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Is /g/ all libtards? Also I'm all for encryption, privacy, free software and against the patriot act
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>libtards
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>>52930746
>Is /g/ all libtards
Yes, because conservative/ authoritarian candidates are generally against all those things you just listed.
>voting against your interests
>being a cuck
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>>52930746
I'm a big supporter of dynamic linked libs, yeah.
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/g/ is anarcho-communists, and also a bunch of /pol/fags who spill over for some reason
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>>52930746
Nah I think liberals are spineless pussies. But I also think conservatives are gigantic cunts. I think everyone except government is against the Patriot act. But the average person doesn't want to think about it.

Ignorance is bliss. What was the point of your thread? This seems like politics.
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>>52930746
>I'm all for encryption, privacy, free software
Sounds pretty liberal to me. I think you may want to look up the definitions of your terms.
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>>52930858
>conservative/ authoritarian
not the same thing you retard
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>>52930969
You're right, but typically quite closely related.
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Libertarian. Do what you want, idgaf

>>52931002
nigga really? Liberalism in the US is just as authoritarian, just in different ways.
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>>52930950
You act like liberals are for privacy yet they love to monitor guns like crazy and are constantly tracking online sales
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>>52930920
Sorry I guess it doesn't have a real point, sorta off topic I suppose
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I don't care what class of politics I belong to. We can all agree to vote for the group that promises to gas the jews.
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>>52931071
Nothing quite infringes on your liberty like a guy waving a gun in your face.
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I became Libertarian after finding commercial Unix.
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>>52931103
>not having your own to protect yourself
>kek
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>>52931096
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>>52931140
I see nothing wrong here
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>>52931096
>>52931140
Why does /g/ hate Jews? Please explain.
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Yes, I'm super super liberal, like RMS. It's board culture. Just like it's the board culture of /pol/ to be a full-blown retard and borderline psychotic.
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>>52931152
But wait, there's more!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm5Je73bYOY

>>52931160
It's not the jews as people, so much as it is the fact that they've become synonymous with the oligarchy that's fucking over our country. They control the corporations, they control the media, and they increasingly control the government.
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>>52931189
>/g/ is liberal
>/g/ is anti-women
I don't get it
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>>52931189
is it safe to assume you have:
autism
a "waifu"
debilitating social anxiety
and thus a NEET?
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>>52931207
SJWism is just a CIA effort to undermine liberal ideology. It was created to disrupt occupy wallstreet.
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>>52930950
In a classic sense or neo liberal?
Because there is quite a difference.
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I would describe myself as "economically liberal, socially conservative"

austerity policies are universally failures, welfare and health care and other social safety nets are absolutely necessary for a functioning society, capitalism is only morally justifiable under tight regulation and control, but boy do I not want to be around Liberals and their identity politics and victim competitions
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>>52931214
Only on /a/.

