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http://sci-hub.io/

A researcher in Russia has made more than 48 million journal articles - almost every single peer-reviewed paper every published - freely available online. And she's now refusing to shut the site down, despite a court injunction and a lawsuit from Elsevier, one of the world's biggest publishers.
For those of you who aren't already using it, the site in question is Sci-Hub, and it's sort of like a Pirate Bay of the science world. It was established in 2011 by neuroscientist Alexandra Elbakyan, who was frustrated that she couldn't afford to access the articles needed for her research, and it's since gone viral, with hundreds of thousands of papers being downloaded daily. But at the end of last year, the site was ordered to be taken down by a New York district court - a ruling that Elbakyan has decided to fight, triggering a debate over who really owns science.
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>>52953679
Can post more details if anyone is interested.

Any gentoomen know how to set up an archive/server of all available files so we can p2p share them before it's taken down?
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Pretty awesome. Paywalls on journals kinda sucks. Sometimes you can get some through the uni ... Sometimes
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Fucking commies.
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>>52953714
Is there a download for all the files or at least a list of them?
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>>52953679
How do you use this site? The search returns google search results optimized for finding academic articles, but where's the download link / torrent? What am I missing?
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>>52953748
4 + 4 chan /pol/ res/4958276.html

has a thread with details on it. there's no centralized repo so we can't mass download or torrent it yet. people are trying to work a way so that people can download different sections then torrent them independently. That's why I've got to /g/, to ask for you help in finding a solution

>>52953781
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>>52953748
>>52953781
>>52953799
"The site works in two stages. First of all when you search for a paper, Sci-Hub tries to immediately download it from fellow pirate database LibGen. If that doesn't work, Sci-Hub is able to bypass journal paywalls thanks to a range of access keys that have been donated by anonymous academics (thank you, science spies).
This means that Sci-Hub can instantly access any paper published by the big guys, including JSTOR, Springer, Sage, and Elsevier, and deliver it to you for free within seconds. The site then automatically sends a copy of that paper to LibGen, to help share the love.
Last year, a New York court delivered an injunction against Sci-Hub, making its domain unavailable (something Elbakyan dodged by switching to a new location), and the site is also being sued by Elsevier for "irreparable harm" - a case that experts are predicting will win Elsevier around $750 to $150,000 for each pirated article. Even at the lowest estimations, that would quickly add up to millions in damages."

Maybe that will help
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>>52953799
>>52953812
Thanks, Anon. I'll check it out on (2*4)chan too.
Super-useful project.
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>>52953873
any time m8, weve gotta make sure we dont let this one die.

that said im going to bed, more research tomorrow
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Site is still up now and I use it dozens of times a day. Everyone does. It's literally the home page to most of my science buddies.

Fuck Elsevier.
Fuck Wiley.
Fuck Springerlink.
Fuck JSTOR.
Fuck Elsevier.
Fuck Elsevier.
Fuck Elsevier.
Fuck Elsevier.
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>>52953812
>The site then automatically sends a copy of that paper to LibGen, to help share the love.
Wow. Thanks! I thought Libgen was taken down. I guess not. Thanks so much!
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>>52953679

any idea what this Alexandra Elbakyan looks like ?
she may be the new /g/ mascot if qt enough
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RIP Aaron Swartz.
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>>52953679
>2016
>people downloading illegal science
it's a shame really
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>>52954150
cant find the original of her
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Why is she bothering to fight a US court judgement? It's not like they have any power in Russia.
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>>52954278
Yeah, this is what i'm wondering, if I was in russia, i wouldn't give a shit what some us court says.
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>>52954278
>>52954292
The US can get Russia to cooperate and hand her over to the US if they have to
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>>52953679
Im my university there are official posters encoraging people to share their articles using CC licenses and to be careful about the posible abuse from scientific publishers
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>>52954311
Just like Snowden
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>>52953679
10/10 human being.
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>>52954319
I said can. It depends on if Russia thinks she's worth trading over or not.
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>>52954339
As long as they're sanctioned up the hilt i don't see anything happening
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>>52953679
Good
Paywalls on research papers are cancer.
How the fuck can I do proper research if all the good non-wikipedia tier information is in 500 dollar textbooks I don't own/aren't in the school library or behind 29.99 dollar each journal papers?
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>>52954211
YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A TEST TUBE
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>>52954339
This. Protecting Snowden doesn't mean Russia would protect their own whistleblowers and it doesn't mean that they'll protect anyone who fled from USA or has a beef with them.

