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Why is everyone interested in self driving cars? The only buyers will be amerifat suburban commuters since enterprises don't want the added insurance cost of eliminating drivers (same has proven true for railroads, sealines, airlines, etc). It's the biggest tech meme.
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Maybe because it's safer than regular cars? Self-driving cars don't get sleepy or distracted or do stupid things.
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>>52917997

in theory, at least
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>>52917980
I think the biggest tech meme is demanding tech always stay the same. Honestly, /g/ is the biggest tech meme. There really is no forethought or excitement for the future, only whining that it's different than a Thinkpad.
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I can't get a driver's license because of my eyes.

It should be obvious why I'm interested.
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>>52918477

buy better glasses
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>>52918502
That's not the problem. Not the main problem, at least.
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>>52917980
Old people. The average age of every first world country (and most developing countries, for that matter) is increasing, and enforcing stricter driver licensing laws on them is politically unviable, since old people actually go out and vote. Self driving cars will let Grandma goto church & the grocery store with out being a danger to everyone else.
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>>52918477
use public transport
>murrican
oh right, you don't have such thing... precisely because car makers have managed to destroy it
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>>52917980
>added insurance cost of eliminating drivers
Bullshit
Insurance companies like customers that don't have accidents. Self-driving cars don't have accidents.
See where I'm going with this ?
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>>52918535
I use public transport. That's quite the shitty workaround, though. 2 hours to get home instead of 35 minutes, which is how long it would take with a car.
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>>52918548
> Self-driving cars don't have accidents.
I'm sure there will be tons of accidents, especially on snow and ice and rain
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>>52918535
We have it in some areas, but we have too many negroes & spics in our cities to make it a viable option for civilized people. You euros will figure this out as you import more muslims.
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>>52918571
Ideal conditions for human drivers too. For insurers to like self driving cars they only need to be better than humans.
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>>52918571
this >>52918580
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>2016
>actually wanting to drive a car yourself
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>>52918580
A machine in this era will never be better since they can't adapt to unknown conditions unless its been programmed in. And even then, whats programmed in will suck ass, like the voice command bullshit we have.
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Because owning my own cab and cab driver would be sweet as fuck

Also less drunk driving is always a good thing

And I wouldn't almost get creamed on my bicycle like I did last week when some lady blew through a one-way intersection going the wrong way while side traffic had the green
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>>52918597
Driving is fun when it's on a country road or hills or whatever, but commuting isn't.
A car that can drive itself but still can be driven is perfect
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>>52918616
>what is machine learning
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>>52918616
>it'll be bad because I know how programmers will code in the future
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>>52918644
so-called machine learning or "deep learning" is a marketing buzzword. Its not entirely clear how it works, but Nvidia sure as hell likes to shill it.
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>>52918659
No, its a clearly defined scope of research, and researchers know exactly how it works.
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>>52918683
no, i'm 100% sure its a marketing buzzword. This is coming from someone who programs professionally.
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>>52918659
just because you are too moronic to understand it doesn't mean that it's not being used RIGHT NOW in driverless cars

There actually isn't that much information hardcoded into the driverless cars, it's all MLA from enormous amounts of data collected from human drivers
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>>52918659
>cutting edge ai development that goes over my head is a buzzword

This is how you sound.
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>>52918701
It's okay to be 100% wrong sometimes, but only if you learn from your mistakes.
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>>52918659

>it's not entirely clear how it works

are you retarded
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>>52918659
>>52918701

You do realize we understand perfectly well how MLA's work and the difficult part is refining the algos so that they don't overfit the existing data?
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Cripples, retards and lazy fucks.

I understand that some people may not be able to drive properly and are better off using a self driving car for their everyday transportation.

But think about the many able-bodied douches and bitches that will clutter streets and highways just to get to the McDonald's drive-thru or buy some irrelevant item at the grocery store.