Learn to 4chan.
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>>52931214
I'm all of these things, and a socialist, and I vote
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>>52931241
This. This describes me perfectly.
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>>52931231
Most of /g/ would be classically liberal. Political parties like that still exist outside of the US.
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>>52931207
That the /pol/ spillover the anon was talking about above. Also underages think misogyny is edgy
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>>52931241
>I believe everyone should have health care
> I'm NOT PAYING YOUR SEX CHANGE!
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>>52931241
Being socially liberal doesn't necessarily equate to engaging in gender politics and all that garbage. I'm socially liberal and couldn't give a shit about gender politics. There's parts of socially liberal policy that are just common sense, like ending the drug war, legalising or decriminalising certain substances, permitting gay marriage, stuff that hurts nobody.
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>>52931292
Why would you even be asked about that? Universal healthcare is all or nothing, at least that's how its implemented around the world. You don't pick and choose which parts you want to fund.
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>>52931292
I would be happy for my tax money to go to sexual reassignment surgery, counselling and support groups for those struggling with gender identity, etc. I don't want deal with the neoreactionary distraction tactics used by liberals to keep the lower classes estranged from each other, in order to protect the status quo. I would not call myself a feminist, but I believe that their aims and works are admirable, when taken in totality. The thing is, a lot of people have taken revolutionary dialectic and tried to fit it into a fundamentally bourgeois lifestyle and that's where you end up with neon-haired screaming competitions achieving nothing but social posturing. There is real work to be done on our social system, and it is not being achieved by facebook like campaigns and outraged op eps on gawker outlets.
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>>52931329
Except cosmetic surgery isn't healthcare.
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>>52930746
I hate to say but i am. Liberty is actually not bad, but stupid fucking sjws ruined it.
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>>52931329
if you're paying for sex changes then you are buying into and agreeing with socially liberal gender politics.
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>>52931361
Apparently it's partially covered in Australia's system, and the rest is subsidised.
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>>52931372
No you're not, you're putting your money into a giant pot and allowing qualified doctors to send it wherever its needed. If the doctors decide that gender reassignment deserves some infinitesimally small fraction of that money, then whatever, there's more important things to worry about.
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>>52931082
At least your honest, good on you. Have some boobs.
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>>52931400
>kek
>thank you anon
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>>52931361
It absolutely is
>>52931372
bullshit. Gender dysphoria is an absolutely real condition, and over and above that, it is every person's right to look whatever way they wish to; the only reasonable limit is set by what amount can be conscionably expended on granting this to them. For example, a person with disfiguring—but non-disabling—burn scars on their face, could reasonable request "cosmetic surgery" to reduce the impact. A person with a large birthmark under one eye could reasonably request a procedure to deal with it. A person who wishes to appear female could reasonably request a surgery to make them appear more female. This is not the sort of issue I am addressing.
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>>52931241
What the fuck do you mean by capitalism is justifiable? Free market is the only worthwhile system that hasn't immediatly gone to shit
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>>52930746
no, i am highly conservative
i believe that western culture has brought about nothing but degeneracy
i am ashamed that Australia is even slightly westernized
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>>52931464
Back to your authoritarian shithole.
>>>/china/
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>>52931464
There was no time following white settlement that Australia wasn't 'westernized'.

And honestly if you hate it so much, why haven't you left?
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>>52931443
>being this cucked
>believing you can be a chick born with a dick
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>>52931462
That's simply untrue, and even if we granted the claim that capitalism is the only functional method of distribuition, it would still only be ethical to perpetuate so far as it served the people. It is unacceptable, from any civilized viewpoint, to coerce someone to enrich another. Note that this is distinct from compelling a person to contribute to a social system that provides for the welfare of any who require it, despite what free-market zealots would have you believe
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>>52931464
mfw there is actually a fellow conservative on /g/
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>>52931496
You can have a y chromosome and exhibit male physical characteristics, and still wish that this was not the case, as a result of mental pathology or personal preference, and it is reasonable to provide support for someone who exhibits soundness of mind and wishes to alter said characteristics if they cannot provide it for themselves.
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>>52930905
ansoc actually, but some of pol was libertarian which were cool enough guys.

the natsoc fags are insufferable though.
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>>52931443
would boob jobs be under your plan?
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>>52931545
>It is reasonable to provide support and encourage someone born with a mental disability
>man born with being attracted to kids
>we don't encourage pedophilia
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>>52931565
Yes, provided they were necessary, or were low-risk/low-cost enough so as not to compromise a more necessary procedure. Degree of necessitude would have to be assessed on a case-by-case basis, of course, but I have nothing against cosmetic—even purely recreational—surgery
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>>52931570
It is reasonable to provide support, such as therapy, medication, and diversionary activities, to someone with a mental disorder that predisposes them to harm others
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>>52931615
Correct, but not to have a sex change surgery and hormones to make said person more like the gender that said person "feels like they are"
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>>52931659
Gender Identity Disorder is defined in the standard psychology/psychiatrist handbook DSM IV as a disease. Why shouldn't it be treated the same as any other illness, despite having been hugely politicised by socially conservative people?
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>>52931659
Sure it is. Why not? So long as they are of sound mind while making the choice, or suffering from an intractible condition that prevents them from being satisfied with their appearance, why shouldn't support be provided to someone who wishes to alter their body?
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>>52931678
Do we treat sufferers of schizophrenia by acknowledging their delusions?

