How would /g/ rate music codecs in 2016. Specifically for daily

256 kbps VBR V0 .mp3 a best

I got my library mostly in 320/256/V0/192.

Why is MP3 still a thing? It's beat by other formats in all areas
>Least efficient
>Not free
>AAC is already widely used commercially for non-music

>>52953943
Hell if I know but majority of my music is 320/V0 mp3 just because that's what people encode shit in. Most of the people just don't care and want their empeethrees because that's what they are used to and because of the demand people who rip encode it as such.
This is also why opus/vorbis is slightly more popular in less normie infected communities, such as weebs.

Vorbis q5

>>52953943
How's MP3 less free than AAC? Both are covered in patents.
MP3 is prolly more free when you consider the tooling, where MP3 has good open-source encoders (libmp3lame) and AAC doesn't.

MP3 is already near-transparent at low bitrates and disk space is getting bigger not smaller. You gain nothing by switching. Some old plastic boxes might not even support AAC.

>>52954055
Less free than Vorbis and Opus, dimwit.

>>52953718
>no m4a

>>52954216
this is bait

>>52954163
No one cares about obscure formats for music that no one can play.
Last MP3 patents will expire soon (2017), anyway.

opus > vorbis > aac > mp3

>>52953943
fuck i rember times when mp3 was only encoding option like on sony mp3 players and nobody bother to vobis, with really wins on variable bitrate
And i rember times compressing shity albums to 64 mb per cd xD

>>52954163
according to whom? stupid US software patents don't matter for the rest of the world.
Debian considers MP3 as free and they have it in their free repo since years.

Opus where I can play it (PC, android, rockbox), ogg if I can't (sony mp3 player in car), and mp3 for all other usages (chinese mp3 player for running)

I keep a conversion cache on an older 1TB drive and store my flac archives on a 2TB RAID 1 setup that I occasionally backup to an offsite external drive

>>52954328

What exactly can happen when mp3 is free?

>>52953718
>2016
>mp3
>relevant
Only if you're a complete cuck

>>52954613
most streaming services still use MP3 and they make more money than CDs now.

>>52954627
Spotify, the leading music streaming service, uses Vorbis.

>>52954654
that's why they have the worst quality

>>52954607

Currently you could be sued for using .mp3 for commercial purposes without a license.

>>52953943
Why is JPEG still a thing? It just werks on every device is the reason.

>>52953718
>- mp3
It's okay. Good because literally anything can play it. Bad because you need to set the bitrate around 192 Kbps to get audible transparency.

>- aac
Hipster garbage. Only reason to use it is because you have fapple devices. A good bitrate varies depending on what extension is used (ie LC, HE)

>- opus
The best audio codec out there. Audible transparency is reached around 96-128 Kbps if a complexity value of 10 is used. Only bad thing is fapple and ancient devices have trouble playing it or won't play it at all.

>- vorbis
Almost as good as Opus. Audible transparency reached around 128 Kbps.

If daily use means converting music from the archive in order to put it on my smartphone, qaac tvbr ~160Kbps is my choice.

>>52954734

Fresh asspull data you've got there.

>>52954771

this dude

*.mp3 has been there since the dawn of internet piracy. It is actually nostalgic to somebody like me, who remembers that era but it also just works, on everything. Somewhat locked in my ways here, I won't allow any other music format in to my library.

flac > everything else

>>52954867
lol

>>52954840
>Fresh asspull data you've got there.
so you think spotify premium is a scam?

foley artist for TV representing
>Archiving/HQ
AIFF
>Local music playback
AAC

>>52954907
>AIFF

Not WAV?

>>52954884
Plebs don't know how to block ads without buying premium.

>>52953718
>Specifically for daily use, not for archival

This statement makes no sense. I'm going to maintain an archive regardless, because I don't want to re-buy any CDs that succumb to disc rot. Why would I turn around and transcode everything to a lossy format just for listening? Why shouldn't I just use my lossless archival copies that I already have?

So on that note, FLAC > everything else. It's not like portable devices these days are even short on storage, so again, there's no reason to use anything but archival backups.

>>52954931
That's illegal.

Opus > *

fite me fags

>>52954960
Ad blockers are illegal?

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>>52954328
>No one cares about obscure formats for music that no one can play.
Sorry, what? I couldn't hear you.

