A researcher in Russia has made more than 48 million journal articles - almost every single peer-reviewed paper every published - freely available online. And she's now refusing to shut the site down, despite a court injunction and a lawsuit from Elsevier, one of the world's biggest publishers.
For those of you who aren't already using it, the site in question is Sci-Hub, and it's sort of like a Pirate Bay of the science world. It was established in 2011 by neuroscientist Alexandra Elbakyan, who was frustrated that she couldn't afford to access the articles needed for her research, and it's since gone viral, with hundreds of thousands of papers being downloaded daily. But at the end of last year, the site was ordered to be taken down by a New York district court - a ruling that Elbakyan has decided to fight, triggering a debate over who really owns science.
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has a thread with details on it. there's no centralized repo so we can't mass download or torrent it yet. people are trying to work a way so that people can download different sections then torrent them independently. That's why I've got to /g/, to ask for you help in finding a solution
"The site works in two stages. First of all when you search for a paper, Sci-Hub tries to immediately download it from fellow pirate database LibGen. If that doesn't work, Sci-Hub is able to bypass journal paywalls thanks to a range of access keys that have been donated by anonymous academics (thank you, science spies).
This means that Sci-Hub can instantly access any paper published by the big guys, including JSTOR, Springer, Sage, and Elsevier, and deliver it to you for free within seconds. The site then automatically sends a copy of that paper to LibGen, to help share the love.
Last year, a New York court delivered an injunction against Sci-Hub, making its domain unavailable (something Elbakyan dodged by switching to a new location), and the site is also being sued by Elsevier for "irreparable harm" - a case that experts are predicting will win Elsevier around $750 to $150,000 for each pirated article. Even at the lowest estimations, that would quickly add up to millions in damages."
Maybe that will help
Site is still up now and I use it dozens of times a day. Everyone does. It's literally the home page to most of my science buddies.
Paywalls on research papers are cancer.
How the fuck can I do proper research if all the good non-wikipedia tier information is in 500 dollar textbooks I don't own/aren't in the school library or behind 29.99 dollar each journal papers?
This. Protecting Snowden doesn't mean Russia would protect their own whistleblowers and it doesn't mean that they'll protect anyone who fled from USA or has a beef with them.
Russia gives a ton of shit about copyright laws, so both countries have a common interest in shutting this down.
>any country but the most acclaimed cuckolds of the US gov
>extraditing it's own citizen to US
I just checked my country's contitution.
It's forbidden to extradite a fellow citizen if the crime he committed (or is suspected of commiting) was without the use of physical violence.
He's the best.
Coming from a typesetting service company, publishers like Elsevier are greedy fruits and a pain in the alps to deal with.
>mfw just used it
>it fucking works
Gotta show it to everyone
>Elsevier, one of the world's biggest publishers.
They're also one of the biggest trolls in the industry, to the point that many academics are refusing to use them anymore. They've actually taken stuff with CC-NC licenses charged money for it and then filed copyright suits against others who published it.
given the DOI syntax
couldn't we create a script to check every DOI in a range? So it would ask the website to pull the article from the publisher's site, download and then move on to the next one.
Since this would take too much time, we could separate this in thousands of machines.
i suggest we nto only make a torrent of it but also make a mirror of the database in ZeroNet—thus making an unshutdownable website where every visitor automatically becomes a host
Holy shit this lady is based
Thanks Russian science lady
That's pretty based.
I would love to archive something like libgen archived, but I don't have a spare 10TB at the moment. Also, not having the names on the torrents really kills it for me.
Reminder that the last time someone tried this, the feds slapped them with a 36 year sentence.
This lady has some serious balls for doing this.
FUCK THE PUBLISHERS.
>funded by tax money
>run by a public institution
>costs almost nothing to host and disseminate
>virtually useless to normies withouth proper education
>instrumental in furthering scientific progress
Yes you're right, this should be locked behind paywalls.
Fucking go back to your consumer device threads.
It's funded by taxpayers but private publishers reap almost all of the profits.
The schools are literally funneling money and manpower to create "products" for corporations to sell online. It's fucking perverse.