No, I didn't think so.
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>>52931691
we certainly do—we acknowledge that they experience those perceptions, and give them coping mechanisms to deal with them, and if a medical procedure could reduce the intensity and frequency of those delusions it would be unethical to refuse it to them if they requested it while in a stable frame of mind.
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>>52931678
Because you don't treat a mental illness which makes some people believe they are Napoleon by having them go through surgery to make their body fit their distorted self-concept.
You treat that with pills and therapy.
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>>52931691
>>52931712
We treat them using the generally accepted treatment protocol which is medication. The generally accepted treatment protocol amongst medical professionals for GID is surgery. If there was medication that made GID go away, I'm sure that would be prescribed instead.
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>>52931678
It should be treated as other illnesses not
> we are so proud of out for coming out
> here we can chop off your Rick and balls so you can pretend to be a chick
> please tell me you don't think that is a normal thing to remove your sex organs
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>>52931710
But we sure don't call them jesus and slay our firstborn children in their honor. What you're suggesting is reinforcing the delusions instead of supplying them with the treatment they need to make them stop (in this case antipsychotics).
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>>52931712
What if they want to look like napoleon, even after going through therapy and treatments to deal with their self-perception as napoleon? Is there anything necessarily wrong with providing a napoleon costume to them, if it makes them happier and more comfortable in their daily life?
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>>52931744
This guy gets it
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>>52931744
No, because that requires us to do harm to others. That would not be justifiable. However, if they wished to dress like jesus, and wear long hair, so long as this choice was made of sound mind or because it alleviated their symptoms to do so, that would be fine.
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>>52931744
>instead of supplying them with the treatment they need to make them stop
That doesn't exist for GID

>>52931755
no he doesn't and neither do you
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>>52931846
Why not give them testosterone instead of estrogen if they were born with an abnormal amount to begin with?(for guys)
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>>52931846
>That doesn't exist for GID
Yes it does. It's called stop pretending a person with a Y chromosome is a woman. The number of gender changes is exploding exponentially. You can't honestly believe that there were originally this many closeted people out there, were you? It's an acquired social habit that's now spreading like wildfire.
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uhm yeah...

social justice all the way shitlord
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>>52931897
>You can't honestly believe that there were originally this many closeted people out there, were you
It's not really for you or I to determine that. The best person to determine that is the one that's doing it now, a psychiatrist with a medical degree. It's great that you have an opinion about how prolific diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria or GID is, but it's completely irrelevant.
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>>52931930
No, it's entirely relevant. Look at the increasing numbers of people having this procedure done vs the historical indications of how many were unsatisfied with their born gender. There were not originally this many closeted people, ergo transgenderism is a transmissable social disorder like drug addiction.
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>>52931989
>There were not originally this many closeted people, ergo transgenderism is a transmissable social disorder like drug addiction.

That's an absolutely ridiculous conclusion to come to. There's so many other factors that have changed - there wasn't even diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria until the past decade or so, how could we possibly know how many people were out there with it without being able to diagnose it? The procedure has also become far more sophisticated, it's equally possible there were many diagnosed individuals were out in society, but unwilling to seek treatment due to low quality of surgical outcomes. I could go on all day. Picking one possible conclusion because it agrees with your biases is ridiculous.
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>>52931348
please run for an office so I can vote for you.
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>>52932028
I fail to see how that's a better explanation given that it relies even moreso on supposition to support your biases towards advocating for this disorder.