>>52954962
Is Opus better than Vorbis at ultra high bitrates?

>>52954929
AIFF = Apple WAV = Microsoft
They're the same thing.

>>52954929
AIFF holds metadata. WAV doesn't.

>>52954962
Market adoption is practically non-existent. No stores sell Opus music. No music streaming services use it. Only a bite-sized amount of Android music players support it.

MP3 V0 is key. The final patent expires next year and after that it's free forever.

>>52954957
FLAC doesn't protect against bit rot. CDs do with their CIRC.
pressed CDs last longer than your HDDs and are less likely to get bit rot.

>>52954982
what kind of fucked up android device do you have that doesn't have native vorbis and opus support?

>>52955027
>No music streaming services use it.
Wow, harsh. I'm REALLY FUCKING SADDENED by this news.

RIP YOUR OWN MUSIC TO OPUS YOU DUMB FUCK.

>>52955033
>not converting your music files into QR codes and then storing them in videos hosted on youtube
It's like you WANT to lose your data.

>>52955060
I'm not going to rip my music to a dead format.

>>52954884

I do not. You said it's worse, but compared to what?

Also, I'm not the other anon who replied mentioning ad blocking. I wouldn't run an ad blocker on spotify free since I'm not a complete leech, although definitely a pirate.

FLAC is the best because no rotational velocidensity.

>>52955060
Why would I rip my music to a format that's only supported on a whopping three music players when I can rip it to MP3 V0 and play it on pretty much anything?

>>52955074
So you're going to rip it to a crappy format instead?

Classic normalfag. Classic.

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fucking dropped

>>52955027
I buy physical CDs and streaming services are useless for me with zero music but that's from my perspective and your mileage may vary.

>Only a bite-sized amount of Android music players support it.
The only players worth a damn.

>>52955114
Android 5.0 and later has native Opus support. What kind of shitty players don't use the OS's features?

>>52954328
Vorbis is definitely not obscure.

>>52955102
Android as a whole supports .opus as of 5.0.

>>52955104
>So you're going to rip it to a crappy format instead?

V0 is transparent to me.

>>52955132
I've only seen Vorbis tracks being sold on Bandcamp.

>>52955191
>commonly used for games and the like
>used by spotify
>supported by Android and almost every digital audio audio player
Bandcamp isn't obscure either.

all those fags talking about "obscure" are probably using linux on their pcs. baka lmao @ you're life

>>52955242
GNU/Linux supports opus and vorbis.

64kbps per channel Opus

>>52955242
get the fuck out normalfag
>>>/v/

>>52955242
I'm using Windows 10 because Adobe CC doesn't work on Linux.

>>52954907
I do this but with ALAC instead of AIFF

>>52954981
>Ad blockers are illegal
ayy

>Frauenhofer Institute
Why am I not surprised it was created in based Germany?

>God tier
Opus

>Good tier
Vorbis

>Shit tier
MP3
AAC

>>52955005
Theoretically yes, though it's basically untestable as no one can abx them.

>>52955033
Wrong, Flac has a CRC on every frame.

>>52953718
flac or wav +1100kbps

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FHG/QAAC -> Best all round
OPUS -> hipster MU FREEDOM codec. Becomes transparent at around the same bitrate AAC does, however AAC is 1000x more compatible so there is no point using opus besides specific cases where Low latency and ultra low filesize is needed. While I do like to carry a lot of music on my sd cards, I prefer encoding with a small margin above my own personal transparency thershold (around 170~180kbps for FHG/QAAC) so there is no point in using OPUS.

-Vorbis: I feel for the meme of the "Promissing mu freedom codec" before, and that was the AoTuV Implementation of Vorbis. Encoded most of my library for the go in AoTuV when it was better than AAC. But them, the developers start improving it, and the promisses of the format replacing mp3 never fulfilled, instead, the AAC improved even further and surpassed Vorbis and know vobis don't play anywhere else besides smartphones and computers. In the end I had to reconvert all my vorbis library to AAC, since AAC can at least play on my car stereo natively.

-mp3
While for 90% of cases mp3 at V2 is transparent, it still has much more issues with artifacting difficult samples than AAC. I hate people that still release things in mp3 CBR 320kbps, that's utterly stupid. Just use fucking V0 if you want to go to placebo level, no point on bloating that shit with CBR FFS.

