>>52934083 >Capitalism is literally the best model for society.
No. Capitalism is the best model for nature. But society is not part of the nature, only the humans beings are.
The best model for society is communism, but it is not part of our nature as humans.
So in the end of the day we're pretty much fucked up as species. There is no future for us unless we evolve to entirely new level of thinking and embrace the so called communism. Which btw. there is no doubt that will be authoritarian until common higher mind have been developed by using telepathy or some other sci-fi shit method of instant communication (higher/global level of neural network).
>>52934254 It is clearly not. Communism never works because one guy or a committee or whatever run the fucker Capitalism is automatic. It's a set of rules that automatically create consequences There is no hierarchy there is no immunity. Anyone can become anything he wants go be given he works/hustles for that shit. What we have now is crony capitalism which is why everyone hates capitalism and think capitalism doesn't work.
>>52934254 >Capitalism is the best model for nature. What the actual fuck? Think about the rate at which capitalist societies consume natural resources (communist societies can be just as bad, but still...)
>>52934305 what is wrong with committees? which communism was run by one guy? automatism is fine, but more importantly we need good consequences how can your ideal capitalism prevent devolution into crony capitalism?
>>52934325 it is replication of natural principles dominating species also spread until they blindly hit resource limits capitalism also does not review its principles no matter how tragic are consequences
>>52934353 Committees suck because how is some group of even elite geniuses going to know how I should live my life when I live hundreds of miles away doing completely unrelated things. The point is they can't. Communism is authoritarian, man is fallible and thus can be corrupted and the last thing you want is a bunch of concentrated power in the hands of the corruptable.
and for the retard who said capitalism will consume all resources, why would somebody do that? Forests are often replaced or replanted, for continued lumber harvesting. It would be stupid otherwise to just not replant
>>52934427 in context of socialism committee is group organized to manage means of production they themselves work with if that is somehow authoritarian, how would you describe capitalistic authoritarian level?
>>52934427 >and for the retard who said capitalism will consume all resources, why would somebody do that? Forests are often replaced or replanted, for continued lumber harvesting. It would be stupid otherwise to just not replant the price signals are delayed from decisions, you can cut branch under yourself plus capital today is not bound to single industry, if you can move on to more interesting investments it does not matter if there are no trees left after you
>>52934446 >a government that is adherent to its principles? a citizenry that gives a shit? so not capitalists >crony capitalism is government interference to help or ruin a business actually it is takeover of government by capitalists to promote their interests by other means than market
Alright it's my first time walking out of the cancer of /b/ into the /g/ section. Isn't this board supposed to discuss tech? TVP is filled with technology to improve the lives of people, otherwise it's just a pile of junk.
>>52934540 There would be no politics, if there was a problem we'd fix it instead of telling people what to do when faced with the problem. With the best means there available, which are the methods of science applied to the social structure
>>52934546 >There are no natural principles, all principles are arrived at due to the environment each species has. nature is a complex word, but it surely fits to not-altered-by-humans environment >Look up TVP cute
>>52934562 so it is based on faith that science, in its modern meaning, can solve everything the best way sounds like fragile construct, that can work only with very homogenized population enjoy your crazy cows
>>52934640 Yeah and we would live only by those laws, but those laws have to be known by everybody, in order for the new resource based economy to work. Survival of the fittest no longer applies because we have the capability for the first time in history to achieve abundance. That will end most predatory behavior.
>>52934824 The algorithm is not hidden anymore. Everything is pushed by something else. Where do the smartest fit in that scenario? The world is in constant change, you can't base your knowledge with something discovered decades ago.
>>52934933 Specialization and exchange in a (free) market economy satisfies my needs. As technology progresses, more goods become cheaper (and almost free). No need for such a centralized system, based on the narrow-minded understanding of one guy with grandiose ideas how the world should run.
>>52934757 As somebody who is studying this stuff. Instincts last a very very long time. Look at the instinctual responses of babies from when we were nomadic tribes. Babies when dropped will instinctually move their arms in such a way as to prevent as much damage as they can when they impact the ground. There's also the swimming response when they're dropped in water. Why do we have these responses still? Evolutionarily it's better to be safe than sorry although it's important to note that evolution has no plan or goal >>52934809 That's completely wrong
>>52934968 Reality is both. And in the future everyone will be a mathematician and a logician, and a biologist and whatever branch of science there is because the more information there is the better the quality of life.
>>52934992 I fell like you're projecting a purpose to the movements of babies. But I don't know. Also have you heard what I base my opinion? You know who I'm talking about right? It's the starter of the Venus Project, Jacque Fresco. It might be true where I come from. Take that in consideration.
>>52934389 >capitalism does not review it's principles no matter how tragic the consequences. This is a good point, however there will come a day when the principles of capitalism will be at odds with the principles of nature. This is why a resource based economy is a good thing, the earth can't sustain our consumerism forever.
>>52935030 Information is viewed as a commodity in the modern capitalist society. Whoever controls the flow of information controls quality of life. Patents are pure cancer for this reason. Example: HIV medication is cheap to manufacture but is very expensive to buy because pharma companies know there is a high demand for it.
>>52935724 There are so many things misinterpreted in that video. I do not have the time or energy to address them all so have this link to what exactly are the things in the Venus Project http://askjacquefresco.com/en/index.php/component/faqbookpro/category/114-quotes
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