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Girls dominating guys.
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>>3804960
(Girls dominating other girls works too)
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>>3804977
Hopefully this is a sufficient offering to start a thread. Done posting for now. May post more if others contribute.
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>>3805004
Agreed.
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>>3804973
>>3804975
Why are women so insecure that they need a plastic male genitalia to dominate men? Don't they just state that they are less powerful then the men they are dominating because he has a penis?
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>>3805160
Because the market for that style of porn is men, for whom the fantasy of submission to women needs to be made "safe" and reassuring of their own masculinity by showing women adopting a faux-masculinity to dominate them.
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Hey, anybody add pictures "hardcore femdom" ?
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>>3805160
Femdom hentai is a fail fetish because it implies abuse.

Ohhh no please help me!
I'm being fucked by a beautiful girl!
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>>3805195
Ohhh no!
She's stealing my virginity!!!
>>3805185
Hardcore femdom is guro, which is not allowed here.
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>>3805198
Her pussy is hurting me!
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>>3805199
I have a wife, please stay away from me!
If only I were strong enough to escape...
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>>3805201
Don't misunderstand me.
I LOVE girls with initiative, and I'm a masochist myself, but femdom porn can be quite awkward.
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>>3805178
Which man wants to have something rammed into his ass?

>>3805195
Why can't the female just be assertive?

Instead of the guy doing all the work and the girl just laying there the girl could be the one moving. Femdom as in the female being the dominant because she is the one calling the shots. Not femdom as in the female being an abusive cunt.
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>>3805199
>>3805198
>>3805195
Think of it as movies. Maledom is the action flicks and femdom is the leslie nielsen shit.
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>>3805111
sauce?
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>>3805201
>>3805199
>>3805198
>>3805195

Believe it or not some men actually don't want to be raped...
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>>3805178
>showing women adopting a faux-masculinity to dominate them
I hate that femdom gets related with men feminization.

Girls can be in the dominant role without pretending to be a boy.
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>>3805210
>doesn't wants sex
>stays there anyway

The men in those images could just stand up and go away.
It's not like they were bonded or anything.
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>>3805203
>Which man wants to have something rammed into his ass?
I think that's the point: masochism.
Also, prostate stimulation is a thing.

>Femdom as in the female being the dominant because she is the one calling the shots.
That's being a woman with initiative.

>Not femdom as in the female being an abusive cunt.
Abusive cunts are awesome.
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>>3805203
>Which man wants to have something rammed into his ass?
Closet cases, usually.
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>>3805212
True that, but the lack of realism makes it more hot for some (not me really).
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>>3805221
Sometimes the humor factor is a big plus.
You fap to feel good right?
Laughing can make it better.
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>>3805223
Laughing while fapping?
I might have to give that a try.
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>>3805225
Most hentai series I've seen make me lol. Maybe I just laugh to easily.

Rape/serious abuse is a turn off for me, so maybe that's why I got there.

I can recommend you Mizugi Kanojo and Itadaki Seieki!.
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Femdom =\= Abuse or rape

You're a fucking retard.
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Isn't femdom rather that the female partner takes the lead while the male partner is just more submissive?
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>>3805768
nah, just being the more active partner doesn't make it domination
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>>3805768
So when a girl tell you to fuck her harder and slap her face and you do it, you're actually being dominated?
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>>3805212
i was literally just staring at your posts for like ten minutes.

take that shit to /b/
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>>3805811
LITERALLY STARING!

gb2tumblr
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>>3805207
No idea~
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Goddamn I love fembdom
[spoiler]penis belittlement is a huge turn on[/spoiler]
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>>3805688
Who the fuck said femdom was abuse or rape?
Read the context you illiterate shithead.

I said in previous posts I loved femdom.

I'll describe it more in depth so that air heads like you can understand:
Serious abuse turns me off, so I don't like hentai series such as Kuroinu or Bible Black.
I like dominant girls as long as it doesn't becomes harmful (such as public humiliation or serious injuries).