The technology is really cool, but be prepared to cringe when they become commonplace and people start to use it in stupid ways, like people usually do with all technology ever.
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>>52918720
>just because you are too moronic to understand it doesn't mean that it's not being used RIGHT NOW in driverless cars
its a buzzword. Remember that video from last month with GeoHot where he made the driverless car and just analyzed some frames to "learn" from the cars around it? Yeah. Thats all that deep learning boils down to, analyzing some snapshots and then comparing them to past snapshots. But, that doesnt "sound" the same for "investors"

Come on /g/...you're not this retarded, are you?
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>Better than regular public transport
>Basically a moving living room
>It's yours and you can drink/smoke/chill while getting places
>Can come pick/drop me and find parking on it's own
>Should be relatively cheap as google almost never charges for software

I literally have wet dreams about having one.
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>>52918824
>GeoHot == thousands of programmers with millions of dollars of budget
ok
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>>52918572
>>52918556
if you had less cars and less social segregation, more people would use public transport and you'd probably have a much better system

>>52918571
cars have many other kinds of issues, too... and so does software
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>>52918886
What does this mean? Nvidia has a huge interest in making as much money as they can, off of this one buzzword and putting some glorified gpu in a car. Literally billions are at stake for them to push their agenda and buzzwords
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>>52918824
Yeah, but, you know, without having to explain all the things it "just is", we have a term for it.

It isn't an obfuscating buzzword, it's a name for something.

So you don't have to say "a four-legged animal that's supposedly a man's best friend", and say dog.

We don't need to talk like a gameshow.
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>>52918070
yes.
Self driving cars doesn't fall asleep in theory.
Why would you think someone would program that into the system?
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My girlfriend is legally blind, meaning that if something happened while I was at work, she couldn't get to the hospital without paying a gorillian dollars for an ambulance. If something happened to the dog, she would have to find a pet taxi that wouldn't take 45 minutes to get here.
Self driving cars would allow everyone to get where they need to be quickly, safely, privately, and cheaply.
Hating self driving cars is like manual transmission fanboyism 2.0.
> muh pure driving experience
> muh skill behind the wheel
>muh thinly veiled elitism
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>>52918964
>if something happened while I was at work, she couldn't get to the hospital without paying a gorillian dollars for an ambulance
>America
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>>52918945
>Yeah, but, you know, without having to explain all the things it "just is", we have a term for it.
its a buzzword meant to sell nvidia car-gpus to people with no idea that they're getting swindled. Look at any presentation by Hwang at trade shows to see how disgusting this is.
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>>52917980
I'm all for self driving cars, but why didn't google solve an easier and most common annoyance like trains?

It's a much simpler system, and so much of it is already computerized.

"Self-driving" trains and metro trams would be so good, and probably drive accidents, strikes and prices down.

I don't see why not
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>>52918964
just kill your girlfriend m8, sounds like a liability at this point anyways
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People are interested in self driving cars because the younger generations are becoming more and more full of cucks who want to give up all the joys of life for more convenience. It takes a true cuck to not enjoy driving a vehicle and wanting a computer to drive you as you sit there looking at your phone. This is the future. Cucks will wake up and either ride share to work or ride in their small self driving car to work. At work they will sit in a cubicle for 9 hours staring at a screen or multiple screens. After work they will ride in their self driving car 15 minutes back to their 800 sq ft apartment in the city. They'll also be on call for work 24/7 thanks to self driving cars, smartphones, tablets, etc.
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>>52918993
You are thick aren't you
>companies are using it therefore it's a buzzword
I suppose "beautiful" and "design" are buzzwords too ? What about "mileage" or "computer" ?

>>52918997
Can't say for other cities, but Paris already has self-driving metro cars
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>>52918477
If you don't have a drivers licenses you won't be allowed to drive a "self driving" car anytime soon. Self driving cars are not and will not be autonomous even in 20 years because there are way too many situations that require human input to resolve.
Communication with human beings, interpreting other human being's intentions and improvisation is mandatory for a human driver but a computer sucks at those things.
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>>52918964
>gorillian dollars for an ambulance

Is this actually a thing in America?

