Why do CS majors have such delusions of grandeur?

>graph theory like A*
audibly kekked
thank you anon

>>52943581
>Why do CS majors have such delusions of grandeur?
Probably because, despite your memes, they make a decent amount of money

>>52943581
To me it always seemed like it was the CE majors with such delusions.

All that shit is covered in CS101

>>52943581
>tfw about to graduate with an 100k offer but the company's stock tanked in the last week
Fuck CS I might be out of a job already.

maybe this is what they meant when they said "I'm blue da ba dee da ba die"

>>52943768

So do plumbers and electricians

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>>52946064

Scathing retort

actually accurate

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>>52944774

good shit, g00d sh1t if I do say so my5elf

>>52946064
except cs graduates don't have to stick their hand down a pipe caked with shit

>>52943581
>delusions of grandeur
This happens only in shit universities.

In good universities for CS, the people who are towards the top of the class are the ones who are their for their interest in the field, who would be majoring in CS whether or not it would make them money in the future.

>>52946997
>>In good universities for CS

There are no good universities for CS

>the people who are towards the top of the class are the ones who are their for their interest in the field, who would be majoring in CS whether or not it would make them money in the future

These people rapidly develop a burning hatred of undergrad CS classes (and CS majors) and leave for the math and engineering departments so they can spend their class time actually learning material at a decent clip.

>>52946997
>>52947150
CS education is turning into shit in general because schools want to cash in on dumb kids who want to be 'programmers'

if you get a degree in computer science you're a fucking idiot, go software engineering if you want applicable skills

>>52946973
>>52946973

most of you are fags here so yes, yes they do

>>52947482
Accurate

>>52947482
>>except cs graduates don't have to stick their hand down a pipe caked with shit

>most of you are fags here so yes, yes they do

BRUTAL

>>52947465

SE is a class, not a major

>>52947690
"computer science" is an embarrassing academia jerkoff to try and prove to other subsets of mathematics that we're a real subject

when you graduate with a 4 year degree in CS, you've wasted your life

>>52947198
>is turning into shit

CS education turned into shit decades ago.

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>>52943581
>>52947150
>>52947198
>>52947465
>>52947718
>>52947761
CS dropouts and bedroom programmers detected.

>>52947877
im a SE major ;)

>>52947465
shit for real?? I just switched over from bio to comp sci cause I couldn't into chemistry maybe it's not to late to look into SE. I kinda hate my professors and TAs for class anyways and it's only the 3rd week

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>>52947877
>I found CS classes hard so they must be hard for everyone

Get over the fact that you're not a special snowflake already

>>52947482

Best post I've seen all day, and that includes the pictures from /s/.

>>52947992
>triggered dropout
CS isn't for everyone.

>>52947962
absolutely, assuming your SE program isn't a joke

it should require at the very least calculus 3, some form of linear algebra and diff eq on top of having regular computer science like data structures, digital logic, etc. With that core in mind, it will also have software engineering courses that focus on applicable skills, like understanding and building software requirements for a project, probably some project based course where you're expected to use semi modern tooling like git and some static analysis tools with some sort of semi agile setup, classes focused on unit testing / design, etc.

>>52948037
>He says the courses are easy
>Must be a drop out

Sure....

Anyone here doing medical school and programming on the side? I'd appreciate some guidance. I'm doing my thesis this year in a bioinformatics lab but how do I keep myself active in the bioinformatics field once I have to deal with medical school? Wait why the fuck am I asking /g/

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>>52947482
Rekt

>getting a B.S. in math and a B.S. in CS
>the only classes I struggle with are math ones
>CS I literally only need to study night before and get a better grade than most
Of course it's undergrad math so I haven't even touched troo mathematics, and there are people who do it with hardly any struggle.
Seriously though, reminds me of some math thread a few days ago and some dude mentioned he can explain how he got the closed function for sum(k=1 to n) of k^2 and some CS fag said "we all know how to do induction dude".
>creating closed functions
>induction
lmao

>>52943581
they actually get jobs because they have degrees and you don't

>>52948305
>>creating closed functions
>>induction
>lmao

Evaluation the first p+2 partial sums of ∑k^p
Solve the system of equations for the constant coefficients of the p+1 polynomial in n
Prove it by induction

It's the laziest way of doing it.

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>>52948542
>projecting I don't have a degree
>implying employers aren't starting to look at CS degrees like they look at engineering technology degrees

>>52948629
The cultivation of the function is a proof in of itself, which was the point
He thought you just pull random functions out the arse and check if it works out

>>52948305
>CS I literally only need to study night before and get a better grade than most

I can't imagine what kind of garbage CS program you must have been in. I had to study intensively most of the semester to get >80 grades, and then revise hard before the exam

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>>52948696
>I had to study intensively most of the semester to get >80 grades, and then revise hard before the exam

I am so sorry to hear that

Not in CS but

>delusions of grandeur
>making $100,000+ a year
>quality money

It's like everyone who shits on CS majors are just mad because they're making bank???

I'm at a college where they don't even teach CS because the professors are all at actual universities like CU Boulder, CSU, and the University of Mines (Colorado) because those students have to actually have to TRY to get in.

>>52948696
>I can't imagine what kind of garbage CS program you must have been in. I had to study intensively most of the semester to get >80 grades, and then revise hard before the exam
A decent one. It's probably more funded than the math and physics departments combined.
There are good professors who challenge you, but they obviously have more emphasis on the mathematical aspect and overdo workload.

>>52943581
>CS is impossible to self-study

Almost anything can be self-studied. I taught myself law so I could represent myself in a court case. I won.

>>52948885
P R O O F
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Why do you care so much about what other people's majors are?

>>52946064
>>52947482
>meme replies
Sure, whatever you want

>>52948885

There's much more to law than what's needed to win a single court case.

>>52946973
Yeah man, staring at a fucking monitor all day seems way more fun.

>>52948921

How would you feel if women studies majors claim to be more tech savy than DBAs?

