it's ok baby, I won't judge you we all have needs right :)" beta fucking attitude
Not even going to bother with your moral relativism bullshit, just because you yourself can't separate right from wrong doesn't mean that the distinction doesn't exist, it mean you're too blinded by lust or whatever it is to see the world around you for what it is.
>Your generalizations and steryotypes indicate a lack of higher reasoning abilities
Actually, I can tell that I'm hitting a nerve here and that it's making you squirm under the pressure, you can't talk your way out of the fact that your girl is bored with you and wants to fuck other guys so instead you claim "m-muh moral relativism that's just your opinion man". Even if she doesn't want to fuck other dudes this mindset is so ingrained in you that you even go as far as to suggest to her that you want her to do it, just to somehow prove yourself right, it's sick.
Hook, line, and sinker. lol. Who caught who I wonder?
>You lost this argument a long time ago.
Claiming victory when your only argument is "MORAL RELATIVISM MAN I CAN DO WHAT I WANT IT DOESN'T MATTER HUEHUEHUE NOTHING IS REAL EXCEPT THE FEELING I GET WHEN I CUM"
Yeah, I'll be taking my victory lap now, have fun with your defense mechanism, hope it makes you feel better as you cruise along in last place. Give me a fucking break with this claiming victory shit when you haven't got a single argument except "I'll do whatever it takes to get a nut, monogamy is for losers lol"
>They stay with me and each other because they love me and we want to build a future.
Hahaha oh jeeze. They want to build a future with you? Both of them? At the same time? You Mormon bro? I'm kidding.
Protip: they don't love you, they are using you as much as you are using them, you are so used to this kind of behavior from women that you think that it's normal and acceptable, even more than that you derive sick pleasure from it.
>Moral relativism is very real. It's been proven over and over.
So you're saying
>Different groups of people have different ideas about what is right and what is wrong >This means that there is no real right or wrong
Please call your alma mater right now and beg them for a refund. Just because people throughout the years have broken the 'rules' and encouraged others to do the same in order to further their own agenda does not mean that the 'rules' never existed and aren't still applicable.
>I seriously think your jealous.
Why would I be jealous of a guy whose girlfriend fucks around on him? You think I want to live a life where loyalty and commitment in a relationship mean nothing? It's not selfish or childish to expect these things from your partner, especially from one that you've been with for a while, these are great qualities for people to have which allow them to forge stronger bonds with others and have greater relationships. It doesn't have that instant gratification aspect inherent in just fucking around with whomever, but in the end it is the stronger foundation. Fucking lol dude.
>Your whole argument has been one point over and over with no real reasoning or supporting evidence.
Just like yours. As I've said, I'm trying to tell you like it is, maybe later in life after you'll come to realize that I'm telling you all of this in your best interest.
>Well, I'm done with you (...) Laters, more important things than you out there. I am almost home and after that you won't really see me here till next training period.
Good riddance, but when you get shipped out I genuinely hope that you can focus on avoiding landmines instead of thinking about how your girl back home is getting railed every Friday and Saturday night because she lacks the fortitude to remain faithful, even to a man who is willing to sacrifice his life for his college tuition or his country or whatever reason it is that you joined in the first place
You are neither clever nor funny. This isn't about the ideals of the 1950's, a wife and kids and a house in the suburbs and all of that, this is human gender dynamics 101. Cuckoldry is not only admitting that you aren't man enough to satisfy your partner, but actually taking pleasure in the fact that your gf/wife is receiving satisfaction elsewhere and letting you watch as she gets it. Wallowing in feelings of inadequacy and self pity at it's most perverse.
Otherwise it's what, some kind of power thing where you get off on passing your girl around to your friends? Like she is some piece of property that you are so graciously sharing with others? That's no less toxic of a worldview.
This shit applies to any decade, not just the 1950's. Here's an analogy: ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law. The same principle applies to morality. Please note that I'm not saying that The Law = Morality, we all know that some laws are unjust, but they share this principle where you can't just say "lalala i didn't know it doesn't exist" and get away with it without somebody calling you out, at the very least
>>580104 We're both committed. We have chosen each other as life partners, the end. It might be culturally unacceptable to keep fucking other people on the side, but that doesn't mean we're not committed to our relationship. It's not about sex.
