What is your excuse for ever siding with jews?
As is Intel, and many others. These are multi-national conglomerates that have all manner of stations in every corner of the world, from marketing to R&D to manufacturing and distribution. They are chinks, spics, niggers, jews, gondola, nazis, pajeets, dindus and everything in between. What's your point?
>tfw your home computer has no purpose for anything more than 8 cores
>tfw with 32 cores, each core will likely be less efficient/slower than an intel core
>tfw my almost 2 year old quad core intel cpu will be faster than this
>What is your excuse for ever siding with jews?
you fucking idiots always fall for the marketing newspeak
"up to" is "guaranteed not to exceed" you fucking imbeciles; if they put out a 2-core CPU, it qualifies
what I want to see is "starting from 8 physical cores", that would mean something
Zen is reputed to be competitive with Broadwell, clock for clock, and 32 cores would be a considerable improvement over 20 for server workloads.
Note that indicates that Zen cores might be smaller than Skylake/Kaby Lake cores, which is contrary to what you might expect from the jump to SMT. Perhaps Keller worked his shit-wreckjng magic again.
Note that I think they're talking about the Opterons here. As far as I've seen, they're planning 4 and 8 core desktop parts (8 and 16 threads). Which is still very tempting if they're reasonable and competitively priced (something Intel haven't been doing recently, knowing how in the lead they've been).
For the anon up above wanting DDR3, not happening: DDR3 is obsolete and production is now winding down.
It's a pity it's landing in late 2016: I'm doing a new Skylake build this evening.
Fucking bullshit marketing
By the time it comes out it will be 2017.
Intel will release XX core CPUs before.
No enterprise with right mind is still using AMD CPUs and won't change with Zen.
AMD is not worth anything on the market.
>this much retardation
Intel Xeon release plans have already leaked and they will not breach 30 cores before 2018:
24 cores in 2016 (Broadwell-EX)
26 cores in H1 2017, i.e. the Zen competitor (Skylake-EP)
28 cores in later 2017 (Skylake-EX)
30-32 cores in 2018 (Cannonlake-EP)
>implying all cores scale equally good and server programs will make use of every single core.
If it were this easy, Intel would have made decacore CPUs by now.
Or looking in the mobile phone departement, Mediatek SoCs would dominate the benchmarks with their 10+ cores.
I really do hope Zen is competitive with Intel. Because right now Intel has no competition and zero incentive to innovate and progress. Maybe it'll force them to charge normal prices for their processors, too.
If Zen fails AMD will be in trouble. And we the consumers will be ass raped by Intel.
This 32 cores thing that's been floating around better be the consumer grade figure...
There is a class action lawsuit against Nvidia There is no way they can get out of it because they lied on their website and to journalists about the specs of their product. They can't just pretend it was an error and it took them 3months to notice it.
A high performance server APU will have up to 32 cores.
Zen is the name of the core architecture, it is not the name of a chip.
>actually being dumb enough to think AM3+ or FM2+ would receive new CPUs with how absurdly limited they are
They do, for some parts.
OP's pic isn't from AMD, or anyone of note for that matter. Just some nerd rehashing already available information into a slideshow presentation.
All upcoming Zen based consumer chips use socket AM4, the enterprise SKUs do not.
>Zen is reputed to be competitive with Broadwell, clock for clock,
No its not. This is reddit garbage from tech illiterate retards.
Lisa Su came out and said that their new line of Opterons would address 80% of the X86 market, meaning that they'd be competitive in 80% of common workloads for the market segment. In other words its not competitive in 20% of them which are undoubtedly anything FPU heavy.
Steamroller and Excavator are both massively far behind intel's latest arch in performance per clock. Sandy Bridge is nearly twice as fast as Excavator in some metrics.
By the time Zen is released, DDR4 will have 90% of new PC sales marketshare so you would have to buy new mobo anyway. I say its a perfect opportunity to change sockets. Besides, the socket will be unified for all AMD desktop products so this is going to be neat. This may boost APU sales because of upgradability to CPU+GPU later on and we may finally get to build beefier AMD based ITX rigs.