>>52949264
I'll tell them "you go girl, you're so smart for being connected in the digital age" and watch while she fiddles with her iwatch, iphone, ipad and macbook.

>>52943609
A* is actually an algorithm that operates on directed graphs though. Whether or not a given heuristic produces a correct solution, and the performance in doing so, are both theorems of graph theory. How is it not graph theory?

>>52949264
How does that relate to >>52948921 ?

>>52949505
Autism

Also, many CS majors think they learn more math than engineeers or physics majors and this triggers the fuck out of /sci/fags.

>>52949818
I don't think many CS majors think that. Many seem to hate math

>>52943581
Better than being a prick like other guy. If ypu are interested in it and get paid well for it then why should anyone else give a shit?

>>52949493
That's like saying E&M is vector calculus

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>>52949860

The ones that lurk /sci/, for god knows why, do.

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>>52948743
CS is a fucking joke.

>>52949818
>>52949860
>>52949908
>>52949889
all this stuff totally depends on the engineering/cs programs in question.
theres plenty of shite cs programs or ones that just teach programming. im sure there are many neato cs programs too.

>caring about what someone went to school for

Holy shit you kids are young. There's no difference between a CS degree or an engineering degree or an English degree or a basket weaving degree. You know your shit and get the job you want or you don't. Saying "this major is better than that major!" is like saying the band you liked in elementary school is better than some other band someone else liked. "BACKSTREET BOYS IS BETTER THAN N'SYNC" is all I'm seeing.

ITT: idiots assuming shit about the major without ever taking a rigorous CS program at a top school

>>52949908
holy fuck

>>52949968
>There's no difference between a CS degree or an engineering degree or an English degree or a basket weaving degree

Thanks man, I'm going to use that line when I interview for investment banks and hedge funds.

>tfw comp sci major and math minor grad
>unemployed

Whelp....

>>52949996
Good luck even getting an interview with a degree.

>>52949996
>getting any of those jobs without nepotism

hoo boy

>>52949975
what are some rigorous cs programs at a top school.
if you dont mention my school your list is wrong.

>>52950084
North Holbrook Community College and Plumbing Trade School

>>52943581
>tfw in my country 99% of cs/ce'ers are employed

>>52949975
CS is a joke at every school.

>>52950099
what place do you live, india or something? you should leave your country?

>>52943581
Because they want to believe, just like engineers and microbiologists. With globalization, medical technician fields and nursing are the only careers worth pursuing.

>>52950103
I take if you have been to all of them?

>>52950137
No. You don't need to go to all of them to know that it's a joke. Do you eat every pile of shit you see on the ground before saying that shit tastes like shit?

>>52950152
ur mom tastes like shit

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>>52949953
>im sure there are many neato cs programs too

Not since 1968. Current CS requirements at any well known university are a joke.

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>>52949968
>Treating university degrees like RPG items needed to trigger the employable flag

Literally the cancer killing academia

>>52943581
>ask CS student friend how's college
>he says pretty boring
>ask him what he's studying right now
>he says some weird named algorithm
>ask him what's the use of the algorithm, since I'm in a game dev school student (we learn about a lot of algorithms and theorems to detect collision and distance and stuff) so it might be useful to me
>"god knows man haha "

Come on CS people get your shit together

>>52950452

Most of them learn algorithms by memorization

>>52950516
Most of them?
Introduce me to the few who can derive quicksort solely from its name

>>52950541
>it's supposed to sort
>it's supposed to be quick
wow man that tells me a lot of what type of algorithm I should be trying to make up from scratch

>>52950541
It really should be called pivot sort

>>52950452
Daily reminder that CS is not a degree in programming. CS is a degree in math. If you don't like math, then you shouldn't be doing CS.

>>52950564
By that logic you should be able to derive new algorithms from previously undefined names

how about you write out 'fast-C++-parse' to prove your point

>>52950578

Daily reminder that even chem majors learn more maths than CS majors

>ITT: low-tier state college undergrads with inferiority complex

What gives with all the major baiting? Are people venting because of grad school rejections being released?

>>52943581
I was in chemistry for a while. It's actually way easier than CS at the undergrad level, but that's not saying much since CS is easy too.
Most natural science fields like chem, physics, bio, etc. pretty much guarantee that you'll be an academia cuck your whole life. Either you bottom out at the bachelor's level and get a shitty job as a lab tech for $40k a year, or you get a Ph.D. and your career revolves around writing research papers. I don't find that lifestyle to be appealing at all.

>>52950595
This is also patently not true, chem majors at my university required no maths beyond calc II whereas CS majors require calc III, linear algebra, and statistics

>>52950674
>calc III, linear algebra, and statistics

Chem majors take those at my school too plus diffeq

>get a shitty job as a lab tech for $40k a year

or a job in finance or coding.

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>tfw will never be so insecure about my choices in life that i will obsess about the majors other people choice

>tfw majored in art history and CS, and now have a comfy stress-free public service job for life

>tfw will never be like an adolescent who obsesses about making the most amount of money but instead care about life quality

>>52950019
Have 5 interviews next week because I'm not a social retard neet and people want me on their teams

>>52950122
>2016
>still peddling the career meme

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>>52950674
>be me
>bio major
>work in cloud computing making $80k+
>work remotely
>get paid shit post on /g/ in between service calls

You sure do have the world figured out friend

>>52949968
N'SYNC < Backstreet fags

This is objective fact.

everyone who posted in this thread is pathetic, especially me

all die

>>52943581
because 90% of them are virgins who spent all of high school playing world of warcraft. they need something to cope with the fact that they're not as smart as the real engineering disciplines :)

>>52943581
>software engineering
>uneducated

TFW you've fucked up bad and its too late to change major

>>52943768
Not OP, but a friend of mine already had a degree, and now they're doing comp sci. Right now they're working in some sysadmin capacity. I'm earning more than them. By the time they graduate and get that $100k job they so covet, I'll still be earning more than them. I've never cared about money, even when I was poor, and that seems to have worked in my favour.

>>52948885
>I taught myself law
No, you memorised some paltry pieces of legislation relevant to your circumstances, and the specific court's procedures. A monkey could do that.