>>580112 Relationships are not based on sex. The idea that sexual commitment is somehow the cornerstone of a relationship is nothing more than years Christian morality seeping into everyday culture. I intensely love and will never leave my partner, I am committed. Having casual sex on the side does not make me any less committed in any important way.
In Chinese cuisines, the talon of poultry is prized over the breast because texture, and the way the talon holds flavour, is more important than quantity of flesh. In many other worldly cuisines, the opposite is true.
Oh boy here we go, crying about the 'evil' Christians for trying to force people into recognizing the importance of the traditional familial unit. How dare they try to promote the idea that we could all get along in peace if we learn to control our base urges, not wallow in them and actually focus on other more important things? Those bastards think they can just go around telling people that commitment, loyalty, and faithfulness to your partner is the best way to get along in life? They should've considered our feelings when they wrote down long ago, the evils of fucking around with just whoever crosses your path!
That said religion is neither here nor there in this discussion, trying to talk about this in terms of morality is futile because we are on a porn board. Let the record show that I have not once used "muh God" as an argument ITT
>Relationships are not based on sex.
Not completely, no, that's my point. Faithfulness applies to other areas of the relationship as well, and honestly if I can't trust my girlfriend to not to fuck around when I'm away, how can I trust her in any other aspect? If she's going to cut corners in one respect it's safe to assume that she'll cut corners in other areas as well. It's a sign that it's not really me that she's interested in, but rather the perks of being in a relationship while simultaneously retaining and making use of the perks of being single. It's a sign of a person who has problems with commitment.
>I am committed. Having casual sex on the side does not make me any less committed in any important way.
Actually it means that you're not fully committed to your partner. That's why I implied that you don't know what the word actually means. You're saying that you're committed to her, and yet you act as if you're not. You may never leave her, but you are not fully committed if you're still out there banging chicks. Sexual commitment isn't everything, but you can't say that it doesn't play a rather large role
>>580130 >Not completely, no, that's my point. Faithfulness applies to other areas of the relationship as well, and honestly if I can't trust my girlfriend to not to fuck around when I'm away, how can I trust her in any other aspect? If she's going to cut corners in one respect it's safe to assume that she'll cut corners in other areas as well. It's a sign that it's not really me that she's interested in, but rather the perks of being in a relationship while simultaneously retaining and making use of the perks of being single. It's a sign of a person who has problems with commitment.
Do you trust your girlfriend to not drink coffee when you're away? 'cause if she drinks coffee, how can you trust her in other areas?
That's the entire point. Of course you didn't bring up God as a point, for all I know you're an atheist.. that doesn't matter. You are viewing relationships in the context of a culture based on Christianity.
Commitment, loyalty, and faithfulness to your partner are absolutely necessary for a healthy relationship, can't go without them really. But those are just words. You and your partner decide what those words are going to mean in your relationship. Sexual commitment doesn't have to mean anything if you don't feel like it does.
>but you can't say that it doesn't play a rather large role That's exactly what I'm saying. Maybe it does for you, but it doesn't have to be for other people.. everyone has different values. A country having a single culture is in the past.. any expert will tell you that we live in a time of sub-cultures. The overlapping culture is too big to feel a part of, so people want to form smaller groups within it, tailored to their more personal values.. the same is happening in the bedroom, only less visible for obvious reasons.
Actually, it's all about the texture. The indentations in the talon are like little flavour channels that translate the flavour of the sauce to the tongue really well. The wings are another favourite for the same reason. Plus they're crunchy.
Other cuisines, especially the Western and modern cuisines, have an aversion to feet based on visual appeal and something about, well, feet. A lot of what the proverbial West eats is based on Christian doctrine. Poultry was largely considered to be a "dirty" beast; duck especially.
>Do you trust your girlfriend to not drink coffee when you're away? 'cause if she drinks coffee, how can you trust her in other areas?
That is a non sequitur, her drinking coffee is not a telltale sign that she is unhappy with the relationship and wants to be with other men
Her fucking another guy, on the other hand, is a definitive red flag that says that the boyfriend is not good enough for her, in her view. He does not satisfy her perceived needs, so she looks elsewhere. Trying to justify it any other way is akin to burying your head in the sand and pretending that motives aren't real and we just bump along doing whatever because whatever it doesn't matter anyway
>Commitment, loyalty, and faithfulness to your partner are absolutely necessary for a healthy relationship, can't go without them really. But those are just words. You and your partner decide what those words are going to mean in your relationship. Sexual commitment doesn't have to mean anything if you don't feel like it does.