Why would ANYONE who isn't super rich not want healthcare?
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>>52918997
They already have to fight the government in multiple cities to get google fiber there, additionally fighting them over public transport would be quite hellish.
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>>52919043
yeah dude, people pay thousands for a single ride
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>>52919031
why are you getting so upset, nvidiashill? Deep learning is a marketing buzzword for comparing a series of images. Its been made to sound like its ALIVE and it LEARNS but it doesnt do a any of these things. Images are compared in a function, probably written in C++, on their ridiculously expensive car-gpu that they want to get integrated into every car company that will fall for this
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>>52918976
Yes, America. I had to get an ultrasound on my nuts a few months ago, was in the hospital for 2 hours, only actually receiving care for 30 minutes and got a bill for 996 dollars. 60 bucks for the ultrasound, 600 for the room I was in, and 330 for a "detailed consultation". The doctor told me "uh, I have no idea why your balls hurt. Come back if it gets worse".
This system is fucked.
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>>52919054
They didn't have to take over, they could sell it as a product or as a service.

Trust me, every city loves money. If it's cheaper and more reliable they don't wanna fight it.
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>>52919065
What the hell are you on about
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>>52919043
>gorillian
>Is this actually a thing
So is common core the standard in your country or some shit? lmao
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>>52919078
Sometimes when I think my country is shit, I look at other countries and feel a lot better
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>>52918946
better battery life
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>>52918533
Not just grandma but Asians too.
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>>52918701
oh shit ok sorry for not taking your shitty opinion seriously
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>>52919080
>They didn't have to take over
Right, but that's not the way the government will see it - much like taxi drivers haven't viewed uber as a new platform and have been trying to fight them forever.

It's not really cheaper though right now. The infrastructure cost needed to implement the systems on such a large scale would be pretty costly. Pretty sure they wouldn't mind letting a couple people die instead.
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>>52919081
you know exactly what I'm on about, my position hasnt changed
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>>52919078
No health insurance?
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>>52919122
>you know exactly what I'm on about
I don't think you even know what you're on about
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>>52919136
shoo, shill
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>>52919078
>goes to shit doctors
>doesn't even talk to them to try and find proper results
>just bends over for them even though you're paying for it

Americans everyone, complete and utter pushovers.
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>>52919095
I hope microsoft never gets their brown hands on a real time system like a self driving car.
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>>52919142
>shill
I didn't even mention a single company, you have
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>>52918556
in the UK public transport generally reaches equilibrium with private because people stop trying to drive when there are jams every morning on the way into London and seek out alternatives.

Places like Germany and Switzerland public transport is just clearly better and cheap as fuck/
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>>52918580
Insurers don't actually give a fuck. Lower risk means lower premiums.
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>>52919158
It doesnt matter
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>>52918548

Self driving car = no operator

no operator = more risk

Every other mode of transport hasn't automated for exactly this reason. Railroads, sealines, and airlines all still require operators because if something were to go bad (and given the scale of each mode, things inevitably will), not having an operator means lots of money lost in damages that could otherwise be pinned on operator error.

Seriously, even railroads, which operate in one dimension, don't automate because one fuck up means a crash and lost money.
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>>52919123
Had expired the month prior, since I had just gotten a new job.
Also, don't you see anything fucked up with the idea that you should pay a monthly fee to one group of jews so that they can outjew another group of jews when you get hurt? Here's an idea: hospitals should just charge a fair price.

Fun fact, the 996 dollar bill I got was AFTER they "adjusted it" for my income, by cutting it in half.
They wanted to charge me almost $2000 for an ultrasound and a doctor to tell me he had no idea what the problem was. I make much better money now, and can pay this bill off easily, but I refuse. I won't get fucked over like that.
>>52919143
I haven't paid a dime, and I told them so. Now I just gotta wait till a THIRD group of jews determines that my credit score should plummet. :^)
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>>52918964

>Hating self driving cars is like manual transmission fanboyism 2.0.