Furthermore, if you messed that up, you would look a total fool. Don't be under any illusion, you're not even as competent with the law as a first semester first year law student.

OP came here because his edit only got mocked in /sci/

>>52946973
CS major detected! Plumbers uses tools to clear pipes.

>>52947198
Also CS getting ruined by "the problematic".

>>52947877
>getting indebted for things that you can learn of your own
So, you're going to CS just to get laid? And discuss FOSS? And drink beer?

>>52946973
>cleaning shit is an inferior job
You're a piece of shit yourself. Absolutely devoid of any empathy, you sound like a typical movie jock.

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>mfw CS student in europe
>mfw i could add 2 courses and end up having a full bachelor of maths
>mfw the US-education system sux

Can't talk for the anglo countries but CS (it's called Informatics here) most definitely has it's place in Germany. It's the main degree here if you're about to get into anything in this field.
If it's cash you're after here, you should rather study "Wirtschaftsinformatik" which is kind of silimiar to your Information Systems. But I chose Informatics because it's what I like and I hate business adiministration.

>>52953385
>silimiar
*similar..sorry

>>52953385
Does Wirtschaftsinformatik really earn you more? I saw some statistic that stated that they earn slightly less in average.

>>52953385
Is that the same as the Dutch "technische informatica"?

>>52953412
>Does Wirtschaftsinformatik really earn you more?
Yes, especially when it comes to higher positions.
>>52953429
no, that's "technische informatik". "Wirtschaftsinformatik" includes lots of business administration.

>>52947718
How are you this salty?

>>52949264
They can prove it by getting DBA jobs.

>>52943581
>Why do CS majors have such delusions of grandeur?

Because computers are like video games.

They are the default hobby.

Everyone has a computer and plays video game in their youth. But autistic neckbeards who never leave their room and aren't smart enough to cultivate interesting hobbies just fall back on muh PC and muh vidya and muh animu

I am a physics undergrad and I think that computer science is great.

>>52953165
>So, you're going to CS just to get laid? And discuss FOSS? And drink beer?

I'm doing it because it's fun and it separates me from the code monkeys. A formal education is more rigorous than self-taught anyway. Tell me more about how you're a professional self-taught programmer in Microsoft™ India division telephone tech consulting.

>>52947150
Carnagie Mellon, MIT and Stanford are terrible CompSci schools?

>>52953364
Do it.

If it has "computer" in the title, it looks awful on paper, no matter what you've done.

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>>52956050
>A formal education is more rigorous than self-taught anyway.
Does it also teaches you how to get ideas for games?

No, I didn't think so.

>>52956195
>Carnagie Mellon
Haven't heard about it.

>MIT
Meme school. Blame it on Stallman and his commie dittoheads.

>Stanford
Scientology v2.0.

What would be /sci/ majors? EE?

>>52948091
>Yeah man I dropped out cause it was easy!
>Bill Gates did that you know!
>what do you mean when am I gonna get a job? I'm 30, I still have a most of my life left!

>>52952989
>law is hard meme
get out

>>52956050
>A formal education is more rigorous than self-taught anyway

No it's not. You can go much deeper and with far more depth if you study the material on your own. CS classes are watered down to hell and skip anything that requires real math.

>>52946973

What about fixing shittied up computers

>>52953364
>>mfw i could add 2 courses and end up having a full bachelor of maths

Not all math bachelors are created equal since everything pass differential equations is an elective. CS+math doubles always seem to take the high school level classes like naive set theory, number theory (the kind without algebra or analysis), graph theory (no algebra), combinatorics (no analysis), "advanced calculus" (their "analysis" done at the level of a rigorous calculus book like Spivak/Abbot), "algebra" (at Fraleigh/Gallian/Pinter crash course level), linear algebra, etc and avoid any real exposure to mathematics.

>>52957959
That's IT, not CS

>>52956195
>Carnagie Mellon
>https://www.csd.cs.cmu.edu/academics/undergraduate/requirements

>The following computer science courses are required:
>15-128: Freshman Immigration Course*
>15-122: Principles of Imperative Computation**
>15-150: Principles of Functional Programming
>15-210: Parallel and Sequential Data Structures and Algorithms
>15-213: Introduction to Computer Systems
>15-251: Great Theoretical Ideas in Computer Science
>15-451: Algorithm Design and Analysis

>Five mathematics courses are required.
>21-120: Differential and Integral Calculus
>21-122: Integration and Approximation
>21-127: Concepts of Mathematics
>One of the following Linear Algebra courses: 21-241: Matrices and Linear Transformations; 21-242: Matrix Theory; 21-341: Linear Algebra
>One of the following Probability courses: 15-359: Probability and Computing; 21-325: Probability; 36-217: Probability Theory and Random Processes; 36-225: Introduction to Probability Theory

No automata and computability, no complexity theory, no architecture, no OS design, no compilers, no networks, no algebra, no analysis, no combinatorics, no graph theory, no statistics, no vector calculus, no diffeqns, no numerical analysis, no nothing. It's shit Jim. You have to sacrifice your elective courses to shore up your foundation.

>MIT

They don't even have a CS program. They've recognized there's not enough there in underage and created a EECS program instead which is much closer to CpE than CS.

>Stanford
>http://cs.stanford.edu/degrees/undergrad/Requirements.shtml

Similar to CMU: No OS design, no compilers, no advanced complexity theory, no networks, no algebra, no analysis, no combinatorics, no graph theory, no statistics, no vector calculus, no diffeqns, no numerical analysis, no nothing.

CS is shit everywhere

>>52953546
>implying anyone can't be a DBA

>>52958768
>Carnagie Melland and Stanford a shit
But what DO they teach?

>>52958618
>implying most CSer aren't drafted into IT

>>52959214
Their fault for being idiots, not the program's fault

>>52949860
can confirm, my comp sci program is pretty math heavy, weakling classmates complain all the time about how we haven't been doing any gui stuff because they want to show off their cool java programming skillz

buncha fags

>>52956050
>A formal education is more rigorous than self-taught anyway.