Actually, words have these things called "definitions", contrary to popular belief words don't just mean whatever arbitrary definition that you give them, each word has a solid, concrete definition that can be found in the latest edition of a book called a "Dictionary". If you don't have a copy of the book you can also go to a website called www.dictionary.com and look up words for free.
This is how language works. Symbols that make up words. Each word represents an object, person, place, or idea. Words can become muddled and arbitrary, so that's why we have a compendium full of words and their meanings for easy reference, the aforementioned Dictionary. This method of words and symbols used to convey ideas is called communication.
>that doesn't matter. You are viewing relationships in the context of a culture based on Christianity.
Christianity did not invent monogamy, nor self respect nor the idea of committing yourself to your partner
>>580139 Look, your a moralistic fuck. PROVE to me that sex outside the relationship is wrong. Prove it.
Did you know that evangelical, moral Christians are the most likely to cheat according to multiple polls? Your morality is shit and you are a dying breed. Can't wait for your kind to stop holding society back. You ranting to all these people will change jack shit. Have fun wasting your valuable time.
>>580139 >Commitment the act of committing. >loyalty the state or quality of being loyal. >faithfulness true to one's word, promises, vows, etc.
Just words. The question is what your promises are.
>Her fucking another guy, on the other hand, is a definitive red flag that says that the boyfriend is not good enough for her, in her view. He does not satisfy her perceived needs, so she looks elsewhere. Trying to justify it any other way is akin to burying your head in the sand and pretending that motives aren't real and we just bump along doing whatever because whatever it doesn't matter anyway
If both parties are doing it, that means both parties are not satisfied with just their partner for sex.. which is normal and healthy. Why do you think everyone keeps cheating on their partners? Because one is not enough for the majority of people.. so why not have your cake and eat it too? There is no reason to restrain each other sexually, just because you're insecure.
>Christianity did not invent monogamy, nor self respect nor the idea of committing yourself to your partner. I already explained that commitment does not need to involve sexual commitment, and that this is in fact a pretty shallow commitment. Casual sex being disrespectful is definitely a Christian invention. As for monogamy.. I don't know where your roots lie, but I'm a northern European. My ancestry is mostly Celtic and Saxon.. they had single partners, and open sexual relationships. In Europe, the Roman empire and their early Christianity are what spread monogamy.
So because of the subjectivity of taste and cuisine you're going to try and conflate this into meaning that ideas like faithfulness to your partner are also subjective
Because Chinese people like chicken feet and we don't, you go on to believe that somehow the stable familial unit is not the cornerstone of society, but instead a vague social construct based upon subjective notions that are inherently silly and meaningless
Listen, nothing has changed between now and then, except now we have better tech and different governments. You lack the discipline to commit, it's not that the "old ways" don't apply to the modern age, it's that the modern man and woman lack the fortitude to even attempt it. So instead of fixing themselves they claim that it's all subjective bullshit anyway so why even try. I'm here to tell you that is a personal failing, and not a failing of those in the past who tried to teach future generations how to live a decent life.
>>580152 >you go on to believe that somehow the stable familial unit is not the cornerstone of society Can't be a family if you have casual sex on the side?
>Listen, nothing has changed between now and then, except now we have better tech and different governments. Knowledge happened you idiot. Literacy is a recent thing, and the internet even more so.. 200 years ago, nobody knew anything outside the narrow life they led in their narrow community. Most people didn't leave their town throughout their lives.
>how to live a decent life. According to what? I thought you were just a little closed minded, probably hadn't given it much thought or whatever.. but it seems you're a straight up conservative. Times change, now faster than ever, deal with it.
Another jackass trying to paint me into some religious corner
>Look, your a moralistic fuck. PROVE to me that sex outside the relationship is wrong. Prove it.
The erosion of morality precedes the fall of every great empire, at some point people just stop giving a fuck, it may take decades or it might take centuries, but it starts rolling downhill once the majority stops giving a fuck. Open up a history book.