I really doubt that. If I were a betting man I'd wager my left nut that we'll have mobos for "ITX APU" builds and they'll have utter shit for power delivery and it'll blow up the very instant you will try running anything with any horsepower to it socketed in it. I don't think AMD will gain enough mainstream traction for companies to put out such niche products as powerful ITX boards.
They are advancing much in the category of amounts of cores in processors. Meanwhile, the retard programmers and developers fail to plan properly for multicore and can not even do develop programming languages excellent use that amount of cores.
I can't wait to see the applications of 32 cores in the hands of your normal consumer. I bet all the anime groups will finally switch to H265
Plus now every joe will be able to try his hand with neutral networks, because of the insane amount of multithreading
What's the point with having 32 cores when almost every program there is so poorly optimized that you're using one thread to do all the computing.
The whole problem with the current gen of AMD processors is that they get poor performance in real life because applications don't take advantage of all the available cores.
Those programs don't matter, if someone is buying a 32 core CPU, they must have their own suitable programs to use with all those cores.
There are plenty of industries that rely on hugely multithreaded CPUs to function
Your ms excel needs a lot of cores too
Chrome is heavily multithreaded, hence for web browsing too.
Streaming media to other devices.
With a suitable scheduler, it could make the general performance great too
It's nice and everything, but since much of software is compiled with Intel compilers, microcode optimizations will not kick in, meaning that every Intel compiler compiled program will run slower on AMD processors, rather than on Intel ones. Most of gaymes and commercial software are built with Intel build tools. It's painstaking to know that you have 32 cores, but many programs will just ignore them and disable all SSE features, seeing that you have an AMD core :(
It seems they are using 4 channel per die but it will scale to two dies per socket. The 32 processor version will be a dual 16 processor one in one socket. Think of what Intel did with early Pentium D and Core Quad designs.
Single die versions should be quad channel and only up to 16 cores.
It's probably one of those Phenom X12's that just didn't cut it and repackaged it as a Phenom X11.
I personally have been so disappointed by the current gen of AMD products that I will not buy from them again until there's actual word and evidence out there that shows it's not shit.
Wow, you're extremely fucking retarded. You don't know what you're talking about at all.
Servers run virtualised environments you fucking retard, and those who don't have server software which can quite easily scale over multiple CPU cores with worker threads.
Server software in general scales really well over many cores, as do compilers on compilation servers and servers for transcoding/encoding media also have real use for a lot of CPU cores.
Just please shut the fuck up and kill yourself. Your meme software on phones and vidya isn't a good example for the enterprise side of things
>Intel would have made decacore CPUs by now
They are up to 18 already. Besides, server motherboards usually have more sockets.
You do know an fx6300 will BTFO the phenom ii x4, overclock higher, and has updated instruction sets?
Your phenom ii x4 is more like an fx4300.
If they can indeed reach 40% that would be meaningful, see:
>Haswell to Skylake (DDR3): Average ~5.7% Up.
IBM is literally my fetish.
If there were a good dual socket 2U server or a BladeCenter that used these, I'd buy it as soon as I got the money.
I'd really love a mobo with two of these that's EATX.
IBM itself seems to be invested into Rack mounts instead of blades. Maybe another OpenPOWER partner could offer one, probably Cirrascale.
Who cares? I'm rooting for Zen, but 32 cores isn't a reason to buy one even if the engineers can pull it off (I'll believe it when I see it). You can get a 12 core Xeon, but they cost $1600+. A Zen chip with over 12 cores will be priced for a server, not a workstation.
I thought IBM sold their server and BladeCenter line to Lelnovo in 2014?
I'd definitely get one of these, but at those prices, wouldn't I just be better off getting a mainframe?
Depends on your workload, if it cant properly benefit from the Power architecture then there is no point.
They sold their x86 lines. Also they are now focusing more on licensing Power through OpenPOWER than doing the whole thing themselves.
Well, I guess that can make sense.