Tell that to any PhD. The cookie cutter approach allows for easier mass instruction (public school) and differentiation rank based on a common test curriculum, but at some point one can only advance through guided but self teaching, to achieve a higher level of understanding.

>>52959140
1 credit worth of material stretched out into 3 or 4

>>52959806
>pretty math heavy

Translation: We occasionally use logical qualifiers and set notation

>>52960242
I mean you're not wrong

>>52943581
I'll never understand /g/ and /sci/'s problem with CS when there's far easier degrees like EE and CE to mock.

>>52960479
Because those don't pretend that they are a science. They acknowledge that they are lowly engineering degrees.

>>52946064
Where?

>>52960494
Okay then, so as long as computer scientists stop calling themselves scientists you'll stop making fun of them?

>>52948743
>junior year
Heh

>>52949818
Psssh eh, the other engineers only had one extra semester of math.
Also maybe they haven't forgotten their math courses yet, but I already did.

>>52960494
EEs invented most of E&M and Vector Calculus.

>>52948885
>CS is impossible to self-study
CS is one of the most self-studiable fields in existence.

>>52960647
Codecademy Javascript courses are not CS.

I'm doing Computer Engineering. Am I safe?

>>52960660
There's a lot more than that out there.

>>52960688
You can say that about every other major under the sun.

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>>52960494
>>52960638
Holy shit, is /g/ actually having a dick measuring contest about sciences and engineering? Everyone in this thread is fucking pathetic, there's pioneers that have affected the world in every field of science, stop acting like children and maybe one day you'll also contribute something to society.

>>52960736
What other majors out there are built around online communities where you can work on and contribute to projects while sitting on your ass at your own home, with no startup cost other than owning any computer?

>>52960479
/g/ is a way more chill board than this, even with the consumerism. Idk why. I get major autism vibes in here, especially in the "my major vs your major" threads

>>52946973
programming in
>java
>python
>PHP
>VB

endless testing & report writing
neverending codes of conduct

>>52960795
Oh shit I thought I clicked on /sci/ for a moment lmao but this is actually /g/

Fuck you guys.

>>52960647
>>52960660
>>52960688
>>52960736
>>52960764

1. Yes you can get very far with book learning alone without access to experts or the latest published research papers, to the point of being able to reach the cutting edge. See Ramanujan.

2. No, even if you are a genius and you manage to acquire the latest research papers, you will lack the background knowledge required to understand them. There are typically no books explaining cutting edge research, meaning you have to be in contact with the researchers to understand their research.

3. The fundamentals of CS and math are easy to learn but when proving theorems it is easy to make mistakes, this is where having fellow mathematicians and computer scientists comes in handy. If you insist on self-study and building on theorems that nobody else has checked be prepared to face the possibility of everything falling down later on.

>>52960660
>Say theoretical CS is easy to learn on your own
>Butthurt CS majors swoop in projecting you're referring to SE and don't know true CS

Every single fucking time

>>52960934
How is CS easy to learn on your own? I'm not saying it's impossible but easy? Is chemistry also easy to learn on your own?

>>52960665

Is ABET accredited and basically do an EE degree?

>>52960931
>this is where having fellow mathematicians and computer scientists comes in handy. If you insist on self-study and building on theorems that nobody else has checked be prepared to face the possibility of everything falling down later on.
Hence >>52960764

You can have your work critiqued and get advice by experts without any formal teaching

>>52960977
Yes, and it's basically most of EE's classes and most of CS's classes

Maybe 2-5 from each that are not required but can be taken as electives

>>52960979

Well that's cheating.

>>52960934
>call a miner a blacksmith just because he works with ore
>BUT I'M NOT WRONG

Except, you are wrong. Every single fucking time.

>>52960972

The subject matter is very easy to absorb. Read CLRS, Kozen, Arora & Barak, Patterson & Hennessy, APUE, Tanenbaum & Wetherall, the dinosaur book, the dragon book, TAPL, Russell & Norvig, Gang of 4 and the Mythical Man Month and you'll know more than most majors.

I like CS and I have a full scholarship so whatever.

>>52961218
Yeah, I doubt the average person could understand even half of those on his own, you're clearly talking about intelligent people, it's definitely not 'easy' to learn CS on your own. You're greatly overestimating an average person's understanding of basic math, let alone calculus and discrete math

>>52961271
Calculus and intro discrete are basic math.

>>52961271

No fucking shit you need to have an IQ in the double digits to self-study. What he's saying that it's very easy for a reasonably intelligent person to learn CS on his own, which is only true for intro-level undergrad CS.

You can't get to the latest research by reading books unless you're creating a new field by yourself.

>>52958429

>get a load of this guy

>>52961344
The average person can barely comprehend derivatives, retard.

>>52961355
By that logic pretty much any 'reasonably intelligent' person can learn any science on his own.

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>>52961218
Yeah man just read Knuth for 5 minutes everyday and you'll already know more than of 99% of computer science PhDs, it's really simple.

>>52961271
>You're greatly overestimating an average person's understanding of basic math, let alone calculus and discrete math
>>52961433
>The average person can barely comprehend derivatives, retard.

Everyone who graduates high school in Europe learns calculus. Americans ≢ human beings

>>52961218

Dawg, try learning how to prove algorithms on your own, or even greedy algorithms. I was "taught" this shit and still have no idea how to do it or make them.

Cs degree + math minor here.

>>52961479
Nice try but I'm European, here people choose one of three 'directions' and you can avoid calculus, but even if you choose the 2 that include calculus doesn't mean you'll graduate having learned shit, teachers will just give you a passing grade.

>>52961445
>TAOCP

Knuth's shit is too autistic and often outdated. You're better off reading Journal papers once you get to that level.

>>52943581
Because dumb fucks that think they're king Midas think they can get a degree in CS and turn their class projects into gold flock to that major.
>I don't think this will be League of Legends level of popularity, but it's definitely going to have competitions going
- my dumb fuck stoner capstone partner

>>52961445
Anyone with a brain can prove every major theorem about generating functions over the course of a lunch break. Any longer and you'd have to be a retarded CS major or something. Math master race, 300k starting, enjoy being a codemonkey.