Anyway I'm not even talking about morality, this is a board for hardcore pornography you idiot. I'm talking about being a man, having some fucking pride and not sitting down and taking it when your wife/gf brings another man home
>Why do you think everyone keeps cheating on their partners?
Because people lack self control, always thinking about the short term gains instead of the long term?
>Because one is not enough for the majority of people
Oops, should have known that you'd go straight for the "waaahhhh it's too haaaaard :(" excuses
>There is no reason to restrain each other sexually, just because you're insecure.
You're so insecure that you can't bear the thought of telling someone else "no", you seek validation from as many partners as you can while permitting your girlfriend to do the same because you know that she wouldn't stay with you otherwise, it's been 11 years of the same shit and she's bored but you can't bear to lose her so you've acquiesced. Meanwhile trying to spin my calling you out as some insecurity on my part as a smokescreen. You have no room to talk.
>commitment doesn't involve commitment
You are fucking stoned, come back when you've sobered up and are thinking clearly.
>>580156 >Because people lack self control, always thinking about the short term gains instead of the long term? They cheat on their partners because they want to. If both partners want to, why would it be lack of self control if they did? Why should they refrain?
>Oops, should have known that you'd go straight for the "waaahhhh it's too haaaaard :(" excuses I'm not trying to stay monogamous.. the fact that it's so hard for people shows that it's not their normal state.
>You're so insecure that you can't bear the thought of telling someone else "no", you seek validation from as many partners as you can while permitting your girlfriend to do the same because you know that she wouldn't stay with you otherwise, it's been 11 years of the same shit and she's bored but you can't bear to lose her so you've acquiesced. Meanwhile trying to spin my calling you out as some insecurity on my part as a smokescreen. You have no room to talk. Please tell me more, mr. armchair psychologist. I can speculate about your reasons all day as well.
>commitment doesn't involve commitment Your definition of commitment is only in your head. Take your own advice and read a dictionary.
>You are fucking stoned, come back when you've sobered up and are thinking clearly. Really? Make a damn argument.
>>580159 Thread was already dead, and clearly someone here does give a shit what I do in my bedroom. Try not to make obvious jokes, I know it's easy and tempting, but try.
>They cheat on their partners because they want to.
Exactly, they lack self control.
>If both partners want to, why would it be lack of self control if they did?
Because they both lack the fortitude to commit to one another.
>Why should they refrain?
Because hedonism isn't the answer.
>I'm not trying to stay monogamous.. the fact that it's so hard for people shows that it's not their normal state.
So if it's hard that means it's not worth doing? Difficulty in life isn't natural all of a sudden? Man you need to wise the fuck up.
>Please tell me more, mr. armchair psychologist. I can speculate about your reasons all day as well.
That's exactly what you've been doing, trying to paint me as some religious whackjob from the 50's or whatever the fuck strawman you've been trying to make of me all thread. I merely turned the tables.
>Your definition of commitment is only in your head. Take your own advice and read a dictionary.
If you commit in all areas EXCEPT sexually, guess what fucktard? You aren't fully committed to her. Sure, you've decided you'll be there for her when she needs you. Maybe you even love her. But you're still fucking other girls. You have not committed fully.
>Really? Make a damn argument.
I did but you're evidently too fucking baked to read, it's time to get off the internet and have yourself a little weed nap to clear your head
I've been reading a little through your cuckold vs monogamous arguments and i must say that everyone on this thread is a misinformed ape.
Why ape? Because our sexual behaviour is dictated by thousands of years of evolution.
You see, boys and girls, in the olden days, when we were little more than groups of primates fighting for survival in caves and in trees there were only two types of males who procreated in significant numbers: - the alphas, who, through the countless generations, honed instincts like posesivity and jealousy (because asertiveness is based on these), on top of the instinct to procreate no matter who fucked their women first - the betas, who had only one way to reproduce, namely, by fucking alpha leftovers. Basicaly, one evolved with the mindframe "i'll fuck all that moves an keep it for myself" and the other with "i'll fuck everything i can regardless to whom they belong". Now, and i can't stress this enough, this was such a common practice that the shape of our dicks evolved especially to pull out other men's semen from vaginas. So get it through your heads, all males have a geneticaly programed circuit in their brain that automatically makes fucked women desirable. It is a natural evolutionary trait developed in order for males to pass over their genes regardless of who got to the pussy first.