I have tested several of my favorite music with bot ABX and ABC-HR and found out that for over 95% of the time in ideal condition, music becomes transparent to me around 192kbps for mp3, and 170~180kbps for QAAC.

However, I find acceptable to hear mp3 at around 170kbps without "annoying me" and as low as 144kbps for QAAC. These lower bitrate settings I usually use on my smartphone to save space on my least favorite music tracks or classical chamber/solo instruments, as they need much less bitrate than rock or jazz which is my second favorite genre of music.

People should really do proper ABC-HR testing before making claims, even ABX is overkill.

>>52953718
Opus > Vorbis >= AAC > mp3
I just prefer vorbis over aac because its free, otherwise they offer about the same efficency

>>52954962
>>52957863
>>52954358

Opus is a stupid hipster format. Everyone that glorifies it are sheep who never performed ABCHR tests by themselves.

>>52954055
AAC can play literally anywhere. Even shitty flip nokia phones from 2004 play AAC.
Unless you buy a shitty cheap car stereo that only plays mp3 and wma, you would never have problem of not playing AAC. Good luck looking for a decent car stereo that play Opus or even Vorbis.

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>>52959516
>>52957863
>>52954358


Vorbis is worse than AAC, faggots.

https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,106354.0.html

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>>52959687
B-but muh freedoms

WAV >AAC >MPC > APE > OPUS > FLAC

OPUS
P
U
S

>>52959590
>OPUS IS STUPID EVEN THOUGH I NEVER USED IT BEFORE

sure is NSA in here

>inb4 what is language replies

>>52953878
I cant enjoy my 192 honest
I feel like a fag

FLAC über alles.

Everything else is a compromise for poorfags.

And we're talking real bottom of the barrel miserly jew losers here, a 64gb mSD can be had for ~$15. Even if every single FLAC album is 300mb (they skew much closer to 200mb), that's something like 200+ hours of lossless, uncompromised music on something the size of your nail. It's the ultimate epitome of affordable music quality and quantity in human history.

Not using FLAC is yelling to the world "Yes, I DO enjoy shit in my ears!"

>>52954884
I can't even get spotify in Canada without premium

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Might be my audio card is bad, or that my equipment is not the most expensive. But I find the old trusty LAME encoder set to V0 VBR MP3 to do a good job at digitizing my music.

>>52953718

MP3 (VBR)

That;s it. All you need.

>>52960737
>Not 320
Earlet detected

>>52960757
Let your music breathe a little instead of brick-wall limiting your 320.

is it worth converting from mp3 to opus?

>>52961131
No, lossy audio should only be converted to another lossy format if absolutely necessary, else don't encode them to another lossy format.

If space is a vital asset then the lowest bitrate I would use is 192Kbps with a complexity of 10 for Opus assuming source is 320k MP3.

>>52960757
Check with Spek. VVR has better results. CBR cuts abruptly above 16kHz, whereas VBR is leaner. CBR is no longer recommended.

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>>52961131
Not for storage, no is not.

>>52961394
Bullshit.
For storage on a hard drive on your desktop, it's pointless. it's fine if it's a high bitrate lossy format and you want to put it temporarely on a portable music player. Reencoding to a smaller bitrate from a lossy encode with a large margin of bitrate to spare will accumulate VERY LITTLE encoding artifacts.

In fact, this was a topic already discussed on HA and there has been some smal limited listening tests between users, me included, concluding that is almost impossible to double blindy discern which is A or B in the following scenarios:

A:FLAC -> mp3 V0 -> opus 96kbps
B:FLAC -> opus 96kbps

This becomes even more true when listening outdoors where the ambient for proper appreciating the music is fairly compromised.

>>52960757
Mp3 is stupid.
bloating mp3 won't save you from killer samples, just use a fucking better codec with lower bitrate instead.

>>52961448
This.

>>52960491
I know this is bait, but:
>compromise for poorfag
>enjoy shit in my ears.
Confirmed as a stupid missinformed audiophilic wannabe that buy into whatever cheat placebo it's presented to him.

You have clearly never done a proper ABCHR listening test before. If you do, it'd become clear that there is no reason to store 200gb of FLAC music you don't even really like that much for an unperceiveable gain in quality.

>>52960275
Nice strawman.

>>52960307
Because you are.