>enjoy a relatively obscure but very powerful feature >

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>>52889818

I nevers used it

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Swallow your pride and install the addon.

i tried using it once and it was shit.

>implying there won't be an addon for snowflake users like op
>implying removing bloat that barely anyone used in the first place is bad

and this is why I left the boat when it was still floating

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>>52889885

>>52889862
Totally agree.
>>52889818
I used it very rarely but when i needed it it was there.

>>52889880
Well it kinda sucks, because mozilla foundation says that many features they removed are available as plugins or shoudl be redeveloped as a such. But plugins are mostly maintaned by wrong ppl or are just vaporware.
Also you begin to get problems with plugins mozillas answer is: you shouldn't run firefox with plugins. Like WTF mozilla?
> inb4 bait - it is not one

>>52889818
Honestly it seems like this is the theme for the 2010-2020 software era.... Makes me pretty sad :(

I'm still on firefox 38 and don't plan on updating

>>52889944
If you can program you may be able to get around the wrong people issue by just keeping it alive where it breaks.

>>52890192
>firefox 38
For what purpose? o.O

>>52890213
That's another meme.
I can progrma but i don't want to improve something that's gonna f-up my plugin support later in the pipeline.
Also it's not that big of a problem compared to mozilla actively discouragin using of plugins, and with more and more FFs features gone you NEED more and more plugins to run.

>>52889818
just install icecat and leave the ship

>>52890464
> i cecat

>>52889818
>he can't use extensions

>>52889818
When I saw that I turned off updates. I have like 100 tabs open in 6+ tab groups and I don't want to lose them.

>>52890653
>>52890612
>he can't use extensions either

>>52889818
What the fuck? I actually use this feature. Jesus, Mozilla, get your head in the game.

>>52890612
>>52890665
That are written for XUL, which is going to be discontinued.

>>52890653
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-groups-panorama/

why use it when tree style tabs is objectively superior

>>52889818
Thanks. This post reminded me to purge sjwfox from my computer and install based chromium

>>52889818

are they planning to rewrite firefox from scratch and want to make everything an extension to reduce the main code ?

I can't find an explanation for why this is happening .

Cause the people that did use it were telemetry off idiots that didn't want "nsa spying" .

>use firefox 36
>update to latest
>it's so fucking bad
>Not Google™ Chrome™: The Browser
>[screams internally]
>go back to 36
>never plan on updating again

This is why I quit Firefox months ago. They announced this a while back and I had simply had enough of Mozilla's bullshit. Tab Groups is one of the features I love to use. How much you wanna bet Live Bookmarks will be next; they'll probably spew some spiel about it confusing customers or being unnecessary because of RSS readers.

>>52890653
Your tabs would get converted into bookmarks.

>>52891081
Having features require upkeep and testing. Mozilla is basically poor as fuck because 90% of their revenue is coming from search engine deals and I can guarantee you that their deal with Yahoo isn't giving them as much money as the one from Google. They're going through a downsizing (developers, code, whatever) so they can stay afloat.

Firefox ain't done till your features won't run.

>>52890753
This is absolutely hilarious. It's like they're systematically tearing down all the reasons to use Firefox over Chrome. I'm starting to wonder if maybe Google sent in spies into Mozilla as developers and they're doing this on purpose so everyone will move to Chrome. Mozilla is on track to be completely irrelevant within the next year or two.

I never thought I'd be stuck using Palemoon as my main browser. How did it come to this?

>>52891230
>>52891230
>>52891230
>>52891230
>>52891230

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> /g/ sez firefox is bloat
> Mozilla removes features that are perfectly replaced by addons for those who want said feature
> /g/ sez firefox is dead

Does it ever end with you assholes?

>>52891358
>firefox is bloat
who has ever said that. Maybe some people have said ff with 50 addons is bloated, but no one has ever said the core of ff is bloated.

firefox is dead b/c since version 4, they have been doing everything they can to turn their browser into chrome. I would not be surprised if they went the way of opera and killed off their rendering engine soon. They remove useful features and conform to chrome. The mozilla philosophy is dead. Long live Pale Moon

I switched to pale moon because I got sick of mozilla switching shit up on every update. It gets pretty annoying desu.

>>52891418
>who has ever said that
I guess you missed the Hello and Pocket shitstorms. Yes, we know they're lazy loaded, but it still brought about a lot of discussion.

>I would not be surprised if they went the way of opera and killed off their rendering engine soon
They're on the way. Webextensions is meant to be compatible with existing blink APIs for extensions. Seems the idea is to provide redundancy with chrome extensions in order to kill mozilla add-ons. From there you can easily just drop gecko and replace it with blink.

>>52891102
This.
Exactly why tinfoil retards should contain themselves to St.Ignucius shitposting threads.