She's from Kazakhstan, I think she'll be aiight. She's prolly laughing at the thought of the US government actually being able to imprison her for anything much less a court here being able to award anyone damages.
Yeah, I'm thinking their system can get away with using the private keys of actual researchers because it cycles through hundreds, if not thousands on them. Attempting to actually download everything wholesale may compromise them, doing more harm than good in the long run.
>I think she'll be aiight
fucking hell anon, what the fuck do you think you're doing trying to anger the meme gods?
>inb4 she dies
I'm just saying that it should be done randomly. Is there something like a pseudo-random number generator that doesn't repeat? Or we could just generate all DOIs, store them in RAM, and mix them up randomly.
You're 100% correct. I work as a researcher at a university and I agree that our papers should be public knowledge. Someone mentioned it before, but did you know that we have to pay to publish? It's bullshit, and many other people agree. Luckily, there is an open-access journal called PLoS One, and it's been gaining a lot of traction among researchers from all over because of it's open policy. I just wish there were more open access journals for high quality papers, like an open access 'Nature' or 'Science'.
That sounds familiar....
>pay poverty-tier wages
>government issues food stamps to employees
>said employees use food stamps to buy stuff from Wal-Mart
>government reimburses Wal-Mart
I thought the idea was to mirror articles to libgen, since sci-hub automatically mirrors every paper you search for to libgen. Mirroring libgen would be hard because most of us don't have 30TB of free space.
Because she's a fucking cishet. If she had a dick and was transitioning then they'd care.
this is where
zeronet comes in:
everyone mirrors a bit (ie relevant articles to themself or jut random stuff) and togehter we mirror all of it. i am ready to dedicate a 4TB drive to this, i already mirror gigs upon gigs of books and infographics
Knowledge should be free to anyone who's interested.
Here's the problem though: Peer review costs money because some scientists/post docs have to do it.
If we don't have peer review, we get arxiv. Which is nice to spread ideas but can't be trusted.
How do we fix this dilemma?
>Peer review costs money because some scientists/post docs have to do it.
Scientists/post docs you've mentioned usually have to pay to get their paper published.
All the money goes to the publisher
>Peer review costs money because some scientists/post docs have to do it.
Gee, I wonder who pays scientists/postdocs to do their jobs...
>a case that experts are predicting will win Elsevier around $750 to $150,000 for each pirated article. Even at the lowest estimations, that would quickly add up to millions in damages."
kek, they don't seriously expect to see any of that money? That adds up to between $36 billion and $7.2+ trillion (2x the US's yearly federal budget) in damages. I think that's probably a record for monetary damage caused by a single person acting alone.
>state-funded researchers submit papers to scientific journals
>state-funded researchers review said papers for scientific journals
>state-funded libraries pay tons of money to gain access to these scientific journals
Is this the biggest scam ever?
If you or anyone else hasn't seen the documentary already, it goes deep into Aaron's legal battle with a journal-hogging faggot corporation and their pet prosecutor.
I try to cram it down my normie friends' whenever I can, because they're all so fucking oblivious when it comes to corporate tyranny around "intellectual properties." It's worth the watch for the rage factor alone.
Nice Streisand Effect.
Bookmarked for future reference. Thanks anon.
Adding to what I said earlier,
We can also host these files pretty easily. If you get a chinese botnet cloud account (baidu or the others I forgot), you can get 2 TB for free.
Assuming an average of 1 MB per article, we would need 48 TB to store it all.
Develop an app (android and ios) that accesses sci-hub, and stores the copy in a pre-determined baidu cloud.
So, there. We would have another government who gives no shits about copyright, AND is massive on article production.
This can only be seen as a good thing. We live in 2016, not 1416, and there are absolutely no valid reasons for gating and charging for scientific information. Access should be ubiquitous and free; with the population as large as it is today, the chances that someone out there can make use of said information that benefits humankind as a whole is greater than it's ever been. We can't afford to stifle that.