>mfw /g/ is just /sci/ with thinkpads now

>>52961575
>300k starting
do mathcucks even believe the shit they type?

>>52961608
>you
>in charge of recognizing satire

>>52961619
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>52961629
you're an idiot

>>52961719
your*

>>52961519
>If I'm retarded then everyone else must be too

lel special snowflake syndrome

>>52961526
I bet you're from a former commie country or some crap like that.

>tfw degree in Artificial Intelligence.

It's really just CS plus some extra subjects, but people take you very serious as a scientist.

CStards think knowing academia buzzwords and abstract academia concepts that won't pay a penny in the real world are going to get them 300K starting when in reality the majority of them are facing 60K starting unstable code monkey careers.

CS at this point is just normals that fell for the "computahz are da fudure:DDDD" meme and have no actual clue about how to make a living.

CS was good ten years ago when infrastructure needed to be built and code abstraction was low to the point where there needed to be skilled experts for individual machines.

>>52961526

The 3rd direction is meant for the Ackmeds enriching your people.

>>52960999
Then you're safe

>>52943581
I dropped my shit when they said they learn more math than engineering or especially physics majors. Got a few friends majoring in physics. They have more math requirements depending on what they study than eng., for eng. it's mostly do it in your free time or take class if you want to get better at it or you actually want to understand certain courses better. Plus, your degree doesn't make you badass, you can be still fucking stupid with a physics degree (experience). You make a degree sound badass when you actually know what you're doing.

I get why pure CS fags think that way though, most of them don't know shit and they're too stupid (mostly) to actually do a research with heavy math (and they can't into physics or engineering), so all they do is call REST APIs at work (cause they only get the shit jobs) and cry on 4chin. CS ed. is mostly a joke too. Their calculus is joke tier compared to engineering/physics calc. Only a few discr.math and algo. courses are worth something.

- By CSE (Computer Science Engineering) student

>>52951090
You lie.

>>52947690

It's a program at plenty of universities.

>>52961908
ITT: Autists wildly throw conjecture around about fields they have no contact with IRL

>>52962451
>CScuck in full damage control
don't worry, soccer moms and brogrammers aren't endangering your pseudoSTEM cancer degree at all

>>52962392
It shouldn't be

About to finish CS.
just kill me fampai

>>52963076
switch

>>52944645
Found the butt hurt cs major

>>52946973
Neither do electricians and most plumbers (Unless they really like that)

>>52943581
CS is okay I guess. I did that and philosophy.

Most of the mathematics in CS is much simpler than the formal logic courses I chose to take for my philosophy degree (which was ~70% of my philosophy electives.)

It was just really jarring seeing how differently the faculty treat CS students in comparison to the students in philosophy classes though. All the CS profs treated us like we were idiots.

Also, if you think CS majors suffer delusions of grandeur, you haven't met the stereotypical self-aggrandizing philosophy majors. The CS majors are pretty tame by comparison, but definitely more socially stunted.

>>52947465
i have the internet to learn applicable skills. i want to learn computer science.

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>>52965220
>All the CS profs treated us like we were idiots

But CS majors are idiots.

>>52947465
Are you serious? You do CS and do internships for experience.

>>52965364
Holy fuck. I only looked at the loop and at first I didn't notice half asleep. Then I saw the name of it and realized what it does. I almost died from the realization that iq can be negative. I'm sure there's some fucking asshole out there deliberately making these cs major memes to kill people.

>>52965364
Ignoring how inefficient it is, would this even work? It only increments i if it matches num

>>52943581
About to graduate and I have 100k job lined up in Texas. Probably gonna move to Washington in a couple years and try to get 130-50k. CS is fucking easy if you're not retarded socially or technically.

>>52965599
hahahahahahahaha! i just noticed that

this is the best best college graduate code i've seen

>>52965599
Why do you ask then? You just said it yourself.

>>52965599
Of course not. Even if you move the i+=2 outside the if statement, the counter is going to get to 2147483646 and then loop around -2147483648 and continuing on forever.

>>52965364
>the number is false

kek

>>52965364
College graduate code memes are funnier when they actually work desu

Thinks like this are just depressing

>>52950710
>>tfw majored in art history and CS, and now have a comfy stress-free public service job for life

Please go on anon. That's what I'm aspiring to find.

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>>52965683

>>52960750
Underated post

>the number is false

But 1 is true

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>>52965683

>Programming class
>Teacher gets pissed off if I don't initialize variables that don't need to be initialized

>>52966383
I mean if you don't know what you're doing it's not bad but think of it this way. The teacher has to deal with hundreds of other shitty kids with no know-how who don't initialize them and have things fuck up as a result.

CS is a joke. I got a 4.0 at a top university without putting in any effort. I honestly wished I picked something harder to challenge myself, but at least I have a high paying job after graduation.

>>52966445
This

>>52948209
Are these for girl gamers?

>>52967183
Yes

>>52966445
hows it feel like being a fuckin liar

>>52966445
you'd get a phd if you were actually smart

>>52949934
>community college

>>52967217
He's not lying.

>>52967217
I got a 4.0 in CS too. But I was smart enough to have other majors so as not to completely waste my time in school.

Is it really impossible to self-study? I mean, do you actually use math at your average network/sysadmin job?

>>52957789
Did you spend the last eight years of your life studying so you could fucking get a piece of paper that tells you that you can practice law? No? Shut the fuck up.

>>52953226
Found the guy who cleans shit.

>>52947150
I hear that The University of Texas at Austin is pretty decent. It's in the top 10.

>>52967695
>Is it really impossible to self-study

Of course not.

