I hate the hentai Kendamono-Tachi no Sumu le de. I mean I really hate it. Reason being is because the plot is shit. You have this amazing hot girl, getting fucked by 2 ugly old guys because shes getting blackmailed by them and to just to piss off her current boyfriend who is an illagitamate child who is young and good looking. You would think the ending would turn things around. It didn't. She breaks up with her boyfriend (you never see them fuck at all, or see her masturbate when she really wants to) and then she is just a fuck slave for a bunch of ugly ass guys, and old fat people. Like she is amazingly hot. But the only fucking you see are with an old fat guy, and a younger but uglier fucker. What I guess I am saying is, The hentai I hate the most are the ones where its an old fat guy, or ugly mother fucker, that have sex with a really hot young attractive female.
> Post what hentai pisses you off the most.
> Pic related (this is the main girl and one of the ugly fuckers that fuck her)
Yeah, the plot and the girl are retarded. You can have a happy ending at the start of the game if you decide to avoid your "family" though. That doesn't even have a sex scene. It's a fucking joke that you don't get anyhing for not acting like a retard.
Most NTR relies on the characters being brain dead, though.
Hentai I personally hate:
Most of the stuff Hana Hook and Shiruka Bakaudon produce.
The first one always recycles the same stupid plot and characters, degrading women to sows that would rather ruin their own lives and abandon their prebuscent kids just to be fucked all day long (normally, that would lead to them dying of starvation, but it's Hana Hook logic).
The second one depicts horrible rape scenarios I can't get aroused by at all. They feel very red pill-like.
Coincidentally, both of these artists are women.
Pic related is Shiruka Bakaudon.
> The fucking mess of a plot
> wasting each character
> the same sex over and over
> they introduced magic, but it had as much effect as taking off a condom
> vault was a betas wet dream
> orcs are fucking over used
> dark elf rape us the fucking whitr noise of hentai creativity
> the animation looped to much
> the cum went to Looney tunes level of ridiculousness
> THAT DISAPPOINTING ASS ENDING
>It's a fucking joke that you don't get anyhing for not acting like a retard.
>Buy game with NETORARE in the title knowing full well it's a NETORARE game.
>Choose to avoid the NETORARE.
>Surprised when you don't get any non-NETORARE sexual scenes.
I don't even mind who she fucks with, be it some old guy or an animal, point is, I watch her getting fucked and enjoy her gradually liking it.
I never really understood why people point out the old men in ntr so much. Wth, do you watch hentai for the guys or the gal? As long as she got cummed inside, outside, swallowed, or showered with cum, wth does the guy matter.
Unless, the guy is what turns you on, at that point I tip my hat to you for coming clean. Express or implied.
I've always enjoyed the complaints about ntr since vanilla vs. ntr became a thing. People put themselves in the shoes of the mc too much. It's almost hilarious reading them that I can't help chuckle as I read their tirade. Or, their morals got hurt in the process as a result of watching it.
As always, there's a thin line between reality and fantasy, and I say they're dangerously close to losing themselves when they rage against the hentai they saw.
On a personal level, I don't have qualms with most fetishes, but between vanilla and ntr, I'd go with NTR as most women are appealing. They have that certain spark which latches on to you. But the same also applies to the very same people which hate NTR.
They just can't mentally shut out the guy. Hell, I'd rather have the guy be transparent or they don't show the guy at all or it's from a POV.
>losing your internet cool because of 2D
>have less mental fortitude than a woman who got abused as fuck growing up
I dislike her work as well but this is just too fucking much, if you don't like it then walk away.
people just can't seem to tell the difference between a good ntr and a bad one
is it because there are older men who also watch hentai?
I think there's a hentai about some 35/40 yr old guy who met a highschool slut and offered him to relieve his sexual frustration. I forgot the title though, but that hentai is probably something men in that age in japan can probably relate to.
As far as I'm aware of most of the guys who like vanilla feel this strange compulsion to state to whoever is near them how they hate ntr and wanted it gone because of this and because of that. I check the comment sections on any kind of distribution portal for this kind of media (panda, bakabt, nyaa, fakku, etc) and even with the tags being pretty much there and perfectly visible for everyone to see they still go there and start bitching on how they disliked the manga/douj for exactly those netorare elements they were just warned it contained.
OP just did the exact same thing. He just tried to avoid using the word netorare and threw in some "plot" excuses instead
well I guess too much vanilla removed the rapist out of you
There's always that couple of persons who complain about it in every site which hosts them.
iirc there's this one guy who said he just got cheated on a week before he watched this certain hentai and hated it because of the ntr which hurt his feelings.
proceeded to apologize in the end though, he admitted he was emotionally unstable due to what transpired
Story being true or not, it still made me giggle.
good or bad aside, people would still complain because, you know, they feel too much and are paranoid that it might happen to them
>is it because there are older men who also watch hentai?
it's more practicable to think so rather than the opposite.
Keep in mind that she and Chocola have the same voice actress, OP.
>reading porn for the plot
There's your problem. It's one thing to appreciate a good plot in porn, it's another thing to actually expect a good plot in fucking porn. Are you retarded? People are there for the sex first and foremost, a nice plot is just extra, it's not necessary. As long as the scenes are hot, literally who gives a shit? Plot be damned. I never understood people who value that in porn. It must be autism. It's as dumb as valuing the plot in a fucking Mario or Sonic game.
Here: Oyako Rankan
Not NTR in the title, but advertised as such everywhere. The point of the entire game is to impregnate the girls themselves and fend off the NTR guys by protecting and romancing them. There's even a possible harem ending for the MC.
I don't think she's literally everyywhere like Misonoo Mei.