> Depends on your workload, if it cant properly benefit from the Power architecture then there is no point.
MUH OPEN SOURCE
That's actually one of the most exciting parts, actually.
> They sold their x86 lines. Also they are now focusing more on licensing Power through OpenPOWER than doing the whole thing themselves.
I still wish they didn't sell their fucking chip business to GlobalFoundries.
AMD adding more cores?
Colour me shocked.
Power is to x86 like x86 is to ARM. I cant imagine they fitting the Power architecture power envelope inside a portable form factor. Even if they did, it would probably not be an efficient solution.
Both the PS3 and the Xbox 360 use POWER chips.
They're fucking awesome. People made supercomputers or clusters with PS3s, even the US military. They got extremely mad when Sony stopped offering OtherOS on their PS3s.
Consoles have historically used custom power designs of some sort, notably so Nintendo. PS3 is actually a Cell microprocessor instead. None really compares to a smartphone or tablet. And that is probably the reason why Apple dropped them.
I also have a 955be.
>mfw my 6600k and z170 both arrived today
Too bad I've been too busy puking and shitting magma to install. This made it bearable, though.
Now I need pascal to hurry the hell up.
Ah shit, I completely forgot PS3s used Cell. I thought they used POWER.
Anyways, yeah, Apple dropped them because POWER was too hot, and they wanted more GHz (I think). However, those problems have largely been solved, seeing how there are 2U servers that are being released with them.
Cell is a cousin of the mainline POWER architecture.
>POWER8 in workstation format
>up to 12 cores (physical not logical)
Time to save up my neetbux.
I bet you anything that the lower end AM4 boards will support DDR3 or DDR3L. We have some H110 and Z170 motherboards that support 1.5V DDR3 even though Intel says it's not recommended.
>8 channels x 2 RAM sticks per channel x 128GB per stick
You do the math
Once Samsung starts mass producing 128GB ECC registered RAM sticks, I will make the ultimate RAM disk, cached into NVME PCIe drives.
So, since server Zen is 32-core, I think it's reasonable to say AMD's high end offerings are going to have 10 cores, and there will be that one chip with 2x the wattage that will have 16 cores.
Calling it now.
Any task that inherently parallel is better off on the gpu. As for the rest...
AMD still engages in the same business practices as Intel. They both have signed microcode updates in their processors and there is the Platform Security Processor.
If AMD is actually as bad as Intel by making unwanted features in their hardware, is there any reason to use AMD over Intel? Should people just go for the most powerful hardware?
I remember reading something late last year going over the problems with Intel's ME (pretty sure it was called Intel x86 Considered Harmful or something like that) but there wasn't as much about AMD's PSP and the stuff I could find seemed to indicate that it wasn't nearly as bad as Intel's ME for what could be compromised with it. Is there more information out there showing otherwise?
Pre-release version runs Debian, they still need to sort a number of things and optimize the software stack.
The most meaningful advantage of Power is the memory sub-system and I/O. If you need to deal with lots of data (like large databases) or big data structures (like large matrices) then there is no comparison. Data mining and ERP probably are the markets IBM has been marketing Power more aggressively to.
For Virtualization scenarios you would benefit from POWER if you used their firmware scheme, KVM has support for it:
They scale better to larger parallel workloads if you can parallelize your code correctly.
Power also offers lots of RAS capabilities like pic related.
As I recall there was already a tool out there that patches the cupid lookup of a runtime app. It's a beta though.
And they could always just change that line on the cpu to whatever Intel has it set to (which is what intel compilers check). If Intel sues them, they'll get fucked because it is proven that they create huge unfair advantage to their competitor.
can't wait to update the image sometime
Pcpartpicker isn't as reliable here. I've found better deals by actually checking the websites.
Also no point getting an i5 6500 when the i5 4460 is 70 dollars cheaper and just as fast. Almost.
>Implying that progress will come to a full stop at some point, so that picture won't ever be relevant again
There will be a time when there are 1024 cores, but there's no telling who will make the fastest processors then. If it's still not AMD then I guess they won't be around anymore.