Fuck these researchers too. As you said, all of their little research is done with taxpayer money, they should be giving away these articles for free to begin with. All researchers are shit heads that don't want to get a real job so they go to college to get into "academia" or "research." Anytime someone tells me they want to go into research or academia I want to kill them. They say it was such pride and arrogance, while I'm making $200k a year with no degree as a programmer.
some research is funded by secret government programs.
some research is funded by private trusts.
some research is funded by private corporations.
it's entirely owned by those entities, and not subject to public disclosure laws.
think of it this way, you discover a new porn you like fapping to. my little pony, for instance. you may not be the first to discover that you're turned on by /mlp/, but you like it. is it your duty to tell everyone in the world that you are turned on by /mlp?
>implying any corporate entities would keep their research behind paywall
They have every reason to make them freely accessible if only for prestige. It's oftentimes the implementation of the theory that's proprietary and closely guarded (binary blob, etc). Almost all the research Microsoft has done is a good example.
What we're discussing here is the fact that a vast majority of publicly funded research journals being locked behind private paywalls, when they should be available freely. If private research wants to lock theirs behind paywalls, that's fine. The same shouldn't be applied to stuff out of public institutions.
Not him, but public institutions have no obligation to give out their research. I wish all research would be open access, but to say they should be required to be is ridiculous. Tax money goes to the government, which then goes to the researchers. The money is then property of the researchers, that's how grants work.
>Money isn't everything, some people go into fields because they enjoy working in the profession.
That's what say when I bring up when I make more than without a degree as a defense mechanism. They wasted time and money going to college/university, and I didn't, yet I make more money than most college educated people, and it just infuriates them. So they can keep their feeling of superiority, they pull out the "money isn't everything" and "I enjoy my profession" card.
You're a complete fucking idiot, you know that? All of the research whose owners dont want it to get out simply doesn't get published, much less with Elsevier which is the most accessed one. If it gets published in a journal then it's public, it's only hidden there if you don't want/can't pay the publisher the cash for him to unblock the access for you. You actually made me mad with your dumb bait, 10/10.
I have a degree, and I don't care that you make more money than me. That's good for you, but I look forward to going to work, and I enjoy my time there. Your behavior commonplace with people who work blue collar jobs. They always seem so angry with college educated people, it's honestly not a big deal.
You should enjoy working, it's what you spend a large portion of your life doing.
>mix them up randomly
lel mix them up randomly. The problem is being able to generate random shit and you want to generate random shit by pulling a random permutation of data out of your ass.
Would marry, have chillen and build a house with.
The implementation of how sci-hub uses those keys to retrieve articles is probably hidden from the front end of the website.
It's only a matter of time before the journals start using stenography and compartmentalization like the MPAA did with leaked movies
Why can't these people gracefully accept irrelevance as the world moves forward?
When you're empty inside, you use things like gender politics to temporarily fill you up. You read so much about it and get so engrossed, you forget that most people don't give a shit and that it's not relevant to every conversation ever.
Shit like this makes me happy the internet still exists despite the way normalfags use it today. Now I want to see a site like this that compiles college textbo—
>they have some of my textbooks
Well shit, doing god's work Russia. Anything to make these fucking kike publishers squirm. There's not many publishers I hate more than these sleezy motherfuckers who print college textbooks on looseleaf and charge 20 bucks less than the bound hardcover. Let them burn in their "losses".
I seriously doubt you have physical space for at least 50 terabytes worth of scientific literature at your disposal.
Can anyone recommend a good encrypted cloud-server based outside the U.S. that's cheap on the monthly?
Cheapest HDD you can get in the TB range, which is a 6TB HDD off of Amazon is around $250, so if you were to 9 of those HDD, along with an NAS + plus the actual configuration to be able to use those drives, that would cost you at least $3k. But, the burden of proof is on you.
>48 TB of storage
>seagate hard drives
lmao the goalposts, they're flying to outer space. Of course it's only possible to store 50TB on enterprise approved server hardware with enterprise approved HDDs with quadruple redundancy and off-site triple backup, yeah, no other way about it.
>spend months downloading terabytes of shit
>having no redundancy or backups whatsoever and using hard drives from a company that's currently being sued because of how often their hard drives fail
>hard drive fails and you have to download terabytes of shit over again
>hard drive fails and you have to download terabytes of shit over again
don't worry, I'm not american so I don't have 10GB caps. It would barely take 5 days to redownload the data of a failed HDD on a normal speed (100Mbps) connection. Not american, again.