>>52967774
>https://www.cs.utexas.edu/undergraduate-program/academics/curriculum/courses
>The old curriculum had eleven CS courses that students were required to take, leaving little time for electives. The new curriculum has only six
>Programming
312 Introduction to Programming OR 312H Introduction to Programming: Honors
314 Data Structures OR 314H Data Structures Honors
>Systems
429 Computer Organization and Architecture OR 429H Computer Organization and Architecture: Honors
439 Principles of Computer Systems OR 439H Principles of Computer Systems: Honors
>Theory
311 Discrete Math for Computer Science OR 311H Discrete Math for Computer Science: Honors
331 Algorithms and Complexity OR 331H Algorithms and Complexity: Honors
>Math
M 408N: Calculus 1
M 408S: Calculus 2
SDS 321 or M362K: Statistics & Probability (3)
M 340L or SDS 329C: Linear Algebra (3)

It's shit.

>>52962310
If anything it's all the other STEMfags who come and cry on 4chin, just look at this fucking thread that's posted every other day. Also, who are you kidding, CS has easily the best job opportunities than any science. Enjoy being a cuckademic the rest of your life.

>>52967992
Now show us your school's curriculum

>>52968041
>Fall 1
Calculus I
Intro to Proofs and Abstract Mathematics
Physics I
Chem I or Bio I
Intro to Programming
Technical Writing

>Spring 1
Calculus II
Matrix Algebra
Physics II
Chem II or Bio II
Digital Logic and Automata
Data Structures
Problem Solving and Heuristic (Seminar)

>Fall 2
Vector Calculus
Physics III
Electrical Engineering Fundamentals
Computer Architecture
Algorithm I
Combinatorics and Graph Theory I
Unix and System Development (Seminar)

>Spring 2
ODEs and Dynamical Systems
Probability and Statistics
Mathematical Logic
Parallel, Distributed, and GPU Programming
Operating Systems
Numerical Analysis I
Debugging and Source Control (Seminar)

>Fall 3
Abstract Algebra I
Real Analysis
Modern Geometry
Algorithm II
Programming Languages and Compilers I
FPGAs, Microcontrollers and Driver Development
Documentation (Seminar)

>Spring 3
Abstract Algebra II
Combinatorics and Graph Theory II
Numerical Analysis II
Systems and Signal Analysis
Computability and Complexity Theory
Compilers II and Type Theory
Database Theory (Seminar)

>Fall 4
Complex Variables and PDEs
Algebraic Number Theory
Computer Graphics and Image Processing
Linear and Convex Optimization
Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning
Internet, Networks and Communication Systems
Professionalism, Ethics, and Conduct (Seminar)

>Spring 4
Randomized and Approximation Algorithms
Computer Vision, Control Theory and Robotics
Computer Security and Cryptography
Quantum Computing
Software Engineering Essentials
Macro and Micro Economics
Personal Grooming and Hygiene (Seminar)

>>52968441
All of those are core courses? Because that's what you posted for texas uni

if you don't deal with assembly & undocumented winapi calls daily, your SE job is a joke

>>52968441
He's all talk. He won't even say what school.

>>52968510
That's a meme copypasta from /sci/, not the contents of an actual curriculum.

Why do non cs majors feel the need to shit up /g/ with more inane crap?

>>52968510
Yes, a CS major should know something about each of those areas.

>>52968594
You misunderstand, I'm saying all undergraduate CS programs are garbage. To cover the full core of CS and have room for additional electives would require at least 5 years and is just not possible.

>>52968566

Anything that uses windows is a joke senpai. Sorry to tell you that

>>52968665
go back to cleaning shitpipes plumber-chan

>>52968441
>Fall 5 and later
PHP and Javascript position.

>>52968651
Yes, because obviously someone who is researching AI needs a deep understanding of automata theory and database implementations.

>>52968676
pipes for stdin and stdout

>>52968713
>deep understanding
>undergrad courses

Nope.

>someone who is researching AI needs [an] understanding of automata theory and databases

Actually, yes they do. Don't you know anything about AI?

>>52968776
Yes I do. That is what I am working on right now in graduate school. How about you?

>>52968798
>Going to uni
>2016
LMAO HOW DUMB ARE U

>>52968639
>non cs majors

Who?

>>52950317
> -10000 monies
Americans evryone , point and laugh at them

>>52967742
Did you do the final exam without bringing suitcases full of books? If not, then law is a meme education intentionally made more hard than necessary.

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>>52969121
Isn't it time for your 5 daily prayers?

>>52950317
The fault here is the concept of "employability". The old unis, in the Humboldtian sense, was places where the students could pick courses as they wanted and create an exam of their own.

And in the 50s you got a job just like that with your senior high school degree. Now the senior high school is high school v2.0 and the uni is senior high school v2.0.

Of course there's plenty of valid stuff at the uni. But the signal to noise ratio is too low.

>>52950452
What a meme student. I'm going to be a bedroom programmer, and I think in the opposite direction: "What do I want the game to be? -> What algorithm do I neet?"

Pretty sad meme student. Because knowing what an algorithm is for and be able to code it efficiently in various languages isn't in opposition to each other.

>>52969530
>I'm going to be a bedroom programmer

???

>>52943581
Because they're gay, electrical engineer talking here.

>>52969657
>engineer here
>they're gay
>they're

>>52968702
lel

>>52946186
Truth
If you honestly think cs is the only way to make big cash please an hero
I've met people who make 100k+ on jobs that most of you consider "below" you
Honestly if you want some good cash in preparation for your degree you should learn a skilled trade and make some before you go to school, the paper isn't everything

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>>52969688

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>>52969688

That meme was never funny and never will be.

Lol so why haven't you accepted your Lord and Savior, mechanical engineering as your major
/gee/

Why all the hate against CS? It's the easiest way to make big bucks if you are not thick, and not to mention you get to travel.
>born in 3rd world
>learn me english
>worked in UK already
>working in yurop now
>can blow up money like nothing
Does any other major offer this?

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Why computer science when you could study computer engineering?

>>52971937
Why study computer engineering when you can choose all the cool CE classes as electables and still get the math from CS?

>>52971950
To be honest with you, because I want to be more hands on with the Hardware I use instead of just knowing the soft part.