If you wan't to just spit out nonsensical insults trying to sound smart, go shit-post somewhere else.
>The quality of posts is extremely important to this community. Contributors are encouraged to provide high-quality images and informative comments.
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>>3805160
>Why are women so insecure that they need
how fucking delusional do you have to be to think women were at all involved in the creation of this pathetic trash
moron
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>>3806721
>to think women were at all involved
How retardedly ignorant do you need to be to think women can't get involved at all in the creation of this glorious art.
Do you also think girls don't poop?
Cretin.
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>>3804953
>search for soft femdom
>tfw 93% of it is just pegging or fiddling with the guy's arse, cbt, footjobs or some other bs

I wish there was a tag or something to separate these kind of femdoms from the milder, assertive-female-submissive-male scenarios...
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>>3806734
I know that feel.

I'm more into "hardcore femdom", but anal play, footjobs and crossdressing piss me off.
And sadly, they clog up my femdom searchs.

Face-sitting is annoying, and gets old very fast, but at least it has it's own tag and actually gets separated.
Same with futa, you just exclude it from the search, but it's an annoying big portion of it.
Prostate fetish is a thing, but why can't they separate it?

Being a dom doesn't equates being masculine.
Being a sub doesn't equates being feminine.
And if you finally find a gallery that isn't foot-jobs, face-sitting, feminization, futa, shota, yuri, yaoi or ass-fuck, it will probably be bloody guro.
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>>3806812
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spooky
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>>3806747

What is ''hardcore femdom''?

>inb4 guro
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>>3806951
>>3806812
Same here. Thanks anon.

>>3806935
I only used the term hardcore to differentiate it from what he called "soft femdom".

Let's say soft femdom is assertive-female-submissive-male. Like "reverse rape" where it's basically a vanilla image where the woman has the initiative. (Pic related)

Hardcore femdom would be things like BDSM.
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>>3805207
Here you go
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>>3806976
And then you have the other deviants, that you may consider hardcore, but personally I consider them completely different fetishes.

Like foot fetish, futa-dom, loli-dom, shota, feminization, lesbian femdom, yaoi-sub, guro and other shit that (sadly for me) gets tagged as femdom as well.
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>>3806089
Are you blind, retarded or just dense?
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>>3807003
I'm none of them, unlike you.

If you won't add anything to the topic, GTFO you worthless piece of shit.
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>>3806748
Jesus Christ. Do want.
Source please?
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>>3807076

>gorilla warfare
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>>3807157
Someone's a newfag
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>>3807150
two episode OVA called 'milk money'
brace for wierd
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>>3807150
>>3807252
Uba aka Milk Money. It's definitely an outstanding hentai OVA, combining femdom and straight shota. Too bad there isn't any other hentai show like this one.
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This thread be gold, anygot moar?
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I demand all the soft femdom there is
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>>3806726
who is this artist? ive seen them before
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Ah, I remember a good femdom H-manga, but I can't find it again.
Young sword wielding lad from a demon slaying family is out and about minding his own business, when he comes across a loli demon and proceeds to lose completely to loli demon in a fight, then femdon fun ensues.
Ring any bells with anyone?
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>>3807629
http://nhentai.net/g/108689/
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>>3805160
Because it's a transhuman device that overcomes the limitations of their form. If anything, men can't get anything out of a strap-on pussy so they're actually ahead.
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>>3805195
You are retarded. It implies a female dominating. Your argument doesn't hold for male on female , so it doesn't here either.
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Ignore the troll post more femdom
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>>3804969
This one always gets me.
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>>3805768
I don't consider that domination.
Taking the lead is not dominating when the other is letting you take it.
I correlate femmedom with ownership and lack of consent, personally.
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>>3805178
If being dominated by another masculine figure is how men feel safe when they are submissive then there won't be any male power hierarchy, they wouldn't compete for mating or anything for that matter, since their competitors are always actual masculine figures in the form of other men.