Advertised that you can overcome the abundant NTR if you work hard enough and rely on some RNG not screwing you up. No such advertisment existed for this pin-point title. It was advertised as NTR through and through.
some ntr care more about the depressing story rather than showing the viewer two people fucking.
it's either bad editing or their way of telling you that
>did you know: this is happening in japan right now?
I get it, ntr happens in real life, just show me more sex scenes and remove the fucking sad piano music.
So it's either you edit the episodes yourself or just watch those compilation vids on porn sites(xvideos, pornhub, etc.)
Well mate you're in for a long struggle then since netorare is not a good genre for lenght stories since the traits the protagonist, the heroine and the affair all need to have in order for this fetish to take place are extremely rare to appear all at once in a real life romantic triangle.
That said it is pretty nice when seeing mangakas putting more effort in the development of their work but, funnily enough, I never see people specifically complaining about this length bit when they comment and they always seem to nag about the ntr elements themselves (the girl being a naive secret nimpho, the protag a spineless bastard with confidence issues, etc etc), which is retarded given the aformenetioned tag floating right above their noses.
Yeah, netorare gets people emotional sometimes.
Saw the same thing happening but with a game developer who was planning to add some ntr based content but then got cheated on a couple of months later and dropped the whole thing afterwards saying it would now never happen into the game anymore.
>Saw the same thing happening but with a game developer who was planning to add some ntr based content but then got cheated on a couple of months later and dropped the whole thing afterwards saying it would now never happen into the game anymore.
Just goes to show that NTR fags lack empathy for the situation.
>Just goes to show that NTR fags lack empathy for the situation.
>having empathy for morons
Most MCs in NTR stories are retarded spineless morons. I have empathy for the situation, I just don't waste it on stupid characters who let themselves get walked over.
Most of them dodn't even have a chance to do anything since they're girlfriends let themselves get blackmailed for the most stupid reasons and don't tell them anything until they're already cock-addicts. What should they have done when they were never even given a chance to in your opinion?
Funny that people so often blame the boyfriends while 90% of the fault are bitches being retarded.
I can't be arsed to go through her tweets so you have to look up on it yourself but it basically goes something like this
There is a few which she said that her comics were 50% based on real life experience and the way her mother treats her makes her hate woman and she can be friends with guys more easily than other woman as a result.
>What should they have done when they were never even given a chance to in your opinion?
90% of the time they are never given the chance because of their own stupidity. And what do they do when they find out? Beat the blood out the chick? Rage fuck her and then drop her like a bad habit? Nope, they wallow in despair like spineless worthless fucks. I never feel sorry for NTR protags because they are always spineless doormats for the girls they get with. You can't expect me to empathize with that.
Can't say so better myself family
There are really few artists which handles NTR well without resorting to the spineless MC bullshit which make absolutely no sense (at least from my own perspective).
I think female: cheating or something like "longd distance" should be a tag that replaces some NTR works because the guy getting c.ucked is as good as away from the story character-wise, he barely interacts with the plot except by looking sad, broken and often masturbation.
>I never feel sorry for NTR protags because they are always spineless doormats for the girls they get with.
Them acting like that is due to PIS. Most artists are too lazy to show them having spine like in Public Toilet and go the generic cuck route instead with them masturbating to videos of their girlfriend being raped and / or drugged instead of sending it to the police or beating the shit out of the guys who did it.
Thats you jumping on conclusions there because you seem to have predisposed projudice towards people who are into this particular fetish mate.
At no point I said what he did was right or wrong nor I mentioned any part of his userbase doing so. I merely implyied he is emotional.
>Most of them dodn't even have a chance to do anything
Worst case scenario they can always grow a pair, cut whatever broken relatioship they had altogether and search for somedoby else.
The only circunstances on which I'd agree they don't have chances to do shit is if the story deals with fetishes that somehow alter the protagonist's state of mind, such as mind control, hypnotism, magic stuff, nanomachines doing god knows what at the brain, etc...
The only people triggered by NTR are the people who can actually relate to being a spineless worthless doormat when it comes to handling woman. The people who aren't doormats to women basically laugh at the MC while they fap to the sex sense of the girl getting nailed.
Nah, it's more like they get too involved, get all emotional, and feel all attached, with the ntr'd guy in this kind of hentai. At least that's what I've come to conclusion from the posts here.
It's nice to be passionate and be empathetic but... towards fapping material? Idk, that's just delusional at that point
That is the authors being lazy fucks.
I remember one where the boyfriend tried to stop his gf's parent from fucking her and the father who was skinny just slapped him while holding the girl and the guy was already on his knees. Totally PIS.
The suspension of disbelief is ridiculous in bad written netorare.
>mind control, hypnotism, magic stuff, nanomachines doing god knows what at the brain, etc...
That's what lazy netorare is about, controlling heroine mind through dick plot magic regardless of what kind of character they were before.
I mean the part where you inject yourself in the story, it's an extra element to make the fap feel better.
It's like a difference of going into a doujin with and without knowing anything about the original work it was based on.
>I remember one where the boyfriend tried to stop his gf's parent from fucking her and the father who was skinny just slapped him while holding the girl and the guy was already on his knees. Totally PIS.
Sometimes you just have to laugh how little creativity the artists have.
>girls blatantly cheats
>If it's anal then I'm not betraying him!
>she even offers her virgitiny to prove it
>got tells her fuck you and walks away
I don't know chinese that much but, the guy was hurt but instead of being a cuck he just told her what a bitch she was, turned and walked away, with some tears but at least he won't be another retard from the bunch.
At the end she had a ring, but from the old admiral it seems.