Russia gives a ton of shit about copyright laws, so both countries have a common interest in shutting this down.
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>>52953679
Based Russia, the real leaders of the free world.
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>>52953799
>>52953873
>>52953901
Why can't we say 2(4)chan anymore? Is it because GamerGate?
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>>52954467
You can say 8ch
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>>52954415
>Russia gives a ton of shit about copyright laws
Because they produce so much IP
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>>52954467
Probably, most of the time nothing useful comes from those twats anyway. If they hadn't shilled their cringe club they'd be fine.
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Fuck yes.

Knowledge belongs to noone.
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>>52954506
I'm certain Russia is getting some sort of benefit for protecting foreign copyright
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>>52954311
Russia will not extradite a Russian citizen. That's pretty much in every country's constitution.
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I'm happy something like this exists. Sending a donation later...
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>>52954311
>any country but the most acclaimed cuckolds of the US gov
>extraditing it's own citizen to US

I just checked my country's contitution.
It's forbidden to extradite a fellow citizen if the crime he committed (or is suspected of commiting) was without the use of physical violence.
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>>52953679
He's the best.
Coming from a typesetting service company, publishers like Elsevier are greedy fruits and a pain in the alps to deal with.
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>mfw just used it
>it fucking works
I'm golden.
Gotta show it to everyone
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Knowledge is now illegal.
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friendly reminder that people who use botnet 10 should not have any illegal science on their computer
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>>52954959
>windows users
>science
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>>52954912
Next on: Thoughts.
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>>52953679
>Elsevier, one of the world's biggest publishers.
They're also one of the biggest trolls in the industry, to the point that many academics are refusing to use them anymore. They've actually taken stuff with CC-NC licenses charged money for it and then filed copyright suits against others who published it.
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>>52953679
>paywall on science
Release it all. Fuck the jews.
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>>52954959
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>>52954959
>mfw I have hundreds of GB worth of academic books and papers
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>>52954365
>As long as they're sanctioned up the hilt i don't see anything happening
Oh you sweet summer child you still think thats how foreign policy works.
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>>52953679
We've been through that before and it resulted in suicide.
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>>52953679
I am trying to grasp everything. Where will I be able to ask certain people for journals I missed if site goes down?
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>>52953679
why do research papers cost money in the first place?
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>>52955384
Because research isn't free?
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>>52955402
>why isn't research free?
>because research isn't free

thanks
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>>52955402
Most of the research is done with public money, the knowledge should then be public.
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>>52955402
>Because research isn't free?

Isn't research paid for by grants?
How much income do researchers get from publishing papers?
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given the DOI syntax

https://www.doi.org/doi_handbook/2_Numbering.html

couldn't we create a script to check every DOI in a range? So it would ask the website to pull the article from the publisher's site, download and then move on to the next one.

Since this would take too much time, we could separate this in thousands of machines.
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>>52953679

>http://sci-hub.io

Pretty cool to be honest.
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i suggest we nto only make a torrent of it but also make a mirror of the database in ZeroNet—thus making an unshutdownable website where every visitor automatically becomes a host
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>>52955455
But we can't let those other terrorist governments get our research, can we now?
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>>52955528
now we're getting somewhere
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A solidarity message for Libgen and Sci-Hub: http://custodians.online/
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>>52953714
>>52953679
Dude are you living under a rock?
This exist or existed in different forms for years
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>>52955533
Of course not. They need to pay first.
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>>52953679
Absolutely Based
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CYKA BLJEETTTTTTTTTT
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>>52955474
>How much income do researchers get from publishing papers?

None. In most journals, the researcher pays to publish.
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Reminder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsQiLjdsIWY

The best part is the questions.
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>>52955947
This is pretty cool, thanks lad.
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>>52955908
>None. In most journals, the researcher pays to publish.