Anon is talking the general idea no the porn or the hentai idiot

>>3805160
Part male sexual fantasy, part radical feminist inferiority complex, show men that there is a thing they cant do and all that bullshit
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>>3806812
that was the most amazing thing I've ever read. love the end with the four vertical panels
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>>3804967
Sause is there an english version of this?
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Femdomme here. Women don't feel the "need" to use toys like strap ons to dominate men. In fact, if you're with someone who knows what they're doing, they'll only use it if you're comfortable with it (safe, sane, and consensual and all that). We know we have plenty of ways to get your pretty little cock throbbing. There heavier stuff like BDSM, orgasm denial, even simply creating the rule (strip dance, no touching allowed for example).
Toys are there so we have something to penetrate with. Don't want to worship the plastic phallus, you can lick my boots instead. But it's much harder to make you orgasm without touching your dick if I can't put something in you.

If you're serious about an actual conversation about harder femdom stuff, or BDSM in general, brave the terrors of /d/. They almost always have an informative thread somewhere amongst the futa.
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>>3805856
Nice bait 4chan.
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>>3806814


What the actual fuck. Bull shit. Where's the last fucking page.
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>>3806747
Yeah I know that feel aswell, I'm a somewhat muscular dude that boxes, and my gf isn't a man, just an artsy hipster grill, I'm not feminine and she isn't masculine in the slightest, I guess we just enjoy the role reversal
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>>3819328
>But it's much harder to make you orgasm without touching your dick if I can't put something in you.

Really? I mean, I can make my sub cum just by restraining him completely and whispering lewd things to his ears, while occasionally touching and stroking different areas of his body.

He also cums way more this way, probably because there's a greater build-up due to the prolonged teasing...
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>>3815305
>I correlate femmedom with ownership and lack of consent, personally.

Isn't non-consent technically rape?
I mean, in the case of women it is...
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>>3819668
...?
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>>3804953

Consequently, where does the line from /h/eaven cross into /d/amnation when it comes to femdom?

I know yuri is an exception here but people seem to have conflicting views on this so I don't know whether I should post or not...
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>tfw I will never understand why people get into such intense arguments over cartoon pornogaphy
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>>3819850

People are willing to argue over anything.

See: Skub
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>>3819916
Don't you even fucking start. Skub is for faggots, and anyone who disagrees eats cocks for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
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This thread is my fetish.

Dumping what I have.
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>>3805199
More in these kind of poses please? Or what is the name of this pose?
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>>3819401
>role reversal

You just confirmed that, for you at least, it is like reversing the roles of the genders in sex.
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I need more girls reveling in the power their mouths have over men- femdom cocksucking. Any recommendations?


Pic related:
Ykata de Pon
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>>3805207
No, it's jizz.
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>>3821958
actually, it's kefir
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>>3821929
try the tag amazon position tag on some of the boorus
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>>3806812
best
end
ever
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>>3820021
Source?
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>>3804953

What the Fuck man!? He can't breathe! He doesn't Fucking like it!

That does not look like affirmative consent!
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> greentext?!