This isn't irreplaceable data, it's been backed up by JSTOR or who the fuck ever. Also, it would be far more intelligent to make a freenet-style distributed network where everyone "donates" a couple gigs instead of centralizing everything again. Makes access for different people much faster as well.
it would take 46 days on a 100mbit connection to download 50tb.
even if one drive fails it won't be much of a problem if you don't save everything as one file on one partition. and drives usually only fail if you use them a lot, writing to them once shouldn't be a problem. I'm not that guy though.
It doesn't matter if you have a 100 Mb connection, you're downloading all the shit from the same place and they're not going to be sending the shit to you at 100 Mb. As mentioned earlier in the thread there is no torrent yet.
No they don't you fucking inbred corp shill. Fuck you fuck you fuck you. I have had research grants from my gov and i was repeated reminded that it was funded from tac payer's money. All of the equipments I bought using the grant remains the property of my gov but parked at my public uni. The gov, through my uni holds any patents that I produce, but I get my share of the pie. No where is the grant money is mine to do as I wish. To buy anything with the grant, I have to get 3 quotations and submit to the Bursar for approval. Every quarterly, I have to present progress report to the funding ministry who can withold or terminate the grant at any time. Fuck of corp shill.
I know the difference between a megabyte and a megabit. Your great bandwidth isn't going to change how you're likely only going to be downloading that shit at 1-2 MB/s or 8-16 Mb/s because you're downloading it from one place as there are no torrents available.
Whoa. It's cool brahs. I'll start archiving shit for teh future.
It uses Google Scholar for the searches, but if you go to those pages from Google Scholar you need a subscription to actually view the journals while this gets you past the pay wall.
I'm a bit late to the party but wouldn't anyone who needs access to these papers have them through their school anyways? Unless this is just for the purpose of free knowledge, in which case I'm all for it
Additionally, it's not like those articles are out of reach for the general public. You have to publish in these journals to get any recognition in academia, but if you email the actual researcher(s) that authored the paper they'll usually just send you it themselves. They want people to read it.
>Researcher illegally shares millions of science papers free online to spread knowledge
ughhh.. is /g/ just finding out about sci hub now? ive known about it for years. its actually easier to use sci hub than to use my university library system to get journals so i use it a lot lel
how is that possible? i've only attended two universities but in both cases the VPN setup was trivially easy to set up, and when you're on campus networks (which is virtually always) you don't even have to bother with that shit.
how bad are you at google scholar that you need to go off-system?
Seriously that this women has brass ovaries and her view is saddening by how blatant and obvious it should be.
As a person who is going into STEM, this is seriously cutting into any belief I had that corporations didn't hoard their knowledge of science from the public like dragons to villagers, goading anyone to provoke them.
>I'm not american so I don't have 10GB caps.
That's a cellular plan, not a real internet connection.
Even at 100mbps (mine is faster btw, in US) it's still going to take forever. That is assuming someone else has it for you to download (also has the upload bandwidth to match your down).
>why the fuck did people stop using tape as primary storage
Maybe because search times are fucking atrocious on tapes compared to HDDs and SSDs. Tapes are perfect for long term storage and backups but not for daily use.
>oh noe all the good articles are paid
Do you have emails? Why not sending one to the guys who wrote the article? I have sent countless requests to the authors, and not once was i rejected. They want to share their work to everybody, you just need to ask. And they respond in a matter of hours, even in preposterous times of day and night.
Sci hub is amazing if you don't have the time to wait for a response, but trust me, scientist LOVE to share their work. That's why they do science.
>6.4GiB for the first link
>more than a thousand links
I would love to have that much storage. I'd archive libgen in an instant.
What's the deal with the filenames though? Do I need to download their database? I have no idea what I'm typing.
I don't think that's accurate.
My understanding is that academics don't get paid for the peer review they do for these journals or for papers published in them, but the journals are making large sums of money because academics have to have access to them and that's part of why they're so buttblasted about the whole thing.