Are used workstations/ tower servers a good deal on ebay? Say

>>52959773
They're a great deal but sometimes you will need to compile your own kernel for them since the mainstream distros (Debian, CentOS) will often drop support for them before PCs

>>52959773
>workstation
Implying you have work lol

-Posting from work

>>52959834
Give me an example? Arent the workstations he's talking about x86_64?

>>52959773
x86_64 aren't workstations. Workstations should be strictly risc based and not cisc/risc hybrid.

>>52959773
i'm actually attempting to buy an hp proliant dl380 g6 for virtualization purposes. i've been looking at workstations too - and i'm just kinda weary, some of this stuff is cheap as fuck, what's wrong with it? like on the hp section of computers.woot there is a 300 dual xeon workstation. why are these so cheap. if i want to snatch a 48gb ram dual xeon server for $200 i want to know what's wrong with it.

>>52960020
This, what is the catch? New equivalents are literally 10 times as much, while being max 30-40% faster and power usage in idle halved. Not much else.

SATA2 ports and +2tb HDDs are kinda problem. Also some propietary nonstandard PSU connectors/ cooling I guess.

like >>52959834 said software support might be a problem aswell.

>>52959891
not the cpu, the scsci controllers, bare-bones gpus, network controllers, etc

>>52960211
again, can you give me a specific example? two people agreed in this thread that it happens. Most of the video cards are just radeon/nividia's.

>>52959773
For fucking around with VMs cheap gaymen is a current favorite for "labs". The truth is unless your running actual high use servers 4 cores, 16GB + a decent SSD should be enough for 7-8 VMs if provisioned correctly.

>>52960020
if i want to snatch a 48gb ram dual xeon server for $200 i want to know what's wrong with it.
People who use workstations and servers with 6-32 cores and 32+GB of RAM are usually running nested VM hosts and are transferring VM on the fly between two virtual hosts. They are virt admins or storage wonks. Most of those guys do that on new hardware "borrowed" from work. Also those servers are loud as fuck, unless you've sat next to one for 5 minutes you won't even understand how loud and stressful the constant drone of delta fan imparts.

If your starting out just build a cheap 4 core i5 box with 16GB of DDR3 and 256GB+ SSD or upgrade whatever current system you are running now.

>>52960265
aspeed gpus (often found on supermicro boards)
dell perc raid controller

https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=7400

these are the two I've run into recently

>>52960442
I did used to own an intel 3550 with 32gb of ram for use with VMs, and that was cool, I was running a few velociraptors and everything was fine. But to try to rebuild something like that now when I can buy a $200 server and get $20 10k RPM 300GB SAS off Amazon, it's kind of a no brainer. 32GB i5 whatever for >$300 or a $200 server with 8 hotswap bays, 2 server processors, 48gb ram, etc? know what i mean?

>>52960442
from what I've heard workstations are actually pretty silent.
I know that actual rack mountable servers are loud as fuck from experience and wouldn't event consider getting one. Know a dude whos servers can be heard from outside of his house 50 feet away :D

>>52960629
Price of new consumer HW is just way too high compared to these. 2011 could'a gotten i5+ decent p67 under 300$, try that nowdays.

Ram prices are now the same what in 2012 aswell, sucks to buy new stuff.

>>52960629
you'll be also missing the main selling point of workstaions. ECC ram.

>>52960572
Both of those examples are for servers. I don't think dell had a workstation with perc4's and a workstation wouldn't have a shitty video card like aspeed.

>>52959773
I own a HP Z420 and a Dell Precision 7500, and have owned a Z800 in the past.

Something to consider with the 7500 - In order to add a 2nd CPU, you need a riser card.

The Z420 is only single socket, but it's LGA2011, and mine has a Xeon 1680? in it, so 6 cores, 64GB RAM.

>>52959891
>x86_64 aren't workstations. Workstations should be strictly risc based and not cisc/risc hybrid.

And who still makes RISC workstation?

Exactly.

>>52959834
That's why you use the BSDs. If BSD will run on that hardware today, it will run on it 20 years from now too.

>>52959773
Is a refurbished thinkpad t430 any good?

They are like $460 Canadian.

>>52961164
I would pay $250 freedom bux max

>>52960770
WTF are you smoking? You can get a locked i5 and decent h81 board for under $300 and ram is dirt fucking cheap!

>>52961164
Equivalent of these as laptop, no ecc ram but in every other aspect yes, especially with quadcore+16gb ram

>>52961189
ram is dirt cheap, but you also need a case, a power supply, and enough drive bays to be competitive with the refurb server market. you can get 300gb 10k SAS drives for 20 each and throw them into a $200 refurb server with dual xeons.

>>52961189
>p67=h81

yeah, right.
>what are expansion cards?

h81 maxes out in 16gb non-ecc ram, not enough pcie lines etc..

>>52959891
fucking weak
CISC m68k workstations predate any RISC workstation.

>>52961076
Read the OP he's looking in the used market. Sun ultra 45 or 25 are still available new old stock.

>>52961369
no, it competed against x86. Unless you're talking atari gaymen system.

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>>52959773
JUST DO IT!

>>52961480
you get that refurb?

>>52961535
Yeah, best decision I've made in a while.

>>52961260
He never said anything accept for i5+decent mobo

>>52961322
>p67
Yea the h81 is newer and has more features, your point? Spend any etra $30 on a h97 board and still come in under $300.