Fuck the journals then.
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>>52956111
No publishing in journals = no job.
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Holy shit this lady is based

Thanks Russian science lady
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>>52956111
It's a vicious cycle though. To advance your career as a scientist, you have to publish in respected journals.
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>>52955947
jesus christ that voice is unbearable
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Damn, if Russia had decent food and wasn't so cold, it might be worth moving.
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>>52956203
>I dont want to know how to gain knowledge because that voice dayyyym
found the underage
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>>52956140
Pirating journals doesn't hurt researchers so it's fine.
>have to pay to publish
>have to pay to download
>peer reviews are done by other fucking researchers for free
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>>52956297
Yeah, it's a pretty fucked up system. Most of them just want to do science, so they don't really have a choice. A lot of them will send you their papers if you ask them.
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That's pretty based.
I would love to archive something like libgen archived, but I don't have a spare 10TB at the moment. Also, not having the names on the torrents really kills it for me.
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>>52955384
All those science majors have to pay their student debts
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>>52956459
the money does not go to the person writing the paper tho
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how did he even get all these papers
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>>52956520
>he
die cis scum
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>>52953679
Reminder that the last time someone tried this, the feds slapped them with a 36 year sentence.

This lady has some serious balls for doing this.

FUCK THE PUBLISHERS.
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>>52953812
>Sci-Hub is able to bypass journal paywalls thanks to a range of access keys that have been donated by anonymous academics
I wonder how those users didn't get banned.
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>>52955402
>funded by tax money
>run by a public institution
>costs almost nothing to host and disseminate
>virtually useless to normies withouth proper education
>instrumental in furthering scientific progress
Yes you're right, this should be locked behind paywalls.

Fucking go back to your consumer device threads.
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>>52955402
It's funded by taxpayers but private publishers reap almost all of the profits.

The schools are literally funneling money and manpower to create "products" for corporations to sell online. It's fucking perverse.
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>>52956542

She's from Kazakhstan, I think she'll be aiight. She's prolly laughing at the thought of the US government actually being able to imprison her for anything much less a court here being able to award anyone damages.
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>>52953679
bet the jus hate her
poor jus
always getting shafted
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>>52955475
I think it should be random so the journals won't detect that someone is downloading every paper in order.
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>>52956687
Yeah, I'm thinking their system can get away with using the private keys of actual researchers because it cycles through hundreds, if not thousands on them. Attempting to actually download everything wholesale may compromise them, doing more harm than good in the long run.
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>>52956637
>I think she'll be aiight
fucking hell anon, what the fuck do you think you're doing trying to anger the meme gods?

>inb4 she dies
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>>52956553
They can always claim the keys have been stolen.
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Fucking nice, god bless him.
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>>52956739
>>52956729
I'm just saying that it should be done randomly. Is there something like a pseudo-random number generator that doesn't repeat? Or we could just generate all DOIs, store them in RAM, and mix them up randomly.
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>>52956795
we should firstly get a mirror of LibGen, then use sci-hub to get missing ones
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Everything should be free
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>>52953781
When you have the paper you want just paste the link into the site and it'll show you the full PDF.
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what kind of research is it that everyone makes such a big fuss about it?
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>>52956872
....literally all of it.
Did you even read the article?
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>>52956889
no.
but where is the problem here? its not like state secrets or something
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>>52956905
>its not like state secrets
It might as well be with how much money the journals throw at politicians to stop it.
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>>52956905
The sooner the publishing industry dies the better.
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>>52956905

You're 100% correct. I work as a researcher at a university and I agree that our papers should be public knowledge. Someone mentioned it before, but did you know that we have to pay to publish? It's bullshit, and many other people agree. Luckily, there is an open-access journal called PLoS One, and it's been gaining a lot of traction among researchers from all over because of it's open policy. I just wish there were more open access journals for high quality papers, like an open access 'Nature' or 'Science'.
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Is there a torrent available?
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>>52957007
yes
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>>52956626
That sounds familiar....