Fun fact from the author:
When he released the first book he said on pixiv
>This is not netorare but isn't happy end either
Then when he released the second book he said:
>I tried to make this not meet the definition of NTR
>B-but it's at your own risk if you think it is NTR.
Then procceeded to edit his previous post and changes from
>This is not netorare but isn't happy end
>isn't happy end
What a back pedaling from the author. It was obvious it was netorare, why try to fool his readers?
Another fact, but a sad one, the admiral was a bro to his friend from pic this doujin
Pic related it's from the C89 doujin.
Why do these games where you actually self-insert as the MC such as Kantai Collection have so much shitty NTR? Why do Nips cuck themselves so much?
This one had a great ending for once:
That's why Hiten is better than Crazy9.
Hiten hits you in the feels with dispair and then gives a realistic end.
Crazy9 only follows the the same old tropes from netorare and gives you a poor done end.
This say all my feelings.
But the biggest reason is only one word. Chloe.
If you could just end her suffering, but no, Japan needs her already insecure little virgim dicks to feel superior.
I am gonna insist on nuking.
And yes I am a vanilla fag who only want an animated dark elf hentai where there is no rape or shit like that.
I havnt played the game. I watched the show, and it was a dissapointment. I really love the girl, she thick, and hot. But the plot was shit, and the ending was (dare I say it) worse than M Night Shamalans bullshit x5
>Reading Chloe's past for the first time.
Couldn't fap for almost a year
I just want an adaptation of the case of my dark elf wife
[spoiler]and pretend that's Chloe's happy ending[/spoiler]
I fucking hate that every Dark Elf must either be raped by Orcs or be a cock slave in literally every Hentai.
Well said and I'm with you bro.
You are right, that's why I mentioned 'sometimes it's their own fault'. But the guy linked something from a serialized magazine so I had to point out that 'sometimes, it's not them'.
>People put themselves in the shoes of the mc too much.
Saying this, while defending NTR, is either stupid or just hypocritical. You pick, I don't care, but it is a fact of the genre that you are absolutely supposed to self-insert as the cuckold in NTR-genre media. That's why "netorare"; not "netori", which is just garden-variety cheating, but its passive-tense conjugation - meaning the act is done to the speaker. The word defines the essence of the genre.
Even if you like NTR, if you're not self-inserting as the MC, you're doing it wrong.
They could easily expand the story in the animation and give us obvious hint that she is a reincarnated Chloe many years after and the war Nina was talking about is because of a big revolution against Vault that ended in a World War, and then shit happens and Dark Elf are considered trash because the origin of everything were the dark elves beginning the war that took in Kuroinu story.
The only difference between netorare and netori is that in one the MC is the victim. In the other, the MC is the perpetrator. Self-inserting has fuck all to do with it so you're full of shit. In all honesty, if you need to self-insert to enjoy porn, you're the one who has issues.
>Kendamono-Tachi no Sumu le de
Just watched, the thing that most irritated me that the guy doesn't do shit. Like ok, his mom is getting fucked as well, mommy and daddy doing their thing. Now even when he knows that his father and the other guy is fucking her gf and he does nothing and then they kick him out of the house and hell simply go. Even worse when they watch his gf getting gangbanged by several men.
If i was him i'd get a gun and start a killing spree in that house.
>The only difference between netorare and netori is that in one the MC is the victim. In the other, the MC is the perpetrator.
It's not. Unlike Netorare, Netori rarely relies on blackmail, rape or mind control bullshit. It's more the fact that in Netori the guy actually cares about the woman and makes her fall for him instead of treating her like a sex slave. Her former boyfriend is either shown to be a douchebag or you don't even really see him.
And the other guy is right, the whole point of Netorare is to make you rage and feel like shit, not make you think you're a pseudo-alpha who thinks he can steal bitches.
Good examples for Netori:
You should already know that there are non-english speaker native in the internet that made this things dude, and it can be fixed later.
Also I did a little check, looks like a game where is literally what many people wanted: somebody of the kuroinus is a moralfag and rejected the idea of raping the dark elves, then I assume that they get mad and attacked him, he and the elves escaped and then rebellion against volt and his men. And it looks like it will have the multiple endings visual novel, you know, *name of heroine* end (the most obvious one), virgin end (you literally don't fuck any gir)", corruption end (in the sense that ironically you become like Volt and repeat everything, though at this point you need to be stupid to get that ending) and harem end (saw it coming)
Just gonna end saying that while I don't know if he will do a good job, is a lot better that most people in the internet do, either bash, do nothing or do some retarded shit like Kuroinu X Naruto fanfiction (yes, there are a lot of them), so I appreciate he is really putting effort .
Done, if you want something more lurk, I did this because I was bored anyway and now I have to sleep.
>the whole point of Netorare is to make you rage and feel like shit
More ero mangaka need to take tips from Miura's Berserk then because they are doing it wrong. Too many of their MCs are worthless doormats who you'd have to be a fool to actually feel sorry for.
>Even if you like NTR, if you're not self-inserting as the MC, you're doing it wrong.
I see nothing wrong by self inserting as the affair when the MC is generally such a spineless pussy.
I'm not the guy you replyed to but I care not if the genre is defined by what you said and most people who happen to fap to it are cuckers in denial. IMO they are the ones doing it all wrong
Yeah, Berserk did NTR right. The whole eclipse made me feel like shit for days.
Most NTR just affects you if you're new to it or if it's really well-written and realistic, which is a tiny minority.
No, it was still NTR Type C: https://vndb.org/g1459
A woman doesn't have to be willing for it to be NTR.
And I doubt Casca will ever return to normal. Even if she does, she definitely won't return to Griffith after what he did to her.