>>52972037
That's why you choose those classes as your electables...

Did you not read my post before you answered?

>>52972064
Yeah I read it but the piece of paper you'll get will say computer science not computer engineering, and since companies focus on what your paper says when entering the workforce, I want to make sure they understand I didn't just take electives on it but majored completely.

>>52948072
Because you will use any of the former half of that in software development.

Not disagreeing with the fact that most SE courses are shit, I agree there needs to be a much bigger focus on using real world standards like SCM and robust/mandatory unit tests.

There needs to be a bigger focus on design patterns etc, and being able to survive in an environment that isn't Windows with Java.

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My 'Applied Computing' degree in the UK was basically a software engineering course with networking, some algorithms I can't remember and practical skills and other shit tacked on.

Haven't had a problem finding a well paying job and work for a software company based in California now.

The computer scienTISTS (basically the people in this thread) in the US office built most of our bankend that is an absolute clusterfuck of shit that me and the other in UK are have to write from scratch again.

What did I miss? Why aren't I jobless? Help

>>52972100
>Yeah I read it but the piece of paper you'll get will say computer science not computer engineering
Literally no one except /g/ cares

>and since companies focus on what your paper says when entering the workforce
Wrong

Companies focus on what classes you took, what projects you have done, where you've interned, what you did for extracurricular activities etc.

>I want to make sure they understand I didn't just take electives on it but majored completely.
Your approach to college/uni is upsetting me. Why would you care more about a fancy degree on a piece of paper than actually doing something worthwhile and something you can be proud of?

>>52972129
Fuck I want a Rorona in her 30s.

>>52943581
>study maths at uni
>my classes are in the same building as cs classes
>sometimes i'm working in a lab and a cs class is taking place in the room
>literally 90% of the students are niggers and pakis

Tell me again what is so special about CS?

>>52972136
Because I'm not in the US and here you're judged on what degree you have and years of work experience, we don't have major software development companies and I'll probably have to work on computer system maintenance in a bank or something of the sort.

>>52972212
>Because I'm not in the US
Neither am I

>and here you're judged on what degree you have and years of work experience
The degree is literally a piece of paper. You are judged on work experience, yes, but you do realise that what you do during your time in college is considered experience too?

>we don't have major software development companies and I'll probably have to work on computer system maintenance in a bank or something of the sort.
Computer science is not a degree in software development. No serious employer thinks this.

I have a degree in computer science (because of all the computer science math), but all my electables are basically hardware courses. I currently work as a hardware engineer and I spend more time doing Verilog and using oscilloscopes than programming.

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>>52971950
>still get the math from CS
>math from CS

kek

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>>52972129
>In America, all the CS classes are done in groups of 6
>Obviously, only 1 in 6 actually learns shit
QED

>>52950084
>Oh shit, if he doesn't mention my school it will mean I'm not as hot as I think I am
>Better initiate damage control with a challenge

>>52953671
These are the people who drop out within the first month of classes. Everyone with an actual interest in CS already knows how to program and blitzes through their first year

>>52969636
Here's a nosh:

http://cobrascobras.com/2014/04/29/the-bedroom-programmer-cycle-over/
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/101705/QA_Introversions_Bedroom_Programmer_Survival_Guide.php
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26653349http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26653349

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>>52950674
>do undergrad in chem
>lab tech at a research startup during last year
>graduate and don't get accepted to grad school
>over next 3 company blows up and scales up massively
>make 400k year as director of operations

for some reason i still feel like a babby for not having a PhD

>>52972362
I can see why:

>Containing exercises and materials that engage students at all levels, Discrete Mathematics with Ducks presents a gentle introduction for students who find the proofs and abstractions of mathematics challenging. Containing exercises and materials that engage students at all levels, Discrete Mathematics with Ducks presents a gentle introduction for students who find the proofs and abstractions of mathematics challenging.

BECAUSE THIS IS NOT HOW WE TEACH ON /g/! HERE WE THROW INSULTS AT EACH OTHER! CALL SOMEONE A GAY NIGGER WHO SHOULD RETURN TO SPACE IS HOW WE SAY "Hello!" HERE!

>>52968441
>only one stats course

>>52968025
>CS has easily the best job opportunities than any science.
Indeed. Basically most degrees have better job opportunities than a pure science degree. So if you want good job opportunities then sure CS is one way to go.
>Enjoy being a cuckademic the rest of your life.
I don't know where you get that.

I wasn't talking about job opportunities there though.
Lot of CS grads can't actually program (on a competent level). So they get shit tier jobs if they get any.
You mostly have two choices either do the math part academically or in the industry(most grads are way too stupid to even understand some of the more complex algorithms) or get into the industry as a programmer.
The job you get depends on how good programmer you are though. Most grad guys are doing exactly what I wrote there: calling REST APIs all day and writing "business apps". All that shit is fucking boring.
In fact the problem with pure CS is that it's boring and very narrow-minded compared to engineering (especially when you study something interdisciplinary). At least for me it is.

>>52974179
You have valid points but my point was that if you want to be a programmer, you need a CS degree, there's no way around it, maybe in America you don't but there's no way you'd find a job without one, no matter how good you are.

So, yes, lots of CS grads will be lost after they get their degree because they're either too stupid or they haven't worked on their skills by themselves and expected to get good just by going to school but that's pretty much the same for any science and eng.

>>52975057
>So, yes, lots of CS grads will be lost after they get their degree because they're either too stupid or they haven't worked on their skills by themselves and expected to get good just by going to school but that's pretty much the same for any science and eng.
Agreed.
>You have valid points but my point was that if you want to be a programmer, you need a CS degree,
I can mostly agree with that too. I'm from Europe though and looking around here a CS degree is not a must, but a related degree is. Although a CS degree tops it. With a related degree you need a lot more effort and a company which can actually think.