>pay poverty-tier wages
>government issues food stamps to employees
>said employees use food stamps to buy stuff from Wal-Mart
>government reimburses Wal-Mart
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>>52956830
I thought the idea was to mirror articles to libgen, since sci-hub automatically mirrors every paper you search for to libgen. Mirroring libgen would be hard because most of us don't have 30TB of free space.
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>>52957030
Where?
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There isn't a single SJW who has even heard of this woman.
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>>52957061
here is link,,,sir
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>>52957063
Because she's a fucking cishet. If she had a dick and was transitioning then they'd care.
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>>52957116
or a nigger
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>>52957055
this is where
>>52955528
zeronet comes in:

everyone mirrors a bit (ie relevant articles to themself or jut random stuff) and togehter we mirror all of it. i am ready to dedicate a 4TB drive to this, i already mirror gigs upon gigs of books and infographics
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thats a man in a wig /g/ents. fooled again it seems
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>>52957063
what does that have to do with anything?
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>>52954707
They'll just pull some Assangesque sexual violence charges from their ass then.
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>>52957806
ON fucking who?
A female that never was in the United States?
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Knowledge should be free to anyone who's interested.

Here's the problem though: Peer review costs money because some scientists/post docs have to do it.

If we don't have peer review, we get arxiv. Which is nice to spread ideas but can't be trusted.

How do we fix this dilemma?
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>>52957898
>Peer review costs money because some scientists/post docs have to do it.
Scientists/post docs you've mentioned usually have to pay to get their paper published.
All the money goes to the publisher
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>>52957898
>Peer review costs money
no it does not
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>>52957962
>>52957970
so they do it for free? If that's the case, proceed.
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>>52957898
>Peer review costs money because some scientists/post docs have to do it

Nope. The whole peer review process needs a serious overhaul as well.
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>>52957898
>Peer review costs money because some scientists/post docs have to do it.
Gee, I wonder who pays scientists/postdocs to do their jobs...
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>>52958036
Big Publishers apparently.
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>>52958036
they get paid by the university to peer review papers by private publishers?
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>>52953812
>a case that experts are predicting will win Elsevier around $750 to $150,000 for each pirated article. Even at the lowest estimations, that would quickly add up to millions in damages."
kek, they don't seriously expect to see any of that money? That adds up to between $36 billion and $7.2+ trillion (2x the US's yearly federal budget) in damages. I think that's probably a record for monetary damage caused by a single person acting alone.
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>>52958578
>making money off of taxpayer-funded research
>m-muh damages!
Jesus fucking christ I'm so mad. Fuck these corporations.
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>>52953679
She'll be fine.
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>>52954150
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>>52958578
>$7.2+ trillion (2x the US's yearly federal budget) in damages
Fucking Christ, thats 12% of the current world GDP.
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>state-funded researchers submit papers to scientific journals
>state-funded researchers review said papers for scientific journals
>state-funded libraries pay tons of money to gain access to these scientific journals

Is this the biggest scam ever?
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>>52958685
Intellectual property AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If (WHEN) she ever gets actually prosecuted I'd donate towards her legal fees. Publishers are nothing but patent trolls, except larger.
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>>52958036
simcity 4 best simcity.
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>>52958732

If you or anyone else hasn't seen the documentary already, it goes deep into Aaron's legal battle with a journal-hogging faggot corporation and their pet prosecutor.

I try to cram it down my normie friends' whenever I can, because they're all so fucking oblivious when it comes to corporate tyranny around "intellectual properties." It's worth the watch for the rage factor alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vz06QO3UkQ
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>>52958666
hail satan

>>52958733
word. IC, patents, copyrights, trademarks etc etc all need to die. also money. fuck money, source of evil etc.
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>>52958578
>new report: USA going to war with Russia to try to reclaim trillions in damages
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>>52953679
> A researcher in Russia
> the site was ordered to be taken down by a New York district court
Pffft. She'll be fine. Unless some CIA guys kidnap her, of course.
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>>52958798
would recommend, it didn't cover reddit as much as i thought it would. his involvement with reddit was a two-minute sidenote at most.
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>>52956795
>Is there something like a pseudo-random number generator that doesn't repeat?
you mean... a random number generator?
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>>52958666

Hero.
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>>52958918
there is no random
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>>52954379

I swear that 'murica would charge for fucking fresh air if they could monetize it.
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>>52959023
Why you go into gas stations they already advertise on their doors they have it for free, they're prepping for others to start charging
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>>52953679
Nice Streisand Effect.
Bookmarked for future reference. Thanks anon.
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>>52958918
They do repeat.
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>>52955475
Adding to what I said earlier,

We can also host these files pretty easily. If you get a chinese botnet cloud account (baidu or the others I forgot), you can get 2 TB for free.