Who am I kidding, Berserk will never be finished anyway.
As far as I'm aware of netorare means that the girl always gets stolen by the other guy in the end.
If she doesn't get stolen... this is either only cheating or only raping then.
NTR type C means she does get stolen by means of either continuous blackmail or physical restraint, none of which Casca is currently subjected to; She only got raped.
Given the manga track record I wouldn't say it is not a strong possibility.
SK even said something like "What she wants might not be the same you do" to Guts before stoically vanishing away like he always do. That might not necessarily be a hint to this specific outcome but it does highlight restoring her sanity will most probably backfire in some way.
>As far as I'm aware of netorare means that the girl always gets stolen by the other guy in the end.
Wrong. With that logic, NTR with a happy ending like Public Toilet don't exist. Read vndb's definition. Their tags are generally far better than the retarded and incorrect definition of it on sadpanda.
>Netorare (寝取られ) is a sexual fetish designed to cause sexual jealousy by way of having the heroine indulge in sexual activity with someone other as the protagonist.
That's it. Whether she is stolen in the end or if it's consensual or not doesn't matter for it to be NTR. It's just different subgenres. In fact, every cheating is NTR as well (Type A), but not every NTR is cheating.
>sexual fetish designed to cause sexual jealousy by way of having the heroine indulge in sexual activity with someone other as the protagonist.
I stand corrected on this then, but that still seems a bit too broad to me.
By that definition nearly a shitload of rape fantasy stories would also need to be tagged as NTR. "Causing sexual jealousy [on the reader]" is a very broad concept.
>"Causing sexual jealousy [on the reader]"
It's not Netorare if the girl doesn't have a romantic interest or someone else that really cares for her and is affected by the situation such as a family member.
Precisely because it's a very broad concept are there different subtypes of it, mainly NTR Type A, B, C, Netorase and then there's also Netori, which is actually the polar opposite of Netorare.
Netori either not being tagged on sadpanda or instead mixed up with Netorare is very dumb when the target audiences are generally different. It's just that most of the NTR fags see everything as Netori and don't differentiate between the two anymore.
>Going through that hell
That is just not ok
>Whole point of NTR is to make people rage and feel like shit
No its not. I've never seen a NTR fan rage or feel like shit. All I see is them liking NTT a lot. The whole point of NTR is to make the main character suffer. The whole point of NTR is for people with NTR fetishes. If it only makes people rage and feel like shit then who would buy it?
>If it only makes people rage and feel like shit then who would buy it?
Ever heard of something called masochists? A large amount of Nips categorize themselves as either sadists or masochists, with the latter being more prevalent.
Oh God, those fanfiction. Honestly I can't see difference between getting fucked by Not!Guts and getting fucked by that Gary Stu who just happens to be called Naruto.
And that's coming from a faggot who is now writing another Kuroinu fanfic. (I'm just bored and needed an excuse to practice my writing)
I hate the art in Bible Black, it's just repulsive to me. The bodies are drawn way too sharply with tons of unrealistic, blocky muscle detail. It's a huge turn off. Plus e v e r y o n e in it has a huge black spiky bush.
>Loli gets FUCKED by two big orcs
>Nuns get raped by small orcs
>Female solider gets betrayed and raped by her own companions
>Female Queen gets raped by her own father
>Princess get raped by a shady old fat man
>Dark skinned elves including the Queen of elves gets gangbang by orcs and humans.
>Shine maiden that has a tailsman protecting her vagina get destroyed by orcs. She then gets raped by humans and becomes a slut
>Huge orgy with all the princesses and warriors being enslaved and turned into sluts
>Queen gets raped by her own people
All this with good animation.
>>Female Queen gets raped by her own father
I don't remember this.
>Huge orgy with all the princesses and warriors being enslaved and turned into sluts
No wonder why I read others talking about it being such a let down
So just a repeat of gang rape sessions with different characters? Feels wasted potential with those dark elfs.
>So just a repeat of gang rape sessions with different characters?
Are you this stupid? How is that any different from harem hentai? It's sex with different characters. No fucking shit and you ever see people saying that shit about hentai with multiple female characters?
>Wasted potential for the dark elf
You have a bunch of men and orcs. No fucking shit you'll get gangbang scenes. It's not wasted at all when it uses all the men and orcs.
Yeah, and how is that any different from any other lengthy hentai? It's just sex with different characters or with the same person.....
I quoted exactly what they said and I'm replied to them. Their complain about the same rape and gangbang is already stupid since the whole series is about a war against orcs and corrupted humans. Hmm, I wonder what'll you get from that huh? Perhaps there will be sweet vanilla sex with the enemy.
get a load of this faggot
Did they only have a budget for humans and orcs? If so they should have at least tried to do something else with what they were given. With the queen they could have made a delightful BDSM session using magic
Why didn't you do anything anon?
Why didn't you help her?
You just sit there powerless, watching, waiting and weeping while they abused her over and over and over again
How could you?
>vanilla fags so mad they cannot enjoy the best animated hentai because of hurt feelings.
It always makes me laugh so hard at you people because rather than just ignoring the things you hate you post vast walls of text while claiming you don't care. You guys are the real cucks unable to enjoy the beauty of perhaps the greates fetish of all time.
I don't like my women with dangling 40 inches long horsecocks in between their legs but I don't go to /d/ bitching about this like some sort of apeshit nigger on a black friday store hours
People nowadays seem to get aggravated by the most stupid and ephemeral things
>I enjoy cuckold porn but am not a cuckold
Never gets old, senpai.
The manga has a big netorare tag right besides it so people are aware of the stuff they are expected to find in there.