>be twenty years old, attending university for a comp science degree, second year student.
>having shit loads of trouble understanding the material because the lab assistant is a d-bag and isn't helpful.
>teacher is a complete /fit/ milf and she teases you during lectures.
>often times hands out surprise quizzes and she hovers over you for no reason to see what your doing.
>one day you get stuck on a programming homework assignment and decide to go see her in her office, having already emailed her and told her how much of a bitch it seems to be.
>she tells you to come pay her a visit and don't bother with the TA or a book.
>you come in to her office and she doesn't seem to be there. you sit around waiting for like fifteen minutes until she finally strolls on in wearing a short black dress and high heels.
>"Hello anon, having some troubles with the homework are we?" She then gave a shit eating grin and walked over to where you were sitting, idly resting a hand on your shoulder and peering down at your laptop which was currently occupied with spaghetti bullshit code.
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>You reply.. "Yes.. I don't know what I'm supposed to do and forget a lot of the stuff you said in class, so I need some extra help, I'm desperate" You take a quiet shy breath, unsure of why she was so close.
>She smiled patted you on the shoulder, stepping past you slowly and eerily moving her hand over your cheek, letting you smell that delicious sweet perfume she was wearing, and also dragging her fingernails across your cheek like she was some freakish vampire.
>"I can help you with that anon, though I'm afraid today I don't have a lot of time and need to go home to do a few things." She tilted her head and sat down in her chair, packing up a few things into her bag.
>She looked over at you with those dark curious green eyes, waiting for you to respond.
>You just sat there and held you head down, frowning, clenching your laptop and feeling like a piece of shit. "So.. does this mean you can't help me Professor?..."
>"No anon, I'm not saying that at all. If you'd like you can come with me to my apartment and I'll help you get situated with the material, I'm very busy so I need to get home quickly."
>You freeze up and -think- to yourself, "What the fuck, what kind of a teacher asks that question?!" She's staring at you taking a deep breath, tapping her fingers on the desk impatiently, leaning back while she crossed those two beautifully dark legs, rocking one leg back and forth.
>"I um.. I uhh.. I g-guess.. I could do that..?" She smirked and nodded, lifting herself from her desk chair and taking her bag. "Come on then Anon lets go, my car's in the parking lot."
>You quickly pack up and follow her out the door, running up along side her as she's pretty fucking quick and in a mood to return home to do whatever the fuck it was she said she needed to do.
>She uses the clicker for her car and you see she owns an infinity.. black with all leather interior, 10/10 would ride any day tier.
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>You get into her car and feel your cheeks flushing a little bit as you see a few porno magazine's in the back seat. She starts up the car and drives 30 miles over the speed limit the whole ride, which only took then about ten minutes.
>You grip the seat while you're driving there, unsure of how her reflexes are so good, dodging and weaving through lanes. She doesn't seem to blink an eye and just drives like a crazy bitch.
>You arrive and get out, feeling slightly sick. She looks over at you and says casually, "You okay anon, I didn't pop your cherry yet with that ride did I?" She laughed softly and didn't even wait for a response.
>You just stand and watch her walk away, shivering, really confused now and rather embarrassed. Even if you tried to speak you'd just end up having a bunch of spaghetti pour out your mouth and fuck things up.
>You got to the second floor of her apartment complex and the two of you walk in, she motions you to go in first and closes the door.. and locks it.. throwing her bag to the side and she motions you over to the kitchen counter.
>You get your laptop out and quickly open the fail ass half of a program you wrote. The two of you go over the concepts and she seems uncomfortably close, but you get everything she's explaining to you none the less.
>Near the end of coding and finishing the homework you fuck up something she tells you to write and she gets frustrated and steps in, pressing her body up behind you and pinning you some to the counter, her slender toned arms resting atop of yours while she took your hands away and typed, then put her hand on your right and clicked something arbitrary.
>She sighed and said, "There anon, now do you understand everything clearly?"
>You shiver some and turn bright red, feeling her sexy body rub up behind you, her legs were squeezing back against yours while she pressed her pelvis against your ass, not too much but just enough to notice.
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>You nod quickly and barely make out a yes, noticeably your hands are trembling and you try to pull them back so she doesn't notice, but she does, to your dismay. "Th-thank you.. professor.. I'll go home now so you can get doing with whatever you needed to.. I can't thank you enough.."
>She didn't seem to be moving away to let you go however. And her hands suddenly clutched on yours, holding you against the counter. She tilted her head to the side and shook it. "Nuh uhhh... not so fast anon, you didn't think I'd give all this extra help for nothing did you?.. I want something from you."
>You stand there, pinned against the counter, your whole body shivering with fear as you have no idea what the fuck she's talking about, she slowly starting moving her hands up your arms and came to grip your shoulders and neck, you noticed she leaned in some to take a bite at the back of your neck.
>Totally caught of guard you let out a soft whimper and snickered silently, her leg started moving up yours as she lifted it off the ground to trap you more. "P..proff-essor.. I ca-can't stay here.. I.. umm.. mmnnhghr.."
>She replied, "Bullshit anon, if you have time for -extra- help then you have time to give me a little something in return, and you aren't leaving till I'm satisfied you piece of shit."
>She grabbed your wrist and pulled you along, past all of her expensive furniture and weight training equipment. Her grip was unnaturally strong and her nails dug into your skin a little.
>Once she had you past her bedroom door she tugged you hard and threw you towards the bed, she closed the door and quickly walked up behind you to bend you over the bed, you wouldn't get up quickly enough because you were too phased by the forceful push, coughing a little and face pressed up against those sweet smelling sheets.