Assuming an average of 1 MB per article, we would need 48 TB to store it all.

Develop an app (android and ios) that accesses sci-hub, and stores the copy in a pre-determined baidu cloud.

So, there. We would have another government who gives no shits about copyright, AND is massive on article production.
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This can only be seen as a good thing. We live in 2016, not 1416, and there are absolutely no valid reasons for gating and charging for scientific information. Access should be ubiquitous and free; with the population as large as it is today, the chances that someone out there can make use of said information that benefits humankind as a whole is greater than it's ever been. We can't afford to stifle that.
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>>52957823
Pretty sure she triggered Anita Sarkeesian once.
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>>52959156
fuck off to /v/eddit
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>>52958621
Fuck these researchers too. As you said, all of their little research is done with taxpayer money, they should be giving away these articles for free to begin with. All researchers are shit heads that don't want to get a real job so they go to college to get into "academia" or "research." Anytime someone tells me they want to go into research or academia I want to kill them. They say it was such pride and arrogance, while I'm making $200k a year with no degree as a programmer.
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>>52959105
let's call it Scinet while we're at it.
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>>52953679
So I take it this includes medical journals then?
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>>52959203

Money isn't everything, some people go into fields because they enjoy working in the profession.
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>>52956572
>all research is public
>there's no such thing as private research

Are you retarded?
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>>52959217
Oh god, fuck, the works of Martin Fackler.
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>>52959203
>taxpayer money
some research is funded by secret government programs.

some research is funded by private trusts.

some research is funded by private corporations.

it's entirely owned by those entities, and not subject to public disclosure laws.


think of it this way, you discover a new porn you like fapping to. my little pony, for instance. you may not be the first to discover that you're turned on by /mlp/, but you like it. is it your duty to tell everyone in the world that you are turned on by /mlp?
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>>52959292
>implying any corporate entities would keep their research behind paywall
They have every reason to make them freely accessible if only for prestige. It's oftentimes the implementation of the theory that's proprietary and closely guarded (binary blob, etc). Almost all the research Microsoft has done is a good example.

What we're discussing here is the fact that a vast majority of publicly funded research journals being locked behind private paywalls, when they should be available freely. If private research wants to lock theirs behind paywalls, that's fine. The same shouldn't be applied to stuff out of public institutions.
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>>52959467
thats an argument a NEET would make if i've ever seen one
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>>52959490
>I've never had to deal with the insane pricing model of "public" journals: the post

Come back when you've actually graduated from university.
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>>52959467
aren't all relevant universities in the US privately run though? Do community colleges produce anything of value?
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>>52958829
>New York district court
Exactly.
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>>52959518

Not him, but public institutions have no obligation to give out their research. I wish all research would be open access, but to say they should be required to be is ridiculous. Tax money goes to the government, which then goes to the researchers. The money is then property of the researchers, that's how grants work.
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>>52959289
>Money isn't everything, some people go into fields because they enjoy working in the profession.
That's what say when I bring up when I make more than without a degree as a defense mechanism. They wasted time and money going to college/university, and I didn't, yet I make more money than most college educated people, and it just infuriates them. So they can keep their feeling of superiority, they pull out the "money isn't everything" and "I enjoy my profession" card.
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>>52959454
You're a complete fucking idiot, you know that? All of the research whose owners dont want it to get out simply doesn't get published, much less with Elsevier which is the most accessed one. If it gets published in a journal then it's public, it's only hidden there if you don't want/can't pay the publisher the cash for him to unblock the access for you. You actually made me mad with your dumb bait, 10/10.
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Isn't this what they killed Aaron Swartz over?
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>>52959518

This.
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>>52959542
What are Federally funded research grants, for a thousand, Alex?
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>>52959575

I have a degree, and I don't care that you make more money than me. That's good for you, but I look forward to going to work, and I enjoy my time there. Your behavior commonplace with people who work blue collar jobs. They always seem so angry with college educated people, it's honestly not a big deal.