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>>52961480
so hot right now

>>52961430
Link?

>>52962366
Better have some dosh.

ebay item: 272128048931

Im debating either building my own rig for about $1000 bucks, or buying something used off craigslist or something.

I had read somewhere that you should value a used PC at something like 2% off every week it is used, so after a year, a $1000 computer is worth about $500 or so.

Like this:

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/sys/5439860952.html


Any tips?

>>52960442
Nothing is wrong with it, they just don't value it like you do. $3000 per server is nothing.

>>52959834
NO.

>>52959891
Why the hell would you want a RISC workstation. RISC is used in situations that require low power, not high performance.

>>52959834
>>52959891
All aboard the retard train.

>>52963908
>>52963923
newbs detected. I'm guessing you were sucking on your momma's tit in the 90's. right?

>>52963965
This isn't the 90s sperglord. RISC would be a step backwards. l2architectures

>>52964000
what is pa-risc
what is IBM power
what is sun sparc
what is pentium pro 686...
You're fucking trolling me right, kid?

>>52964021
Exactly two of those are in use and they're only used in huge server deployments.

>>52964037
yeah, must be those low power non high performance deployments...

fuck off. You're retarded.

>>52964080
Lemme guess, you're still in school...

>>52964095
funny, i was going to say the same about you since you seem so wet behind the ears. You talk like you've never been in industry.

>>52964154
Ah so you're the other end of the spectrum. Someone past his relevance. I bet you still believe the AS400 has valid business use.

>>52964227
stop mumbling kid and go back to your book about arm architecture.

>>52964271
>ARM architecture
That's cute.

Give me a use for IBM power outside of Mainframes (which are dying and have been). Or an application for Sparc that can't be matched by x86 for the same price.
Protip: you can't

>>52964021
PA-RISC/SPARC are pretty legacy systems and even POWER8 has pretty poor power efficiency over AMD64. The R&D is just kind of lacking in comparison to Intel/AMD's. POWER has the potential to be really strong in massive scale HPC.
The most cost effective solution these days is buying 2 E5 2670v1s off ebay and a pulled SuperMicro board with a used consumer graphics card; I think it's a pretty good deal.

>>52961076
Talos engineering is about to... POWER8 based. Oh what!?

>>52959834
>>52959891
>>52960177
>>52960211
what in the unironic fuck are any of you retards on about?? is this really what /g/ has become?

why the fuck do gaymers still live in the fucking '90s when it comes to workstation hardware? literally the only real difference you'll notice in a home use case with >2000 PC workstation hardware is maybe a little bit less performance in real-time rendering

>>52962366
all over ebay, you can buy a well-stocked blade 2500 for around $300-$400

ultra 25s/45s are fucking highway robbery even though the only really different thing in them is the case and higher RAM ceiling

>>52959891
>Workstations should be strictly risc based and not cisc/risc hybrid.
Workstations have been CISC from the beginning, it was only in the '90s that they became predominantly RISC.

ISA has no bearing on the definition of a "workstation" anyway, it's all in what it's used for.

>>52965750
>PC
>workstation
hahah pick one faggot!

>iterally the only real difference you'll notice in a home use case with
>2000 PC workstation hardware is maybe a little bit less performance in real-time rendering

and floating point errors because Intel can't into math.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug

>>52959891

>x86_64 aren't workstations

herp derp

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>>52965829
the Pentium was never intended for workstations you dipshit, especially those shitty first-gen chips that nobody used except in large file servers, corner office boxes and small thermonuclear weapons

PC workstations didn't really come of age until 1995 when the Pentium Pro allowed Intel to attack the low-end workstation market and NT finally had some software worth running

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>>52965987
Haha talking like hes a wikipedia article. Ppros sucked too. Pic related. I had them; they sucked.

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>>52966139
Nice Magnum. I still have 3 Pentium Pro systems, their 16-bit performance was deplorable and made them unsuitable for average desktop use, they weren't really too bad at all as workstation/server chips, especially with those huge full-speed caches.

>>52966209
>Magnum
I didn't see the "Millennia" on top, whoops. Still breddy good.

Most workstations that are sold on eBay are off-lease from bigger companies who renew their equipment every few years.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Precision-T3600-Intel-Xeon-QC-E5-1620-3-6GHz-250GB-HDD-16GB-RAM-Win-7-Pro-/291599693795?hash=item43e4b237e3

Here's a good deal, I offered $500 and they accepted.

>>52966278
That's pretty sweet, almost sounds worth considering for myself.

Currently running on a $5 T7400

>>52959773
If you don't mind the power consumption they're great deals.

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This is for older hardware on ebay.
I don't know if the cooler is compatible or not

Dell Precision T5400 motherboard RW203 $30

2x Xeon X5355 - $30 (2x Hyper212 EVO = $60)

Case Free (use an old one)

Ram 8x2 DDR2 - $30-60

PSU Antec earthwatts 650 - $70-80

Total = $200

+ Dedicated GPU of your choice

>>52966898
why the fuck would you buy an aftermarket cooler for a proprietary workstation?

>>52967008
nevermind, didn't realize you were shoving that shit in another case (why, just buying a whole system is probably the same price or cheaper and the parts will be much higher quality than that bargain bin special shit