They click anyway, go through the WHOLE damn thing, then scroll to the comment section and write down stuff like this:
"Posted on 11 December 2012, 15:11 UTC by: h man
those son of a bitch rune...life of another people
i hate ntr"
You don't see any problem with this logic?
I don't. Netoru / Netori and Netorare games serve different fetishes. The distinction is much more clear in VNs where Netorare puts emphasis on the despair of losing the girls while the guy getting cucked in Netori is barely seen.
Baku Ane was much better animated than the camshake BS Murakami pulls off all the time and didn't need any suffering to produce awesome sex.
Bro, you should read the comments on Hentaihaven by vanillafags. Like, I just wanted to read comments from my fellow NTR brothers and all I see is this shit.
The chick on the left was nuts but holy shit.
Its ironic when vanilla-fags call out ntr fans cuckolds, because in reality they are raging and letting their emotions take over, just like the stereotype MC in most ntr stories. So vanilla-fags are in fact the true cuckolds.
You don't think I've tried. Every night these seen plays in my mind and I can't do a thing to stop it. I try to imagine some way to save Origa and Chloe, be it magic or fighting I always come back to the conclusion that they can't be saved.
All I want is to see those two smile. A genuine one that says they are safe and happy
>See them smile
That cut surprisingly deep
Some people need to realize that vanilla fags doesn't get as much attention, budget and all that shit compared to the others fetish and genre. So yeah we have a fucking reason to complain. The only differences is when a vanilla fag enter to complain about an ntr doujin, and when another vanilla fag enter to see something and the tags dont say ntr or rape, and he thinks is safe and then the rage indulging moment happen.
>Some people need to realize that vanilla fags doesn't get as much attention, budget and all that shit compared to the others fetish and genre.
You are literally stupid if you actually think this. You have no idea how to browse what you like, there is a lot of vanilla around, a lot.
>and when another vanilla fag enter to see something and the tags dont say ntr or rape, and he thinks is safe and then the rage indulging moment happen.
And even then you need to stomach idiots that use the NTR tag wrong for cheating-rape or threesome.
Look you retarded dick, there are a lot of things I want to say right now, but I am gonna just say that in animation we vanilla fags dont get the same attention as your disgusting fetish. And there are a lot of shit stories like kuroinu that people REALLY wanted to enjoy but couldn't at the end. They could easy just make one ending for everyone.
Kyonyuu fantasy is one vanilla vn that never got the others episodes until today yet KUROINU DID IT. HOW MANY THINGS I HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE ARE FUCKING WRONG AND NEED TO PISS OFF
If that's how you feel, there are lots of things that would feed your interests better than something that is trying to make you self-insert as the cuckold.
Exactly. That moment when Guts is bound and forced to watch as Femto violates the woman he loves? That's the essence of netorare.
>I've never seen a NTR fan rage or feel like shit.
Partially, that's because most netorare is made of fail and unable to succeed in that part of its purpose.
>If it only makes people rage and feel like shit then who would buy it?
To answer this and your later not-question, most NTR readers in Japan admit to getting off on the conflict between the negative feels from the story and the hot art. So yes, masochism, of a very specific sort.
If you could sperg a little more softly, that'd be great, thanks.
>Partially, that's because most netorare is made of fail and unable to succeed in that part of its purpose.
>You have to feel rage in order to enjoy netorare.
>Netorare is made to induce emotional stress via anger
How does one even come to these conclusions?
>most NTR readers in Japan admit to getting off on the conflict between the negative feels from the story and the hot art
Where are you getting this information from? Anecdotes are never proof for anything.
>Where are you getting this information from?
Unfortunately, polls don't get saved for very long. It was last year, and I never thought I'd need that info to prove a point, so I didn't bother saving it.
If not anger, then other emotional stresses - jealousy, sadness, loss, etc. - should work.
If no negative feelings are produced in you by the work, then either the writer sucks too much to be any good at getting you to identify with the MC, or you're just in the wrong genre and won't be able to enjoy it fully.
>If no negative feelings are produced in you by the work
Maybe you are getting it all wrong. I could place myself into every party member of a ntr story and kinda relate to each character. But letting fiction govern how you feel is just a sign of weakness or you simply force yourself too much to read a specific fetish you honestly don't like.
>or you're just in the wrong genre and won't be able to enjoy it fully.
Again you are mixing fiction with reality here. You are claiming that negative feelings are the true purpose of ntr stories, but its not.
You will have to agree that every reader takes something different from a story. The truth is that I enjoy ntr and I don't feel slightly stressed when reading it.
>You will have to agree that every reader takes something different from a story.
This argument is garbage. If you read Voltaire and come away with "y'know, maybe an all-powerful theocratic state isn't all that bad", then the fault lies inside you.
>The truth is that I enjoy ntr and I don't feel slightly stressed when reading it.
Some people enjoy wearing clothing too large or too small for their frame, too. Doesn't change the fact that it's poorly tailored for them.
Same thing applies here. NTR is created for an audience that gets off on the bad feels. You're into it for a different reason, I suppose...
>But letting fiction govern how you feel is just a sign of weakness
...and that reason seems to be "I just read Nietzsche, shit was so cash". Are you really that much of a tryhard, or shall we drop the pretenses and start baneposting?
Why are people so fucking autistic over fetishes? God damn. If you don't like a fetish, don't go out of your way to see it. Why do vanilla fags deliberately go out of their way to look at shit that triggers them? Do they enjoy suffering? They remind me of radical feminists who get triggered by concept of rape fantasy. Fucking retarded.
Time for another offering to the goddess, pic related.
closet NTRfags in the making, I guess.