Let's look at this another way: there's a similar psychological condition known as "Body Identity Disorder," though not nearly as widespread as GID because it doesn't have groups advocating for it. People with BID decide that arbitrary parts of their body are not actually part of their true selves and seek to have them removed through surgical means. This is considered a serious psychological condition because it causes the sufferers to perform self harm through body modifcation and mutilation.

Now, is gender modification not a form of self mutilation? These people are cutting entire organs out of their bodies and replacing them with cobbled together bits of fat and skin. They take hormones which their body isn't designed accept at the biological level, introducing medical problems like severe risk of blood clots and also personality changes. That is not healthy or natural.
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>>52931734
That's not true. Psychiatrists do not recommend sex change to GID patients. That's why the decision about hormone medication is delayed until close to puberty. They are hoping that by that time GID patients will have grown out of their distorted gender self-concept. Which happens in most cases, patients just grow out of their delusion and accept they're just ordinary homosexuals.
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Isn't the whole transgender thing really sexist?
I mean, I never thought of gender until it was invented a few years ago.
Before that, gender was a less confusing way to say sex.
I have boy parts => I am a boy.
Now it has something to do with how you feel or act?
How is this different from a school yard bully calling me a pussy or a girl or something when I refuse to help him beat up other kids?
Even if you want to wear a dress, you should be confident enough that you are a dude who can wear a dress.
Making him a woman takes away all that is special about him.
A woman who is good at business and succeed in a mans world, would not be called a man, that would take away some of her accomplishments.
And why are these people targeting children?
Being a child is confusing enough, suggesting to someone impressionable that they have to take hormones as soon as possible or they will miss their window to look like the other gender is a cruel form of abuse.

The only good thing I can see they have done is pushing for more unisex toilets in public. I really don't care about that, but if it makes someone less awkward, let them.
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>>52931746
But the reality is that they're not Napoleon. Just like transsexuals do not become the opposite sex by undergoing sex change. Their genetics don't lie.
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>>52931103
Liberty from the government not from mean people who hurt our feelings or scare us.
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>>52931443
Gender dysphoria is s mental illness. Not a condition. Same withe species dysphoria and that other thing where people maim themselves to feel normal. Limb displacement syndrome or some shit
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>>52931526
Then name a system that has worked and has left room for prospering industries and not Fucked everyone into poverty.
Also
>unethical
You mean immoral. Its highly ethical to make money off of misfortune.
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>>52932230
It's really mostly about homosexuals trying to escape the usual social stigma by changing sex and so blending in with the environment. After all, it's harder to be a man than it is to be a woman and on top of that faggots get extra hardship. So the easy way out is to pretend you're a female and so not be expected to go thru the usual hardship of becoming a grown man.
Secondly, I suspect it also has to do with self-fetishising your body giving you enhanced pleasure, so there's also the fetishistic component which we know it's hard to eradicate.
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>>52931526
>to coerce someone to enrich another
Nobody forces you to do anything. You don't have to spread wealth if you don't want to and you don't have to take wealth from anybody you don't want to either. True free markets are the most natural economic system for humankind.
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>>52932357
Except true free markets are an oxymoron because the moment you set big business loose, it pushes for regulation to squeeze out competition and entrench itself.
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>>52932389
>True free market is a oxymoron
>Free markets are regulated markets.
In a true free market regulations would be minimal regulation and hopefully government wouldn't pander for money. Thats not a result of the free market but of a corrupt government.
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>>52932418
>hopefully government wouldn't pander for money
So basically a true free market is impossible, because this will never happen. Even with publicly funded elections you can't stop a government from trying to gain an advantage through seeking private money. That's unless you legislate that it's illegal, and who controls the legislations? The very people you're trying to legislation. A pure free-market unfettered by government regulation is fantasy.
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>>52931152
Israel is America's worst friend. No country have attacked America more times unprovoked than Israel ( stuff likt the USS Liberty incident where Israel attacked and killed 100+ US soldiers in a attempt to get USA involved in the war. They tried to pretend they were egyptian, but the US soldiers on the boat recognized it as israeli so it was leaked out. And the Lavon Affair where Israeli Mossad agents in Egypt tried to kill American tourists and bomb American schools in a attempt to blame it on the muslim brotherhood, but they got caught in the act, the participants later got a medal for their work (in 2007 or somehing) even if they did not murder as many americans as intended.)