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>Her hands groped over your ass and up your back, holding you down, she leaned over you inhaled deeply through her nose, letting her long black silky hair cascade over your body.
>You just lay there, utterly shocked, never having had an encounter like this, with a female, more like never had an encounter with a female period, and you didn't expect it to be a crazy /fit/ with a PHD in software engineering.
>She whispered in your ear sensually, her black lipstick glossy lips just an inch away from your skin breathing into you. "I'm going to fuck your brains out and make you scream like a little bitch."
>Grabbing you now, forcing you upwards she tossed you on the bed and quickly straddled you with her legs, her hands moving to your wrists to hold you down.
>There was literally not a thing you could do, you didn't know whether you should scream out for help or just take it like a man and accept the inevitable, she was damned hot though.
>She leaned down on top of you and pressed her lips against yours, bringing your hands inwards with hers to lay right next to your head, holding you down and fucking your mouth and throat with her tongue, luckily you brush your teeth often, three times a day so she doesn't get turned off by what she just did.
>Her tongue lurches around and jabs against yours and the back of your throat, wet, hot and sweet it just raped you. While her lips sealed tightly against your lips and muffled any vain attempts at a whimper or scream.'
>Staring into those dark eyes she had, you squirmed as much as you could but realized all hope was lost. She took you the way she wanted to and that's just the way it was.
>Coming up out of your throat to let you breath she sighed and grinned, in a most evil way, while you choked and gagged hard from the aftermath. She quickly turned around, squeezing her legs around you as you were laying down, slowly moving backwards.. her ass coming closer and closer to your face.
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>She lifted up the back of her skirt and revealed her wonderfully shaped rear, two luscious firm butt cheeks squeezed together and she was wearing no panties. Her heart shaped ass was right in your face now just an few centimetres away.
>You let out a few hushed breathes, trying to turn away from that beautiful, dark, heart shaped butt.
>She turned her head and looked back at you, her legs squeezed around your arms and shoulders, one hand on your crotch, squeezing it tightly with her hand. She bit her lip and grinned seductively.
>"Alright anon, I know you might not be a pervert, but I am, now I want you to surrender to me and lick my ass-hole. Just accept it. Open your mouth and give me that tongue of yours. I cleaned it this morning too, so you really don't have anything to bitch about."
>Looking up at her with just your eyes visible to her, filled with fear and panic, "Bu-but, n-noo! Why me! I.. it's.. it's...." As opened your mouth to speak she grabbed your cock hard in her hand, her eyes narrowing with contempt.
>"Lick it now, anon.. or else, you want me to erase everything I just did for you and also beat the living shit out of you?"
>You whimpered and shivered. Gazing up at that ass, she pushed it up against your mouth now and smiled most pleased with herself, knowing that you couldn't refuse her.
>Pushing your face between those two soft skin covered mounds of butt, almost having some difficulty in the task as she was well trained. You let out soft shallow breathes, so frightened but at the same time filled with lust and desire, you know you wanted to please this bitch and taste that dark conquering ass-hole.
>Flicking your tongue out weakly at first, you notice at tight ring of muscle, perfectly shaved and soft. It tasted so good, almost like candy. Getting more turned on as you noticed she was liking it, her eyes closing softly and she moaned with her lips pursed, enjoying how you succumb to her blackmail.
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>You swirl that tongue around her ring and get it nice and wet, pressing up a little more between her cheeks and smooching/kissing her ass-hole most dedicatedly, making soft noises as you did so. At the same time you noticed your cock getting rock hard as you were doing this and also being fondled by her.
>She sat up straight however and just let you pleasure her, triumphantly sitting on your face, She squeezed her legs in some more and you felt those dark sexy toned thighs wrap around your slender neck, situating you a little more to give in and be more vulnerable.
>You start poking her ass-hole with your tongue, just pressing against it and teasing it. She moaned a little more and sucked in some air in lustful way, "That's good anon.. good boy.. eat it and love it, you'll soon learn being used like a toy is what you were made for. Eat up slave."
>Pressing your wet saliva covered tongue now between her tight ring, slowly, her muscles surrounded you and tightened up firmly around your tongue. Your lips pressed and hugged around her ass-hole now, giving it a deep everlasting kiss of submission and obedience.
>You pressed your tongue back and forth, massaging inside her tight confines, giving it more and more as her thighs squeezed tightly on your neck and you felt it slightly hard to breath, but it was comforting choke-hold.
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>She took one hand and pressed on the back of your head, her slender fingers gripping your scalp dominantly, nails scratching lightly on your hair and skin.
>"Excellent anon.. I can tell we're going to be good friends, and you're an very smart student" She snickered and rubbed her pussy all the mean while with the other hand, coming away from massaging your cock, but you didn't care.
>Eating her ass-hole felt so good it just became second nature now. After several minutes of deep tongue penetration and massage she came, in a rather controlled away. Moaning deeply and getting off for several minutes with multiple orgasms, pressing her ass down on your face and you just became totally blinded now.
>She sighed happily and let go of your head. You fell back on the pillow and panted like a slut that just got raped.
>Lifting one leg off of you and pulling down her skirt she patted your cheek and smiled, "I enjoyed giving you lessons today anon, if you need any more help just come to my office and arrange an appointment, I'm sure you'll pass my class if you follow my instruction."
>You lick your lips and smile meekly, savouring the taste and feel of that pucker, the way it dominated you and fucked your tongue. "Ye-yes.... professor, th-thank you."