A message, independet which one, will be received differently by different people. Denying this would imply you are following HAES logics and therefor lose all rationality to make any sound arguments if you base your point on it.
Your clothing argument revolves around subjective taste. Of course it will be poorly tailored, but it doesn't matter if the person likes it this way. There is literally nothing we can discuss about it if you bring subjective taste into the game -> different strokes for different folks.
I can understand how bad feelings might be a huge factor in ntr stories, but enduring negative feelings while jacking of sounds pretty terrifying to me.
>Ability to differentiate fiction and reality means I am a Nietzsche tryhard?
I fail to see how you could perceive my argument as an attempt to look like a tryhard. You seem to misunderstood my point there.
Sane person: "Meh ntr is for cucks, I don't like it".
Typical vanilla fans: "OMG THIS MC IS SO DUMB I HOPE HE GETS BACK THERE AND BURNS EVERYBODY TO DEATH GOD DAMN WHY IS THIS STORY SO DUMB (notice how vanilla fags are actually projecting real world logic into a hentai) IF I WAS MC I WOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING I HATE THIS ARTIST SO MUCH.
Or maybe people don't like NTR because the characters and scenarios are so fucking stupid it's eyeroll inducing, many artists go way overboard with the ahegao face, a woman being addicted to a dick after being raped is retarded, being blackmailed because guy got a photo of you masturbating,etc It's just all so damn stupid and the same boring shit every time. It's stupid and lazy, the Soap opera of porn
But do go on trying to convince people how alpha you are while getting off on cuckold shit.
>If that's how you feel, there are lots of things that would feed your interests better than something that is trying to make you self-insert as the cuckold.
Yeah I can find it to some extent in general BDSM or some rare vanillas that depict the character as being confident and resolute, but that doesnt happen as often as in netorare for some reason.
>But do go on trying to convince people how alpha you are while getting off on cuckold shit.
Nobody is asserting that they are alpha by reading ntr lol.
Actually, even if you are living a monogamous life, your body will still pursuit better mates for reproductionn. This is simple biology.
Anything by White Bear, their awkward animation and 10 out of their 19 minute video is literally the manga page which it was based on. if i wanted to read the manga i would've just read the manga.
>And even then you need to stomach idiots that use the NTR tag wrong for cheating-rape
That's still NTR, idiot. It doesn't need to be consensual or mind break to be NTR as long as a girl has a romantic interest and is getting fucked by someone else.
>You are claiming that negative feelings are the true purpose of ntr stories, but its not.
But that is the whole point of the genre. Why do you think so many of them focus on the guy getting cucked and being completely devastated about it without just moving on to a better girl that isn't a whore then?
Looks like most NTR fags don't even understand the genre they're fans of.
I have a NTR fetish and I've been with the NTR community for a long time and never have I seen people getting off the pain they get from NTR. Even among Japanese fans that I read from said they don't, so I have no clue what you're talking about. You're not into NTR yourself but yet you're talking for NTR fans.
I'd say use a simpler looking font. The one you're using is a bit too stylish compared to the original and its kinda hard to read.
>never have I seen people getting off the pain they get from NTR.
Then what's the pointless and exaggerated suffering for if not to empathize with the one getting cucked? You could just barely show him or make him move on to someone else, but NTR artists always feel the need to make him as miserable as possible, sometimes even commiting suicide.
What's the point of all that if it's not the core of NTR, as you say?
>Bitching to tehers to not post their opinion is what Reddit does.
4chan and sadpanda do that all the time as well, especially NTR fags.
>Someone said the girl is an idiot? Nuke that comment!
>Someone said her boyfriend is an idiot? Nuke that comment!
>Someone said this situation could have been easily resolved? Nuke that comment!
>Someone said the art style is ugly? Nuke that comment!
>Someone pointed out that the plot doesn't make a lick of sense to begin with? Nuke that comment!
What's left is a circle jerk of everyone saying how awesome the doujin is and how they get off on Vanillafags complaining.
The fact that unpopular opinions can be deleted just because 5 or 6 people with some mod power downvoted them is pretty retarded on sadpanda. Negative comments can still be turned visible on other sites, exhentai is literally the only one that nukes them.
Funny thing is that this didn't happen until 2 or 3 years ago. Older galleries like here:
still could have normal discussions without fags being salty about opinions.
You still can't explain what the point of all the suffering is supposed to be. You're just saying "It's not the point of NTR", that's it. Then why put so much emphasis on it?
>Rape = NTR Type C
>Cheating = NTR Type A
Most people perceive that NTR is only Type B, which is most often rape, drugging or blackmail turning "consensual" after a mind break. That definition is too narrow. Casca's rape scene is more hardcore NTR than most retarded doujins, but your narrow definition doesn't cover that.
You are only focusing on the MCs suffering, while ignoring all other factors which come into play in ntr.
And what about the arbitrary definitions of ntr lol. I am pretty sure these aren't approved by the International Organization for Standardization.
The suffering is because people like the suffering of the character getting ntr'd. It's a NTR fetish for reason but that doesn't mean NTR fans suffer along with the character suffering.
Netorare is just when the person the MC love is taken away from said character.
Netori is when the MC is the one that doing the stealing.
Is not hard to understand. Or do you think that every rape is ntr? or every cheating is ntr? They are not.
They're not arbitrary. They come from the Japanese NTR fandom / blog themselves and were later slightly adopted by fhc and translated into English. These guys have much more knowledge and experience with NTR games than most of us here.
All of these types are Netorare. It literally means "something being stolen from you while you sleep."
It doesn't matter how that happens and under what circumstances someone else fucks her for it to be NTR. Type A happens because of the will of the girl herself, Type C happens completely against her will from start to finish, while the prevalent Type B crosses the line from non-consensual to "consensual" at some arbitrary point.