M/T cars are objectively better. It's only Americans that don't use them for everything.
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>>52919223
Found the faggot. Keep working that shaft, anon, it's not gay at all.
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>>52918875

>>Should be relatively cheap as google almost never charges for software

you realize that google, if they are serious, will just license their tech out to the big three right? Why bother competing when you can just make money doing nothing. It'd also be an addon you'll have to pay $100/year or whatever to Onstar to use.
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>>52919239

spot the clapistani
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>>52919204
>no operator = more risk
But that's wrong
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>>52919244
Yeah, just like you pay for Android.
Oh wait, really you don't pay anything for that.
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>>52919204

seriously this, self-driving cars only appeal to fat suburbanites that have 60+ minute commutes since they'll readily pay money to avoid driving
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>>52917980
computers don't have an irrational hatred for cyclists
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>>52918946
>program
>implying intentional functionality
yo do know that majority of tech-related problems are unintentional shit
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>>52919337
Not yet anon, not yet.
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How can a self driving car follow the instructions of a police officer at a blocked road or accident scene?
How can a self driving car make decisions in unforeseen situations like a lorry reversing the wrong way on a one-way street?
How about interpreting if a parking space is legal?
How about that drunk guy lying in the middle of the street at night?

A computer has to be able to solve 100% of these kind of situations if self driving cars to be truly autonomous and not be like google cars that require a sober person with a drivers licenses behind the wheel at all times.
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>>52919354
Not really, majority of tech related problems are people that don't know shit and press buttons anyway.
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>>52919365
Police officers will soon be robotic as well.
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>>52919276

It's not wrong. No operator means that if there's a software glitch (and all software has glitches), then there's an accident. But as an operator aide, the operator simply corrects where the program fails.

Even if it's just 1 failure in 10,000 that's easily 1000 failures for every major metro area and 32000 for the entire US. And every at fault accident will cost the owner of the vehicle money, even if they had no way of controlling the vehicle themselves. That's a larger risk, one which Jews (insurance companies) will charge for.

Again, look at every other mode of transport. Totally eliminating the operator is virtually impossible.
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>>52919204

'Operator error' isn't a magical incantation that makes your liability go away. Companies end up paying for employee errors all the fucking time.
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>>52919405

no shit sherlock, I never claimed that it makes liability disappear. But in the majority of cases (aka the ones you don't hear about) the employee is blamed and fired. The company might even get an insurance payout to cover their losses.

Think about every fender bender a truck might get into just through random chance. Under normal circumstances the driver is blamed, fined/demerited, and life continues. But with a self-driving car the company itself automatically takes on the blame so then they are fined directly.
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>>52919402
Software glitches happen way less often that people doing dumb shit
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>>52919440
But nobody gets arrested **optimism**
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>>52919450

But they still happen. And, when they do happen, the company is blamed and not the dumb driver.

>>52919459

what?
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>>52919479
>when they do happen, the company is blamed and not the dumb driver.
Do you live under a rock ? When accidents happen due to human error, the dumb driver might get blamed but the company is the one who will get sued
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>>52919479
>what?
If you're in your autonomous vehicle and it crashes into something and the police officer comes over, they cant arrest you. It was a software error. This will lead to fewer crimes
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>>52919495

>When accidents happen due to human error, the dumb driver might get blamed but the company is the one who will get sued

Only if it's proven that they were negligent. In most cases, they can point to driver negligence and be free of liability. The person can then sue the driver in a civil claims court. In effect, they can knock liability down to the driver. This changes if there is no driver, in which case the company is held directly liable (unless they can prove negligence on part of the manufacturer).

The company is only sued if, say, they knew the driver was acting negligently (or didn't pass safety exams or something) but still let them drive.