This beeing said, cuckolding is an exageration, to the point of actively seeking it, of that instinct in a society where it is no longer needed. It's like beeing born with a tail. Not necessarily bad but not usefull either.
The problem with it is when it gets exagerated in an individual with alpha traits such as posessivity an jealousy since they are both primal instincts and it generates disruptive behaviours which, in turn, lead to furder psychological degradation.
>>580386 Betas don't really have much problems with it since they are not exactly posessive, but they should, however, ponder of what this activity means to their mates since women are wired significantly different from men when it comes to sexual behaviour. Women also have the imperative to create the best offspring possible and, therfore, evolved a selective mechanism based on their own self esteem. Their attraction is based more on their perception of their self image with a male rather than on the male's immediate attractive features. You can try to rationalize it whichever way you want but whoring out an individual who is the product of hundreds of thoushands of years of evolution as an object of desire is bad mmmmkay.
Anyway, if a beta with minimal posesivity instincts finds a woman with sufficently high self esteem that her attraction instincts fail to work then yeah, it's possible for that relation to work. The bad news is that by all psychiatrical definitions the both of them are psychopaths and, as such, not encouraged to procreate.
Moral of this story is: Gentlemen, if you find yourselves in the condition described above, you are promoting non essential, possible disruptive, genes. Take into consideration the fact that you are not required to breed.
>>580386 stop using flimsy research by women scientists trying to justify why they can't get it in. evolutionary psychology my ass the reason men won't fuck you isn't because of their shoe size or because of the way you smell.
>>580064 Holy shit, you're a fucking retard. I bet you think you're the smartest guy in any room you ever stood in, that you deserve all the sex you want. I bet further that you are sexually frustrated and I can see that you have no ability to think beyond your wants or needs because you're a self loathing, narcissist.
To the military guy >>579982 or whoever likes cuckohold stuff, If your gf gets fucked then pregnant from one of her partners, would you agree to keep the child and raise it, be it her wish ? If it is not her wish to keep it, would you try to convince her otherwise ? [The question is to understand your commitment, not about abortion, nor willing to have children and so on, so let us focus purely on the origin of the child]
If your gf wishes to go deeper in a relationship with another partner, would go with her ? As for the guy saying this is not the place for a discussion; 4chan allows this and is part of its greatness and the guy having the strongest notion of a commitment does post relevant picture. Plus the discussion is for once well debated.
Fucking kek, so mad, I must have hit a nerve somewhere. I thought you liked this humiliation shit? Are you going to pussy out now? Little baby pussy gonna cry?
>I bet you think you're the smartest guy in any room you ever stood in, that you deserve all the sex you want.
Wrong on both counts.
a) I'm almost never the smartest guy in the room, I'm just smarter than you b) I deserve nothing
>hue hue narcissistic shitlord
Expecting your partner not to cheat on you isn't narcissistic, it's something that most people expect from whoever they're with
Except for the betas getting off on their own misfortune and feelings of inadequacy, such as your self
Stay mad, I hope that I cross your mind the next time your girl's getting jackhammered and lets you watch. Remember these feelings of shame and humiliation, let them wash over you just as the spurts of some dude's nut washes over your gf/wife's face and tits.
Of course, these guys are unfit to breed and on some level they know it. On some level they believe that they aren't good enough for this girl, this is tough to accept and you want to keep her happy, so you develop this defense mechanism of a fetish to deal with the fact that you're a weak man who doesn't deserve to pass your genes. Might as well get something out of it though - that's where the fetish for watching comes in
Can we do all of /hc/ a favor and let this bull shit die? Here's how it goes:
If you let your girl fuck another man or becoming emotionally involved/attached/desired to another man, and you're "okay with it", you're a beta.
If you are semi possessive, expect respect, loyalty and commitment and give some of this in return, you are alpha.
I have a big dick so don't really have to worry about all this not pleasing stuff but seriously. I came back to see this thread in fucking mid march and just today saw a thread again with my favorite fetish (I know it's not technically a fetsih, as stated above) and yknow what? THis is the same godamn thread but with a buncha fools debating cuckolding... smh
She ought to hold me to the same standard, of course. What did you think I would say? That I would go on this long diatribe against cuckoldry and unfaithfulness, and then turn around and say that it's okay for me or other men, but not for women?