>>52891604
Speaking of which, I think it's hilarious that they're dropping all these features and telling people to switch to add-ons instead, and yet they still have Hello and Pocket as built-in shit.

When are they going to drop Hello and Pocket and make people install the add-ons instead?

>>52890262
Firefox ESR probably (is security updates only)

wtf is mozilla?

>>52891647
Never, Mozilla makes money from every person who subscribes to Pocket through the browser client. And Hello is just a gui for WebRTC, which is a W3C API and it's not going away.

>>52891629
I couldn't have said this better myself.

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>>52891230

> maybe Google sent in spies into Mozilla as developers

wat ?

>>52891102
>>52891629
>>52891737
The NSA can force companies to hand over data. Everything you've ever typed in Windows 10 including passwords and credit card numbers is sent to Microsoft. Google it.

>>52892068
They CAN, but that doesn't mean they WILL, Just because i CAN kill my neighbor, doesn't mean that i WILL

>>52892786
That's like putting a gun to his head and saying, "Don't worry bro, I totally won't kill you."

>>52892786
ya, okay, but in your analogy, the neighbor has already bought the gun and vat of acid in which to dissolve the body

>>52892786
>Oh, don't worry, I just have this giant cannon pointed at my neighbour's house
>I'm never going to use it, of course, so no need to worry ;-)

>>52889818
>Not using Tile tabs
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tile-tabs/
Why?

>>52891875
>Send Fat Black Womyn Designers with cobalt blue/ neon orange hair to spy mozilla
>They start making suggestions
>People agree because muh diversity

and that's how you destroy mozilla

>>52891358
Nice strawman, faggot.

Anyway, I don't care about Firefox any more. I switched to Chromium recently and it's fucking great. I'd avoided it for years because Chrome is botnet and media codecs weren't available for Chromium, but the latter problem has been fixed now. It's so much better than Firefox that I now see why so many people have embraced the botnet version.

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They're also removing built-in FTP support.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1174462

WTF?

After they do this, will we still be able to browse local folders like in pic related?

>>52897306
Chrome parity is the goal of the current Firefox devs. I know that "hurr Firefox is becoming Chrome" is a meme, but it's also literally true. All the bugs aimed at removing features are tagged chrome-parity and that's the aim. The single and only reason they wanted to remove FTP support (and plenty of other things) is because Chrome doesn't have it.

They seem to have backed down on removing FTP for now though, since it's WONTFIX at the moment. An extremely rare example of a dev seeing sense and slapping the idiot who suggested it down. Shame about all the others.

>>52897350
Thank god then.

At least for now.

Eh, I'm on 44 still. This weekend I'm updating to 45. I'll install the addon and go on with my life.

Tab groups caused me to hoard 600 tabs, 400 of those with porn. But it's a useful feature, nonetheless.

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>>52890800
>https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-groups-panorama/

What does this addon do?
Isn't this stuff already built in?
What would happen if I installed? Would I have two different interfaces for the same thing?

>>52897396
>What does this addon do?
Adds panorama aka tab groups feature to 45+
>Isn't this stuff already built in?
It's built-in up to 44, isn't starting with 45.
>What would happen if I installed? Would I have two different interfaces for the same thing?
I have no idea. Probably panorama addon would replace the built-in.

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>>52897566
Oh, thanks.
So it's basically all the Panorama features that are currently present in 44 (and below), just programmed into an addon?

Was this addon made by someone at mozilla (like the "Restore Classic Theme" one), or by a third party?

Will it be likely to cause problems, or it will work well like Panorama has in normal Firefox?

Sorry for the stupid questions. I'm slow.

>>52889818

Does Firefox even support MRU tab order anymore?

That was the worst goddamn thing about Chrome: no MRU tab. Alt-Tab does exactly what you expect. Ctrl-Tab always did exactly what you expect, too. Then Chrome came along.

>>52897624
>Sorry for the stupid questions. I'm slow.
Slowly read the text in the link you posted, then.

>File -> New Window
>start creating tabs in that window

I don't understand. What did tab groups do that warranted its own functoinality?

I'm against removing features even if "nobody uses it," mind you, but it seems like it was a rather unnecessary feature to have to begin with.

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>>52897706
Alright, thank you.

Apparently I'm retarded and didn't notice that body of text explaining stuff.

I apologise.

>>52897624
>So it's basically all the Panorama features that are currently present in 44 (and below), just programmed into an addon?
Yes, but it has additional features.
>Was this addon made by someone at mozilla (like the "Restore Classic Theme" one), or by a third party?
Third-party, but he probably used the original code.
>Will it be likely to cause problems, or it will work well like Panorama has in normal Firefox?
Time will tell.

>>52897754
Thank you Anon.

>>52897725
You could just as well use multiple windows with a single tabs.

