>there is literally no reason for this to happen
>Intel is literally Hitler
What reasons do you faggots have to not switch to AMD?
not yet. They still have one last ride.
>we do not recommend overclocking processors that have not been designed to do so
Oh, so they only mean every single CPU ever made ever? Overclocking is not a CPU feature, it's the user pushing the device beyond its rated capabilities at the risk of instability, otherwise they may as well have just clocked it faster to begin with.
wtf is overclocking?
So if you buy this processor, meaning you own it, you can't do this overclocking thing? It's your property though
Wouldn't that be like buying a car and the manufacturer releases an update after you buy it that sets the max speed at 80 even though it can potentially go 100?
>Wouldn't that be like buying a car and the manufacturer releases an update after you buy it that sets the max speed at 80 even though it can potentially go 100?
Anon, car manufacturers basically already do that.
Some cars need you to buy software updates to unlock certain components.
I'll happily switch over to AMD when they start making decent processors.
Anything they have right now just doesn't measure up.
I'm still on a 2500k with no incentive whatsoever to upgrade or switch over to AMD.
FX-8370 with Wraith Cooler costs only 194€ and can easily be OC'ed to 5+ GHz.
The cheapest OCable i5 is the i5-4670K that costs 251€
but you with still need 212 Evo for 30€ since the stock cooler is shit and you have to pay 50€ premium for a board that supports OC.
194€ vs 331€
Intel is finished.
I really want Intel to release a single core CPU with hyperthreading clocked at 4ghz stock and unlocked, on a 7nm process.
It would just be such sweet justice to watch it blow at gaming despite all the claims of "muh single currr perfurrrmance"
You are a fucking retard, ofcourse a single core cpu would get blown away by decent quad cores.
However, a quad core with high single core performance will blow away an octa core with low single core performance as most game related workloads because almost no game uses more than 4 cores.
Your argument from an extreme standpoint (1 core) proves nothing
The G3258 performs like shit in most big games released in the past year though. "Most" big budget games now use 4 or more cores. Some like Far Cry 4 scale extremely well with 8+ cores. The "hurr games only use two cores at most" meme is dead.
And you can thank AMD's shitty CPUs for that. Games are becoming more multi-threaded because the new consoles have shitty laptop CPUs with 8 cores.
>there is literally no reason for this to happen
Of course there is: Money. But tell me, what would you do if you overclocked your CPU and fried it in the process. because the processors sold running on low clocks are designed to run on low (or at least lower) clocks? You would take it to your retailer and have it replaced under warranty. Because the retailer would indeed be unable to tell why the CPU doesn't work. So that is not entirely fair, is it?
>You are a fucking retard, ofcourse a single core cpu would get blown away by decent quad cores.
That's a really strong statement
it's probably because they want to stop cheap neckbeards turning their skylake cpus into paperweights, i.e. their protecting idiots from their own stupidity
if you want a K cpu, fucking buy one
What's wrong with dual core?
My mom is using an a6 6400k and it's not even overclocked, but it's all she needs.
Not everyone is a fucked up gamer who thinks everyone needs an i7 + 980 ti like you.
>links for proof needed
Intel shut down an unauthorised feature? Really?!?
This is the second time Asrock have done this, the first time around they may well have been trying to do something cool but this time around it was clear that it was a marketing stunt.
All you anons who recommended buying i3s and overclocking them, where are you now? Come on, out with you, I want to say "I told you so"
>All you anons who recommended buying i3s and overclocking them, where are you now? Come on, out with you, I want to say "I told you so"
They don't have to upgrade the Bios, you fucking cuck
So can we still overclock an i3 or will this feature refuse to work with new Intel processors because of some microde shit?
Pretty sure I should be able to find the right bios online that other users might upload.
>half the ipc
>4x as many cores
4x 0.5 =2 anon.
Double the performance at stock frequency.
And if energy consumption is an issue get the 8320e.
If energy consumption isn't an issue, overclock it and it'll overtake an i7 4770 even.
That already happens. For example, you buy a car, and some fagtard crashes it going like 100, they could easily find a fault with the wheel bearings and limit the car to 80 and issue a recall. Doesn't matter who's property it is
Not sure what the previous anon meant but.
You can improve 1 at the cost of the remaining two. You don't even need a different engine. The ratios can be entirely controlled via software. VW just boosted performance of their cars by not giving a fuck about the pollution.
These are pushed out via windows update. You going to go through the updates one by one to find out which one it is? Even then, if you're running Windows 10 you're pretty much fucked. It'll be updated whether you like it or not.
Next time try not to throw around insults without knowing what you're talking about.
>These are pushed out via windows update. You going to go through the updates one by one to find out which one it is? Even then, if you're running Windows 10 you're pretty much fucked. It'll be updated whether you like it or not.
>Next time try not to throw around insults without knowing what you're talking about.
I like how you came back about an hour later just to say that.
FYI, running linux right now.
>I like how you came back about an hour later just to say that.
Yes, I went away from the computer, did other things, came back to the computer and replied to an anon who replied to me. /g/ is slow enough to do that.
>FYI, running linux right now.
Oh yeah, that totally excuses confusing "microcode update" with "BIOS update"
>Oh yeah, that totally excuses confusing "microcode update" with "BIOS update"
How the fuck do you think they update the microcode? Even fucking coreboot ships with intel's binary blobs.