>>580130 There is a lot of different types of relationships. Poly is one of them and there is also tons of sub groups under that. as for Christian bashing,(me being catholic) I love it when they say some bs on how it is immoral.... Lol, read the bible the is plenty of examples of multi partner relationships. Who cares if he is a caulk or if he just likes to watch. He is confident enough to allow her to have fun on the side no big deal. No your kink and that's ok.
its actually "knowing you can have what you want" = alpha. Some people misinterpret this because they get cheated on while having this mindset and go "well this can't be the way to be alpha then". When they should be realizing that this cheating girl is in fact garbage and not something an alpha would care about to begin with / at all.
>>579933 I work as a counselor for megalomaniac narcissists and I can tell you from my experience, this guy has serious emotional issues. Don't even bother to engage with people like this, they have no benefit to themselves or others. In fact, i'm willing to bet that this particular poster is already balding in his late 20's, has almost no relationship with his parents or any family for that matter. He most likely doesn't have very much luck with females in general due to his multitude of behavioral issues.
>>597643 Whining about someone else being beta sure as shit isn't alpha. Whining isn't alpha, full stop. More betas means more pussy for you, if you're an alpha. Bitching on 4chan about how "betas" or "cucks" make men look bad (i.e. make you feel insecure) is a pretty clear indicator that you're not one.
First time in years I've seen someone so butthurt they typed out entire essays practically seething in hurtanuses while claiming to be not mad, and it's on a fucking porn board. Thanks /hc/. Came for fap, got it and a good laugh.
You may be on to something. You're more likely to come across as a creep with motives she will fail to understand if you keep insisting that it would be "hot" to watch him fuck someone else, instead of talking about what YOU would be doing to her. Women don't respect that kind of guy too much.
On the other hand, vast majority of women have fantasies about being with more than one man at once. And women do respect men who are secure enough to consider engaging in such a threesome without all the babbling about how it's supposedly "gay". And yes, the idea is that you join in and give her the ride of her life, and not just fap in a corner with a stupid grin on your face.
Of course, these are all broad generalizations and do not apply to each and every case. No need for the hate though.
>>580133 At this point in world history, everything worth replicating has been. Moral relativism guy has a solid point here: that distinctions persist are because of cultural momentum.
Why are you(/people on 4ch in general) so pissy about "betas" and cucks anyway? There's always giant flames when they get posted. Doesn't that seem like a nerve is being struck? A nerve like, say, fear of losing male dominance?
Do you all really want to suck your lives dry fretting over that?
>>584363 We could use more people who gave a damn. Bullying people for caring about things, whatever they are, is so short sighted. Does it make you feel that much better about your deadend life to pretend that other people who aren't stuck are somehow worse than you?
I agree the bullying aspect is completely unproductive, however humans really are extremely social creatures, we judge and analyze others around us constantly and my theory as to why we attack others attitudes or beliefs so readily in some cases is because we all fall pray to a kind of "social zero sum" fallacy.
As in if you don't like or do or believe what I do, then you are somehow devaluing what I believe and what I like, even when what you like or do has no tangible effect on anyone else.
ITT: Dumb niggers. “srs comitted to each other, we just fuck other people.” I'm not gonna go pseudo-psychiatrist, quoting Jung and Freud never helps. but fuck, you really think your girl gives two shits about you? Just saying you're faithful or comitted doesn't make it so. You're not in a relationship. You're one of many men providing a slut with cock.
Wow military dude got PWN SO HARD!! De-rail de-graded bombed his mofo ass to shhhittt! Time to call it quits soldier...your services are not needed, today or tomorrow...you know what just clean my truck after I cum back from railing shit and ducking shit up!
That was quite an argument. The pictures along the way helped with commercial breaks. Lol
>>579933 I like this guy. His content's much better than some jews pics of his jewess riding a limp chimp.
He's right about cuckolding too. Wanting to reproduce is innate to mankind. Embracing other men fucking a woman you want instead of you is a way of trying to quit the competition. Alternate ways of quitting include becoming a faggot and claiming you don't have a sex drive or are done with women.
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