You should enjoy working, it's what you spend a large portion of your life doing.
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>>52959584
Yes. See >>52958798
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>>52959607
what's the percentage of published papers which have been funded by federal grants, then?
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>>52953679
>Elsevier
T O P K E K
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>>52956795
>mix them up randomly
lel mix them up randomly. The problem is being able to generate random shit and you want to generate random shit by pulling a random permutation of data out of your ass.
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All CS papers are available for everyone to read in PDF format on the author's personal webpage. Why can't other fields get it together?
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>>52958666
she's qt as hell, a real human bean.
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>>52960149

Would marry, have chillen and build a house with.
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>>52956553
The implementation of how sci-hub uses those keys to retrieve articles is probably hidden from the front end of the website.

It's only a matter of time before the journals start using stenography and compartmentalization like the MPAA did with leaked movies
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>>52959542
>college student
>horrendous debts to cover tuition costs which finance research
>can't access the results without being charged out of the ass
Brilliant.
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>>52954313
That's great!
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>>52960419
why do you have to pay for education in the first place?
In germany thats a human right.
I pay for my university tuitution 240€/year.
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>>52954313
make sure to thank the responsible people for that.
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>>52960352
Yer this bothers me. They give out too many clues. Only shooting themselves in the foot.
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Why can't these people gracefully accept irrelevance as the world moves forward?
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>>52954530
Aren't these papers often the results of publicly funded research anyway? Who do these cunts think they are?
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why?

I want to download them all /g/
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>>52957392
When you're empty inside, you use things like gender politics to temporarily fill you up. You read so much about it and get so engrossed, you forget that most people don't give a shit and that it's not relevant to every conversation ever.
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who /datahoarder/ here? where can i download all of them?
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>>52960521
works for me

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>>52953679
Shit like this makes me happy the internet still exists despite the way normalfags use it today. Now I want to see a site like this that compiles college textbo—
>they have some of my textbooks

Well shit, doing god's work Russia. Anything to make these fucking kike publishers squirm. There's not many publishers I hate more than these sleezy motherfuckers who print college textbooks on looseleaf and charge 20 bucks less than the bound hardcover. Let them burn in their "losses".
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>>52960499
because you pay for it trough taxes (americans pay even more taxes than most europeans but they somehow believe they live in liberal paradise and 40k dollars/year is fair price)
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>>52960579
>puts effort into writing an nonsense reply

you must have a terrible life
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>>52960552
I seriously doubt you have physical space for at least 50 terabytes worth of scientific literature at your disposal.

Can anyone recommend a good encrypted cloud-server based outside the U.S. that's cheap on the monthly?
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>>52960984
>seriously doubt
>50 terabytes

implying that's a lot nowadays.
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>>52961018
>implying
Please show me where you can get an external HDD with 50 TB that isn't a server rack that's upwards to $5k.

Please go back to your smartphone containment thread.
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>>52961054
are you fucking retarded? That's 12 4TB HDDs which don't even cost $1,5k, that's nothing.

>server rack
>blah blah blah
>containment

yeah, fuck off.
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>>52961091
>1.5k dollars worth of hard drives
>implying you also don't need extra shit to connect all those drives
>implying you're going to run 12 fucking 4 TB drives without any backups
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>>52961091
Cheapest HDD you can get in the TB range, which is a 6TB HDD off of Amazon is around $250, so if you were to 9 of those HDD, along with an NAS + plus the actual configuration to be able to use those drives, that would cost you at least $3k. But, the burden of proof is on you.
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>>52961123
just go back browsing facebook on your macbook pro

>>52961146
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-SATA-3-5-Inch-Desktop-ST4000DM000/dp/B00B99JU4S
12*114 = 1368

>NAS
lmao
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>>52959652
Who knows? That's kind of an issue too,don't you think? I mean, as a taxpayer, why is it so difficult to know where our money goes?
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>>52961178
>SATA 4GB HDD
>just lay them down flat and through the synergy in our gravitational pull they'll be able to /datahoard/ all teh interwebz 4 me

LOL! 10/10
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>>52961178
>48 TB of storage
>no RAID
>no backups
>seagate hard drives
>final destination
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>>52960518
>not caring if future generations tells us to fuck ourself due to not saving everything
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>>52961213
>>52961220
lmao the goalposts, they're flying to outer space. Of course it's only possible to store 50TB on enterprise approved server hardware with enterprise approved HDDs with quadruple redundancy and off-site triple backup, yeah, no other way about it.
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>>52961340
>spend months downloading terabytes of shit
>having no redundancy or backups whatsoever and using hard drives from a company that's currently being sued because of how often their hard drives fail
>hard drive fails and you have to download terabytes of shit over again
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>>52961529
>downloading few terabytes is a problem
Have you considered not living in a third world country?
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>>52961529
>hard drive fails and you have to download terabytes of shit over again
don't worry, I'm not american so I don't have 10GB caps. It would barely take 5 days to redownload the data of a failed HDD on a normal speed (100Mbps) connection. Not american, again.