>To be continued
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>>3805207
>>3821929
http://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=reverse_jackhammer

Anonymous always delivers.
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>>3824054
http://img2.gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=reverse_jackhammer

Aaaaaaaaaaand forgets to send the second link...
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>>3823881
I'm still waiting, motherfucker
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>>3806814
That was amazing. What can you search to find more femdon like this? (More hard core mind break shit and less just aggressive girl)
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>>3823881
Waiting...
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>>3827927
this
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>>3819633
It's the same regardless of gender

Femdom is just female domination which can include BDSM but also rape, as seen in several pictures in this thread, even.
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http://vocaroo.com/i/s0K6QM8oAyCv

So I was going through my drills and ran into this sample sentence, and got incredibly aroused. Does hentai with a girl getting just really fucking angry even exist? Or JAV? Does this count as femdom? I'm so lost right now.
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>>3831360
pretty sure femdom is anything where the lady is very much in charge

it's kind of a loose term so just post whatever
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please don't let this thread die, it's so good

I never knew there was so much hentai femdom
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>>3806814
holy shit thats gold
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>>3831448
>pretty sure femdom is anything where the lady is very much in charge
You're confusing with assertive, femdom is BDSM with a dominant woman.
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>>3834677
then what would you call a more mild femdom that isn't the typical bdsm stuff (ie. whips, pegging, needles, gags, etc.)?
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>>3834678
>I don't have reading comprehension.
Assertive.
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>>3822464
im not the person that posted it but its from a hentai game called office romance, here i even got a link for you so you can play it yourself :)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/480863
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>>3835431
Are you really that stupid or are you mocking the laziness of that other anon?
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>>3826812
>>3828124
Don't think it's ever going to be continued
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>>3821954
pls more of this. or tell me what chapter/page
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>>3838802
never mind im stupid
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>>3806814
Makes me wanna see Takashina's story.
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>>3806814
This was actually drawn and written by the author of Black Lagoon.
Pretty good, uh?
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>>3804953
bamp
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>>3820020
I LOVE mari femdom doujins.
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>>3805211
This guy gets it!
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>>3822910
im triggered :(
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>>3843413
Not only will this thread die you'll also get banned for posting western.
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time to get this thread going again
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2/around 60
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this thread is so good
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