>>52919506

>they cant arrest you. It was a software error.

I never claimed anything about getting arrested. I'm talking about money. The driver may be free of criminal charges, but they will still have to pay damages since they are the owner of the vehicle that crashed.
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Driving when respected and rules followed, can be very safe and relaxing.It's also very fun. For driverless if it becomes very big very soon id like to have it take an option for "randomly driving around the city for x minutes" for chillin moments
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>>52919601
>In most cases, they can point to driver negligence and be free of liability
>America
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>>52919601
> they will still have to pay damages since they are the owner of the vehicle that crashed.
so you'll still get cuffed and booked? What the FUCK is the point then?
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>>52919097
M8
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>>52919628

It makes sense if you think about it. In a court, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. It would take a lot to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a company is responsible for every fender bender and accident they have. In most cases, it boils down to the company overworking or otherwise knowingly letting a bad driver drive.

Now when you remove the driver, this whole thing is voided since the company (the owner) is directly held liable for the damages their vehicles cause in all cases. Which means none of them are going to do full automation precisely because that's not a cost they want to take.

I use the example of railroads since RRs have had automation tech since the mid 60s, but don't use it because that would mean after every accident they would automatically get blamed. This costs money. Notice how in the Amtrak crash last year the blame was placed on the driver, and not the computerized braking system the train he was driving used.
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>>52917980
Because driving is a chore? People get paid to do that, you know.
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>>52919679

No, they would not. The driver would not be arrested in the first place since they would have committed no crime.

But that's only criminal law. In civil courts the owner of the vehicle still has to pay damages since they are the owner of the vehicle and thus take on the liability. With enterprises, they can effectively kick this liability down to individual drivers instead of taking it on themselves.

Do you get what I'm saying?
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>>52919697
>driving is a chore
Maybe if you drive a soulless shit box
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>>52919847
Every box is equal in a traffic jam. And even out of town I'd gladly spend the time doing something else.
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Inb4 self driving cars become standard
Inb4 insurance companies start to impose stiff penalties for having manual control for more than a certain % of drive time.
Inb4 manual control becomes more of a hot button issue than gun control
Inb4 a radical subculture based on manual control develops
Inb4 this subculture pushes the envelope of manual control
Inb4 manconts gets corrupted into "madcunts"
Inb4 madcunts merge with gun nuts
Pic related is the future
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fact 1
driverless cars won't make human drivers disappear, if anything licensing standards will just increase which is better across the board
fact 2
driverless transport of any kind is a good thing, less taxing on humans to perform tasks like driving, where even if you're 100% right all the time, some idiot will still fuck you over - now they have more mental capacity to focus on other tasks, like being productive at work instead of using 4chan all day
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Obviously I want to shitpost and watch animu while commuting instead of having to drive.
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The coolest thing about driverless cars is that it means a lot less cars will be needed overall since they can drive themselves between customers. That means a lot less traffic infrastructure and cheaper transportation for everyone.
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>>52918548
>like customers that don't have accidents.

It is the car that is insured, not the driver. The insurance policy on the car merely states who is allowed to drive it. Since driverless cars have no driver then the question must be asked, who is liable for accidents and that inevitably means "the owner". This obviously has very serious implications for the hire car and taxi industry, not to mention delivery companies and anyone who owns a large fleet of commercial vehicles
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>>52920569
>call car
> it shows up full of hobo shit and drug paraphernalia
UTOPIAN DREAM
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>>52919909
Not if you lane split on a motorbike
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>>52920569
>sharing a car that strangers had scat sex in
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>>52921356
>>52921456

You don't need to share your car with strangers, just go in with a few friends

There's no reason you couldn't treat it like a credit union if your group wanted to buy a few cars to make sure demand was met

If someone fucks up, kick em out

Why do millenials always assume the power has to be in a corporation or the government's hands?
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>>52917980
What a cuck car.
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>>52921502
Fuck that, I like owning my own car and doing what I want with it
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