This isn't irreplaceable data, it's been backed up by JSTOR or who the fuck ever. Also, it would be far more intelligent to make a freenet-style distributed network where everyone "donates" a couple gigs instead of centralizing everything again. Makes access for different people much faster as well.
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>>52961529
it would take 46 days on a 100mbit connection to download 50tb.
even if one drive fails it won't be much of a problem if you don't save everything as one file on one partition. and drives usually only fail if you use them a lot, writing to them once shouldn't be a problem. I'm not that guy though.
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>>52961667
4,6 days actually, kinda messed that up.
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>>52961660
>>52961667
It doesn't matter if you have a 100 Mb connection, you're downloading all the shit from the same place and they're not going to be sending the shit to you at 100 Mb. As mentioned earlier in the thread there is no torrent yet.
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>>52961809
100MB/s=!100mbps
it's 12.5 MB/s
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How does it work? Do i just paste the url to the journal's article than I'm looking for?

Is there no way to just look for the article with the title / author?
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>>52959564
No they don't you fucking inbred corp shill. Fuck you fuck you fuck you. I have had research grants from my gov and i was repeated reminded that it was funded from tac payer's money. All of the equipments I bought using the grant remains the property of my gov but parked at my public uni. The gov, through my uni holds any patents that I produce, but I get my share of the pie. No where is the grant money is mine to do as I wish. To buy anything with the grant, I have to get 3 quotations and submit to the Bursar for approval. Every quarterly, I have to present progress report to the funding ministry who can withold or terminate the grant at any time. Fuck of corp shill.
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>>52958666
all hail santana the one who found our equine
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>>52954211
>You wouldn't download an physics
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>>52961849
I know the difference between a megabyte and a megabit. Your great bandwidth isn't going to change how you're likely only going to be downloading that shit at 1-2 MB/s or 8-16 Mb/s because you're downloading it from one place as there are no torrents available.
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>>52953679
Gives me a Johnny Mnemoinic feel
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>>52953679
is this p2p? Can i host / seed these files from NL without any worries about legal issues ?
How much space am i going to need to dedicate to host it all?
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Is this comunism
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>>52962270

Its capitalism, technically we payed the lowest price for goods(ie electricity, storage and the internet to download it).
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>>52960685
>americans pay even more taxes than most europeans
Wut. Europoors usually have higher tax rates
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>>52962360

you're responding to an obvious troll
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>>52962089

Whoa. It's cool brahs. I'll start archiving shit for teh future.
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You can't fucking suppress knowledge in the 21st century, she may be a commie but good on her for giving these scum the middle finger
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uh, is it just me, or does this look like a russian wrapper of google scholar?
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>>52963208
It uses Google Scholar for the searches, but if you go to those pages from Google Scholar you need a subscription to actually view the journals while this gets you past the pay wall.
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>>52962452
still more reliable than MLC NAND
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>>52959203
>200k
>programmer bux

Nice b8/8
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ITT thieving and stealing
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Coincidence?
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>>52959203
>programmer
That's the problem. A lot professions require a bit more than high school level math and a get by knowledge of computers. Try a PhD in electrical engineering.
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>>52965173
Your right. Publishers stealing money from scientists and students by charging them to access state-funded research is thieving.
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I'm a bit late to the party but wouldn't anyone who needs access to these papers have them through their school anyways? Unless this is just for the purpose of free knowledge, in which case I'm all for it
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>>52954313
You can't be in burgerland...
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Private tracker time anyone?
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>>52965173

>illegal knowledge
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>>52953679
Back up as much as you can /g/tards
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>>52965993
Pretty much