It gives you one level of hierarchy more while not requiring new windows, which might ease up window management.

Also, it has a search feature, so you can go to panorama, type something, press enter and get the tab you want.

It also might use less resources, though I'm not sure.

If Firefox would adapt WebKit what would be so bad about that? Removes duplicated effort so Firefox devs can focus on extra features again, users dont care cause WebKit is the rendering engine that gets the most testing hours and support and web designers have one plattform less to worry about.

Seems win/win for everyone.

>>52891230
>I never thought I'd be stuck using Palemoon as my main browser. How did it come to this?
Because nobody else is willing to contribute to the development of browser technology. So where's your contribution?

>>52897810
>If Firefox would adapt WebKit what would be so bad about that?
1. Webkit is deprecated. I think you meant Blink.
2. Gecko has some features other engines don't have.
>devs can focus on extra features again
You mean, removing extra features?
If you remove people working on Gecko and XUL from Mozilla, you're left with UX faggots that conceived Australis, and you'll pretty soon get a 1:1 Chrome clone.
>users dont care
Firefox isn't for users that don't care. Chrome is for those.

>>52897903
>Webkit is deprecated. I think you meant Blink.

What? Blink is a fork of WebKit and only used by Chromium and its many rebrands. WebKit is still actively developed and used by Safari and plenty of other things.

>>52890820
underrated post

>>52897951
Blink is what Chrome uses, which is what most people use.

>>52897992
Do you know that the word "deprecated" means?

>>52889818
>enjoy a relatively obscure but very powerful browser
>developer discontinues it
>doesn't even release source code

No problem, there's an extension that is the same thing. It's way less bad compared to jewtube removing subscribtion lists.

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>>52898163
>jewtube removing subscribtion lists

WHAAT?

When?

>>52897951

Blink is way more popular than WebKit.

Can you name one actively developed WebKit-based browser for Windows? Of course not. But there are tons of Chromuim-based browsers.

Instead of removing features to be more like chrome, I don't understand why they don't thread each tab like chrome does. That's literally the only benefit of using chrome these days

>>52891139
>never plan on updating again
Enjoy you're unpatche vulnerabilities, extension imcompatability and poor web standards support.

>>52897306
>They're also removing built-in FTP support.
Honestly it's pretty shit at it anyway. Use a real FTP client instead, you'll be glad you switched.

>will we still be able to browse local folders like in pic related?
Yes.

>>52889944
>many features they removed are available as plugins
Yet somehow pocket and hello are in the main thing.
Fuck you, Mozzilla!

>>52891710
>mfw Firefox will become a Hello+Pocket client with a "web-srufing" addon

>>52899437
I use Filezilla for normal FTP stuff, but you can't deny how convenient it is to also have it in-browser, and be able to quickly access directories without having to open another program.
Also the convenience of being able to use your regular bookmark library is worth keeping the feature alone.

>>52899437
>Honestly it's pretty shit at it anyway. Use a real FTP client instead, you'll be glad you switched.
Many sites offer FTP as a mirror for downloading stuff from them. I find it often faster than HTTP when downloading from oversea locations or when http server dies.

>>52899445
>pocket
>hello

> what is bloatware

also this >>52899498

>>52898389
Because they're all forks of Chromium, you moron. That's what's popular, not WebKit. Nobody gives a shit about Blink, it's just what happens to come with Chromium. Of course it's everywhere, because fucking Google are pushing it. The only reason they forked WebKit in the first place is so that they could be in control.

All this is totally irrelevant anyway. WebKit is not deprecated and only a retard would suggest that it is.

>>52899617
>That's what's popular, not WebKit

*not Blink

>>52892068
Who cares, you're not important.

>>52899598
I know but I'll just live with copying the link and pasting in my FTP client.
I've had issues with Firefox interrupting the downloads and not being able to resume anyways, so I already do exactly that for larger files…

>>52899734
I usually just copy-paste the link into console, prepanding it with wget.
I had once a plugin for FF, which gave an option to download links using wget, but it stopped working and was too lazy to fix it, as its developer stopped responding...

>>52899612
I'm the same guy, mate.

>>52899832
hi5 then.

>>52899617
>Of course it's everywhere, because fucking Google are pushing it.

Google is not pushing other browsers to be Chromium-based.

They could choose to be WebKit-based instead and Google wouldn't care.

>>52891604
>From there you can easily just drop gecko and replace it with blink.
The plan is actually to replace it with servo. Servo makes use of webkit's APIs so it's basically a drop in replacement for webkit

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>>52889818
>australis lands
>can no longer put bookmarks above tabs

>>52899854
Cheers.

>>52897664
it does, set browser.ctrlTab.previews to true in about:config.

>>52889818

theres probably an add-on/scricpt available for that feature