Maybe it's easier for you to self-insert into the villain in Anime or Manga adaptations, but you never see their POV in the majority of Netorare games. All of it focuses on the struggle of the girl and the subsequent suffering of the main character and make you empathize with him.
People who self-insert as the guy doing the stealing play Netori or Netoru games instead.
That's a completely different POV and many Netorare fans don't play Netori games because sense of conquest by stealing someone else is not what they're looking for.
Read these comments from one of the biggest NTR fans who played hundreds of games and the one who spread it in the West:
>The unique objective of NTR is to play with the "jealous feelings" of the player.
>1- You can imagine the woman that you love sucking the penis of other guy in the front of your eyes ?
>2- You can imagine the penis of other guy being inserted in the vagina of the woman that you love, and shooting sperm inside of her ?
>3- You can imagine the woman that you love screaming of pleasure and happiness while are making sex with other man in the front of your eyes ?
>This is the soul of NTR.
>Jealousy is the most stronger human feelings. Because of jealousy, some people kill other people, and sometime kill themselves ( suicide ) . Not exist any other human feeling that can bring up so much tragedy and sadness. For instance, Is very rare a husband commit suicide becasue his wife is dead. However, is common a husband commit suicide when he found out that his wife is betraying him. And sometimes, he kill his unfaithful wife before to commit suicide.
>Unfortunately, at least in Brazil, this happens a lot. This is terrible.
>Then, to play with this kind of stronger feelings in a innofensive game is for sure a experience unique and awesome. Becasue of this, I like so much NTR.
NTR fans play the games because they want to experience feelings of jealousy and sadness in a safe zone without being hurt in "real life".
Still not enough evidence for you? The only thing you provide is "I never heard of that, so it isn't true."
Also, here's clarification on the difference of Netorare and Netori:
>寝取られ ( NETORARE ) = your wife/lover being stolen by someone else.
>寝取り/寝取る ( NETORI/NETORU) = you stealing the wife/lover of someone else . 寝取り is just the verb stem/noun form of the dictionary form 寝取る, then, 寝取り/寝取る is the same thing.
>I hate games with 寝取り/寝取る, but, I love games with 寝取られ. Then, not misunderstood these 2 words, ok?
Yeah, and I read from people who are the biggest NTR fans who played hundreds of NTR games saying they don't suffer when watching/reading NTR. Your point? Everyone has their own reasons for liking something. There's no single answer. A few people you read from who said that, doesn't generalize the rest as the same and not NTR has a whole.
>Yeah, and I read from people who are the biggest NTR fans who played hundreds of NTR games saying they don't suffer when watching/reading NTR.
Then why do they play it? The appeal and purpose of NTR are the emotions of jealousy it provides. That's even the definition of it.
Why don't they play Netori or other genres instead? You always say there are different reasons, but you never mention them.
I don't get this. The one who should have the jealous feeling is the one getting ntr'd. This isn't your girlfriend getting stolen nor is it someone you love. It's a random fictional character with barely any development with a generic pathetic main character. What is there to be jealous of? I also don't get how you can imagine your loved one in place of a fictional character. You're better off watching 3D porn with Netorare which is more relatable since its real.
I'm a NTR fan and If you ask why I enjoy NTR. It's because I like to see the generic character getting ntr'd. I hate them which is why it feels very good. Its something different from vanilla. I don't suffer or feel bad for the character at all. I could care less.
>I don't get this. The one who should have the jealous feeling is the one getting ntr'd.
There is this thing called inserting into the story. Visual Novels are specifically written from the first-person perspective, have different choices and faceless protagonists to help you achieve that. Some even let you name the character. It's not just the guy in the story getting NTRed, it's also the player who empathizes with him and sees the events from his perspective.
You lacking empathy for the characters getting NTRed is probably because 90% of them are written horribly and generic, especially in H-Manga and Anime. 30 pages where you see the one getting cucked at the beginning and end and i two pages in the middle aren't enough to tell a proper NTR story in contrast to VNs with a runtime of a dozen hours and always having the thoughts and doubts of the protagonist and / or his girlfriend displayed.
There are still some good and rare examples I mentioned earlier in the thread, though.
There are so many hacks and bad generic NTR artists out there that I still wonder why the genre has gotten so popular in Manga and Anime recently.
It would be better if they were defeated anf then raped.
But nope, they're already captive, restrained and captive.
It takes away half of the fun of rape.
The iva was like going hunting bit then finding out the goal already served making your hunting set useless.
Now repeat it for each character.
Anectodal evidence and implied ad hominem is no argument.
I do that pretty often, especially when something is written in first-person perspective and it's meant to be that way, just like I self-insert into MegaTen protagonists.
Why even read stories then if you don't empathize with the characters and are detached to all of it?
Honestly, the quality of the counterarguments so far has been so low that I wonder why I even still bother with this.
It really baffles me how supposed NTR fans don't even get the point of their own genre. Just read up a bit on my earlier and this other guy's posts (>>4154341 >>4154352) and fhc'c contributions and maybe then you will see my point.
>. All of it focuses on the struggle of the girl and the subsequent suffering of the main character and make you empathize with him.
Now that you mention It I realised for the first time that the POV of the game OP posted isn't the old guy I inserted into but the girl instead.
Congrats, you achieved complete detachment. I only reached that level with the generic retarded crap to this point.
Oh boy. This is still a discussion thread. Also pic related. The only thing missing here is "go back to reddit".
Ikr? Play Netori if you want to be the bad guy instead.