>>52975182
>>52975057
Oh, shit. What I forgot to add is that "my problem" is that CS doesn't weed out incompetents as much as engineering does. I see this at my uni, but others from other unis say this too. Seeing the curriculum of the programs I can see the difference.
For CS the Mathematical Logic, Formal languages, Complexity theory, Automata Theory and related classes are the ones usually making students shit themselves, but because they usually ask them to solve some well-known type of problems they can pass it.
On the other hand in electronics and digital electronics laboratory you need to make a report and actually design a circuit and build it and debug it. Calculus is also lighter for pure CS guys.
In signal and systems course you need to be able to open a fucking book and review the required math from calc in depth and learn math which wasn't covered there that much to actually understand the topic so you can pass the exam. Control theory heavily builds on sigsys too.
In microcontroller lab. you can't copy-paste from stack-overflow you need to actually program the device and you need to read the circuit diagram to see how it's connected.
All in all CS usually misses the real do this yourself kind of classes or when it has them it's not taken seriously enough.

>>52975057
I think what you mean to say is if you have a CS degree, you have to be a programmer.

>>52943581
Because people think success in the CS field is making the next uber but for dragon dildos. Startup culture is a trap.

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>Getting a degree in the year of 2016

What does /g/ think about CE majors?

>>52953429
neen

>>52943581
Should I go for a Master's degree in Computer Science and Engineering?

>>52975700
actually I won't graduate until 2018 :^)

>>52975758
What does it matter?
/g/ is almost entirely teen and early 20's NEETs and college students, not employers or people with any sort of real world experience under their belts.
Threads like these are just like the "I'm gonna join the military" circle jerks of 17 year olds where they argue about which branch is tougher.

>>52975994
Fucking this.

>>52972136
>Literally no one except /g/ cares

See >>52948662

They care.

>>52972287
>>I have a degree in computer science (because of all the computer science math)

But CS math is watered down compared to CpE math.

>>52968441
>Personal Grooming and Hygiene (Seminar)
Seriously?

>>52976377
>They care.
They care that you have A degree.

They don't care about the KIND OF degree, which is why they always write "Candidate must have the equivalent of a BSc/MSc in Computer Science, Computer Engineering, Software Engineering, Mathematics, Electrical Engineering etc"

>But CS math is watered down compared to CpE math.
This meme is seriously becoming tiresome.

Also, thank you for replying to a post I made 5 hours ago.

>>52975758
It depends.

Some shitty CE degrees are literally a CS degrees with a second CompArch class, but ABET accredited CE degrees are good and really just EE with a different name.

>>52976739
>This meme is seriously becoming tiresome.

It's not a meme, CS math is a joke. Stop disregarding anything you don't like as a meme.

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>>52946940
top kljasd

>Computer Science
>Not glorious Computer Engineering

>>52951164
la dolce vita

>>52977197
>it's not a meme because I say so!!!

I guess that's why virtually all of the Abel prize and Fields Medal winners the last 20 years have been computer scientists then.

>>52977678
>I guess that's why virtually all of the Abel prize and Fields Medal winners the last 20 years have been computer scientists then.

You mean how CS PhDs are idiots and most contributions to the field actually comes from Math PhDs?

>>52978259
This meme is really tiring anon. No, I mean how higher-level CS is basically just fucking applied mathematics.

Just because the CS program at your shitty community college is some lame code monkey factory, doesn't mean shit about the field.

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>>52978306
0/10

>>52978360
Nice meme

>>52947586
newfag

>>52977678
>implying undergrad CS majors are on par with PhD mathematicians

>>52978306
>Not sure if trolling are actually this stupid

Those higher-level CS courses are a JOKE. There's barely any math in CLRS, there's barely any math in Sipser, there barely any math in any book CS majors claim to be "basically just fucking applied mathematics".

>inB4 more ad hominems because you can't accept the fact that CS isn't a super special snowflake degree that any other STEM major could learn it in less than a quarter of the time it takes CS majors to.

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Dude, just let the delusional compsci majors live in their own dreamworld. Everyone else knows how incompetent they are so there is no need to waste your breath arguing with them. If they could learn, they wouldn't be compsci majors in the first place.

>>52978824
>>52978732
>being this insecure

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>being this delusional of your standing in life

You're in for a rude awakening and going to have only yourself to blame.

>>52943581
No-one who spent more than a year in CS would claim it involves particularly hard maths, but it's still ahead of code monkey SE. Why do EEs and other STEM majors spend all their time crying about CS?

>>52947992
>Introductory texts are pathetically trivial
Top patrician analysis there

>>52950303
That looks like a pretty typical course at a Russell group Uni yes

>>52978732
>because these freshman books don't have advanced math grad level CS doesn't either

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>>52960517
Non-union electrician here. $65k a year, full benefits and a company vehicle.

Not bad for having no more than high school education.

>>52977678
>>52979629
>people tangentially related to CS are impressive so CS majors are too

Why do all CS majors tend make this logical fallacy? How smart/dumb grad students are has no baring on the intelligence of undergrads.

>>52953671
They're the retards everyone else in the course hates. If you actually like CS it means you like algorithms, information theory, discrete maths etc. not "making muh vidya wtf are quarternions lel"

>>52957947
>>52960647
see
>>52960660
Self-taught programmers seem to just teach themselves syntax and implementation and don't give any thought to what they're doing beyond "does it compile?"

>>52960494
"Computer Scientists" are the first to admit that the name is retarded

>>52960764
Software engineering apparently

>>52960934
>>52962527
>I made a wrong statement
>I got told it's wrong
>Better call them butthurt

>>52979754
I think most CS undergrads are idiots

T. CS Professor

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>>52979462
>>Introductory texts are pathetically trivial
>Top patrician analysis there

CS undergrads don't go beyond intro texts. Many of them don't even get to those texts or don't do them fully.

>>52976699

Every CS program needs that more than anything else

>>52979462
>Why do EEs and other STEM majors spend all their time crying about CS

Because CS majors tell normies they're smarter than EEs & co and normies believe them. Of course EEs are going to get mad at their reputation being tarnished.

>>52964677
I study math you retard.

>not engineers
>not physicists
>not mathematicians

It's pretty much a trash major for people not smart enough for any of the aforementioned professions.