And Israel is completely devoid of any moral consideration. It is a country founded on theft and all politics is about how to get away with more theft.
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>>52932418
But you're neglecting the fact that in a free market with individual rational business actors, it's in those actors interests to corrupt the government in their favor.
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>falling for the free market meme
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>>52931292
Sex change is not something that should be covered by public healthcare and neither is plastic surgery (except after accidents, wars, crime and fires)
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>>52932354
You live on another planet if you think being gay carries more stigma than being transgender. You're just making shit up.
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>>52931329
>Universal healthcare is all or nothing, at least that's how its implemented around the world. You don't pick and choose which parts you want to fund.

Not here in norway I don't think. sex change and other cosmetic nonsense is not covered. You might get pills if you are judged insane enough to get hormone replacement, but that's it. You won't get a mangled penis so you can call it a vagina.
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This was a refreshingly good thread where people can debate the merits of issues without idiots screaming
>lel make Trump god emperor XDDDDD

Good night /g/. Please keep up the good work.
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>>52931064

Agreed. Obama hasn't done anything but expand the Patriot Act and if it weren't for their reckless disregard for boarders and multiculturalism we would hardly need the patriot act in the first place.

Don't even get me started on these SJWs trying to control and censor everything and Bernie Sanders commies trying to steal money form hard working American citizens and giving it to people who haven't earned it and don't deserve it. Liberals are the worst people in the world.
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>>52932551
I actually forgot I was on /g/ for a while with all the punctuation, full sentences, and absence of shitposting
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>>52932354
I think it is separate from sexuality.
The fetishistic part is definitely there and I can sort of understand that part.
Dressing up is really something that boost your self esteem.

I don't question the action to wear a dress.
I question the need to be called something you are not.
People should fine with who they are.
If they are a man who like girly things, be that. But why change the definition of gender?
It reduces people to a label and perpetuate the notion that people should act a certain way to be "real men" or "real women". It enforces gender stereotypes and uses them to define people rather than letting people be.
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>>52931491
i'm working on it buddy, i accidentally committed to an education here but i'm leaving asap
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>>52930746
no
personally I'm right wing enough to make thatcher look like a communist
but of course, this isn't the place to discuss that
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>>52931846
It does actually. Its just apologetic.cunts like you encourage this shit rather than actually help them. You are part.of the problem.
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>>52932490
Except traps think once they change their sex, nobody can tell they aren't really women. So they kinda live entertaining that dream of becoming a woman both from a social and sexual point of view. Needless to say that rarely happens as dreamed.
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>>52932611
Because imagining themselves as women is what turns them on? What does that have to do with enforcing stereotypes, traps love stereotypes, it's what makes them tick.
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>>52932871
Gunna need some source because I can't find any medical reference to treating GID. I searched online, what i find is all about transitioning out mitigation (like cross dressing but not sec reassignment) and psychotherapy for the transition/mitigation.
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>>52933144
*transitioning or mitigation
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>>52930905
>>52931549
>>52931257
>>52931348
>2016
>being a socialist
Socialism is that cancer that is killing society.
pic related is your average "anti-authoritarian socialist"
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>>52933288
Kek I thought that was Wigald Boning from the thumbnail.
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>>52933288
>>52933313
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>>52931160
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Download_Valley
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>>52932438
>that pic
jej, saved
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>>52930746
>startpage
>not searx.me with free sources
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>>52937452
>good results
>not shitty results with free sources
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>>52938668
>implying i don't get better results than you
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>Liberals keep confusing business with government regulation or crony capitalism
When will this meme end?
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