Additionally, it's not like those articles are out of reach for the general public. You have to publish in these journals to get any recognition in academia, but if you email the actual researcher(s) that authored the paper they'll usually just send you it themselves. They want people to read it.
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>>52955402
Depend if it has tax dollars behind the research it should be avalible to tax payers
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>>52966368
/thread
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>>52953679
>Researcher illegally shares millions of science papers free online to spread knowledge

ughhh.. is /g/ just finding out about sci hub now? ive known about it for years. its actually easier to use sci hub than to use my university library system to get journals so i use it a lot lel
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>>52966730
how is that possible? i've only attended two universities but in both cases the VPN setup was trivially easy to set up, and when you're on campus networks (which is virtually always) you don't even have to bother with that shit.

how bad are you at google scholar that you need to go off-system?
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>>52954403
What's that, I can't hear you over all this titration from my downloaded test tube
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>>52960258
10/10 would crush with my ginormous Allies' dick
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Seriously that this women has brass ovaries and her view is saddening by how blatant and obvious it should be.

As a person who is going into STEM, this is seriously cutting into any belief I had that corporations didn't hoard their knowledge of science from the public like dragons to villagers, goading anyone to provoke them.
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>>52953679
Why are you talking about this on this honeypot? Thanks to you NSA will fuck them up. Fucking kids...
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As someone who knows little about academia or scientific journals but has an interest, what should I look up?
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>>52960984
less than 10k with redundancy, that's a sacrifice I could make for all the research in the world...
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>>52961633
Have you realized most of the world doesn't have gigabit internet?
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>>52961660
>I'm not american so I don't have 10GB caps.
That's a cellular plan, not a real internet connection.
Even at 100mbps (mine is faster btw, in US) it's still going to take forever. That is assuming someone else has it for you to download (also has the upload bandwidth to match your down).
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>>52963671
Which is still more reliable than hard disks.

Why the fuck did people stop using tape as primary storage, your HDDs and SSDs will never match it in longevity.
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I have a 360 terabyte bot server currently caching multiple sites and boards. I may begin caching this too.
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>>52972380
>why the fuck did people stop using tape as primary storage
Maybe because search times are fucking atrocious on tapes compared to HDDs and SSDs. Tapes are perfect for long term storage and backups but not for daily use.
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>>52972548
The point is miles in the other direction.
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what can i download from here
the search function is down
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>>52972380
>Which is still more reliable than hard disks.

thanks for giving a giggle m8
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>>52972646
Google is your friend. LTO6 is a thing and LTO7 is on the way.
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>>52972676
And more are planned:
>LTO-10 raw data capacity 48TB
>LTO tape is designed for 15 to 30 years of archival storage

Finally enough space to backup my animu for future generations!
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>>52972716
OH THATS HIS HEAD AND EAR WOW
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>>52955475
>separate this in thousands of machines

What like a virus? A /g/ botnet of science?

I'll make the logo
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>oh noe all the good articles are paid

Do you have emails? Why not sending one to the guys who wrote the article? I have sent countless requests to the authors, and not once was i rejected. They want to share their work to everybody, you just need to ask. And they respond in a matter of hours, even in preposterous times of day and night.

Sci hub is amazing if you don't have the time to wait for a response, but trust me, scientist LOVE to share their work. That's why they do science.
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>>52966315
>>52972900

This.
The stereotypical goal of a researcher is to get published but a totally unread article may as well be unpublished. The real goal is to be cited.
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http://libgen.io/repository_torrent/magnet-links.txt
Here you go, magnets for all books in libgen.
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>>52953679
Fucking commieshits, always wanting to get shit for free. We should nuke russia.
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>>52973198
>6.4GiB for the first link
>more than a thousand links
I would love to have that much storage. I'd archive libgen in an instant.
What's the deal with the filenames though? Do I need to download their database? I have no idea what I'm typing.
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>>52973442
Yes, filenames are md5's I think.
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>>52973198
magnets don't work on libgen, no one's seeding those books
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>>52958578

>Elsevier being this far removed from the real world.
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>>52955402
I don't think that's accurate.

My understanding is that academics don't get paid for the peer review they do for these journals or for papers published in them, but the journals are making large sums of money because academics have to have access to them and that's part of why they're so buttblasted about the whole thing.
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It feels good knowing a site like this exists. Thanks humans.
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>>52959023
Air 4 Sale
http://www.sciencealert.com/people-in-china-are-buying-cans-of-fresh-air-from-canada
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>>52965173
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