>that guy using HAES to imply all ntr fans suffer while fapping
>that guy who probably has autism and wants to right and will do anything to achieve it
>that guy who is using generalization as an argument.
Comon guy at this point you are nothing more than a dictator trying to force his believe on others.
You simply lack the understanding of how each person will react differently to fetish a or b. You are talking about ntr while not even being a fan.
Failing to self insert into other people and recognizing they have different motivations on why they like it is a sign of autism.
I'm convinced cucks would try to argue the point that Harry Potter is not really about Harry Potter and is instead about Draco Malfoy.
You people lack understanding of the most basic elements of storytelling it's laughable. Read a book, nigger.
Most NTR is a 3rd person omniscient where the focalization often shifts from character to character. In short, you get access to the thoughts and feelings of certain characters. Which characters are those? In the case of netorare, it's the dude being cuckolded and the sometimes the female. You know who isn't being focalized? The fat, old dude with a smegma-ridden penis and a lifetime prescription of Viagra. Ergo the Harry Potter analogy. It's like reading through HP and lacking any sort of basic empathy for the protagonist. You are, quite literally, doing it wrong.
But that's okay. We're talking about people who internalized rejection and insecurity long ago. Mental gymnastics are a way of life.
For anyone fed up with Netorare with so much suffering, try this instead:
>[Eroitto] Ikenai Kodukuri ~Shinyuu no Okaa-san ni Tanetsuke Shimakuru 1sshuukan~
Here you play a guy who's in love with a woman whose husband is a total douchebag and neglected his family for years and she eventually returns his feelings and they conceive a daughter together.
Years later he properly married her and they want to make another kid together.
That's the key difference between most Netori and Netorare: The guy getting cucked was a douchebag and deserved it and the one stealing the woman has feelings for her instead of treating her like an Onahole.
Here's the scene where she wants to be impregnated again and their daughter bursts in while they're at it. They tell her to go back to sleep again and that they're having skinship atm. They swear to stay together for the rest of their lives after she went back to sleep.
Can you understand the difference between Netori and Netorare now? A lot of Netori is much more happier in its tone and relies on romance instead of rape, drugs and blackmail.
Vault would have lost to the TRUE ruler of the empire of servitude
Comparing netorare and netori which technically they're both still cuckold. Just one has a different purpose than the other.
Kind of like how sodium and rock salt both have a different purpose but regardless of that they are still salt.
Her daughter's got sex hair. I bet she'd look like this when she's older.
>Ok what is this? Google do nothing
>Comparing porn viewing to legit literature
>implying every NTR antagonist is fat and old
It's funny how this thread turned from "I hate certain anime" to "NTR IS HATRED"
It could be a nice hentai, but whathever if there is an elf (specially dark elf) add rape, I seriously want to slap Japan itself sometimes.I want to ask anyone here who deserves to be saved, from most to least, just curious.
Because I like NTR, blackmail, rape, gangbang, slave, degradation, old/ugly-man fucking beautiful female, exhibitionism, lolicon, humiliation, abuse, human-cattle and etc
What a fucking shit taste, seriously. The only things I can agree with are guro / insects and Lolicon, but you're probably one of the guys who likes Shiruka Bakaudon type Loli instead of henreader or Noise type Loli.
My taste > your taste
Hate the fetish/genre but not the person who appreciates it. We all have stuff we get off to. It gives variety to our porn, no matter how sick some of them are. As long as they don't hurt any real life people, it's good. In fact, this >>4156163 anon is worse as he is urging a real person to commit suicide over a porn fetish.
>fapping obese little girls with cartoonishly unrealistic proportions, instead of ones that resemble actual little girls.
I bet you like western porn and /mlp/. Do the entire world a favor and play sudoku.
I am gonna do something with you when I found you, and you will learn her suffering. I am gonna torture and abuse you so hard you are gonna get castrated without the need of castration
WTF are you talking about? You didn't understand my point at all and then proceeded to insult me, idiot.
To make it clear: Shiruka Bakaudon or Fatalpulse type Lolis = Violent rape with mindbreak and possibly snuff
Henreader or Noise (or the majority of Loli artists) = cute stories with some humour where no one is harmed.
I despise the first, but like the majority of Lolis.
Any hentai where the hot girl gets fucked by an ugly or old or old and ugly fag pisses me off. That isn't pleasing to my eyes, so why would I want to jerk to it? Who gets turned on by that shit?
>Who gets turned on by that shit?
A better question is who pays attention to how the men look in porn? If your focus isn't on the woman, if you're actually paying attention to the dudes, you might as well be gay.
I hate Hentai that is censored.
Although every cg I have has pointless censorship
I just don't care on the story I just like the picture for fapping.
Maybe I'm a heretic because of that
I've seen a few h-manga where the guy goes postal on the thief. And there's this one tank where the plot is a revenge spree on the guys and girls who raped and broke his sister,
Literally the Naruto of hentai. I can never tell whether /h/ likes BB genuinely or to troll newcomers.
>watching ntr and placing yourself in the position of the cuck
>assuming everyone else is as retarded as you.
I disagree. I like whenever that happens because the girl has to go through degrading sex with this ugly guy she isn't attracted to. It's actually a prominent fetish of mine and I prefer that over Generic Young Guy #30392.
>Doesn't know how wonderful it feels to take someone else's lover behind their backs
>Doesn't love corrupting purity
What, get cucked in real life so ntr just triggers you now, anon?
>Needed an unnecessary superficial tagging difference to let you know what you can and can't fap to.
There is no difference between Netorare and Netori apart from who the reader is "supposed" to be self inserting as. I'm not retarded and can fap to both because I'm always in the shoes the corrupter.