No modern motherboard uses a BIOS. UEFI is a lot more modular, allowing changes like that to be implemented from the OS very easily and not coming close to anything we would classically call a "BIOS update"
>those rock-solid FX-6300 frame times at stock with shit RAM vs much newer i3 designs
Intel really is shit. Oh, you want to get that FX-6300 to the top of the pack? Spend the $30 difference on a decent air cooler and clock that shit up to 4.5ghz, then see if you can bump your RAM up any. If not, no big deal; you'll still be doing better than the latest i3, and you'll have a custom cooler you can use on multiple builds in the future.
As a proud owner of a 6700k I can say this is pretty shitty move on Intel's part.
Who the fuck cares if you can oc shitty i3's or i5's? They're limited to blck overclocks. You can get a decent oc out of them but you can't hit the high clocks of the k series.
Let the commoners save some of their peasant money and enjoy some enthusiasm by being able to oc a little and enjoy gaming.
Don't be ridiculous and Jew then out.
Amd needs to be successful with zen for we can get away from these draconian behaviors.
Sometimes it's a safety thing too, some cars have engines powerful enough to go past 260km/hr but are restricted to 200 because the frame itself isn't capable to holding together to the safety standards of the transport department.
Looking at you Holden.
Those CPUs were never meant to be overclocked. Idiots who try to overclock will probably end up blowing out their CPU, damaging their computer, and potentially causing injury. Intel is making the right call here, they're just trying to protect morons from themselves. If you really want to overclock that bad, skip starbucks for a few days and save up the $30 to get a CPU that is meant to be overclocked safely.
It's just one misdeed amongst many.
I buy AMD partly for this reason.
>meant to be overclocked safely
An OC is an OC, there's no "safe overclock". It doesn't matter if it's a K or non-K CPU, you're still playing the silicon lottery and can get fucked with unstable overclocking on a low-binned CPU.
my brother died overclocking .
he wasn't rad enough
>but most games use 2 cores
as old pre 2007? yes
as of today? no
It was the real thing. Intel didn't do it afterwards because they probably realised that they don't want to have people thinking about how their hardware is artificially limited.
When it is non-unlockable it can be excused by the possibility that the locked parts can be defective and the CPU is harvested like that. But if the chip is guaranteed to be fine by existence of such remote upgrades, then that is something that tends to get people pissed off.
BTW that upgrade wasn't even very good, it was just HT and small aprt of cache IIRC, yet it was relativelly expenisive.
AnandTech has "nice" apologism article. Longwinded blabla with such terms as "something has to be said about user experience", to get around teh fact that it is consumer-unfriendly step.
Well, tehy gotta keep their advertiser and supporter happy, of course, but I thought they weren't *that* bad.
Overclocking is for poorfags who can't afford to get a good processor. This fake overclocking trick just lets even poorerfags tlo try to save a few bucks. If you want quality, you have to pay for it, plain and simple. There's no shortcuts.
i enjoy performance. That's why I got an fx6300 instead of an i5 2500 and saved a hundred Australian $$$.
All I play now is battlefield 4 and gta v so I doubt I'd even notice the difference.
Haven't even overclocked yet. Performs great.
Who gives a shit? Honestly, you don't need to overclock your cpu to get any noticeable gain, just wastes more heat and energy. Not even trolling or baiting, if you really NEED a CPU to be overclocked to do whatever it is you do, you can afford the unlocked. Just shut the fuck off and go shitpost elsewhere.
>no decent rebuttal
>lol xD you are work at intel thats why you think dat
OP asked for a reason and that's mine, i know you prefer to jack off to some hentai and probably amd processors are powerful enough to do that but i prefer to play arma 3 from time to time.
Amd processors are too far behind right now so there's no reason to downgrade to amd, just wait for zen and maybe then will be some reasons to upgrade to amd.
I'm just waiting for gaymen to use more cores, and AMD to cross from being the more lower end CPUs, and begin attacking the High End market. This is for both CPUs and GPUs. They are getting more competitive with GPUs though.
y'all niggas really are young as fuck.
I can't be the only one that remembers when the PII was released and we found out that Intel tried to kill overclocking by locking the multiplier. Only way to oc back then was to change the bus speed and you could barely stretch it past 75MHz unless you had one of the first two Celerons (266 or 300, slot 1, no L2 cache). Put either one on a 100MHz bus and those things could demolish a P2-400 or 450 in 3D gaming.
Intel has gone through great lengths to stop oveclocking and anything else that would allow you to buy a cheaper part and extract performance out of it (i.e. disabling SMP on Celerons)
my first computer!
Not the same guy, but AMD cores themselves are absolute shit.
If 8 core started becoming a gaming thing (and people actually gave a shit), Intel would delicately wipe the floor with AMD all because of more RnD budget and better marketing (or any at all.
Stop trying to convince other people to take away your buyer's remorse.
>You OC a non-k processor and it doesn't die in half a year
Grats, you won the silicone lottery!
>You OC a non-k processor and it dies within the warantee period
Oops! Guess you can just return it and get another one since there's no way to tell you basically ruined it.
What would really be nice is if Intel started keeping an internal temp/voltage/speed log inside the chip itself. I would pay front row seats to see the look on the neckbeard's face when they get a notice back informing them that no, they won't be getting a replacement and yes, they know you OCed it and destroyed it.
Most cars are over spec'ed and under tuned, mostly to make it last long and be more reliable.
Makes sense when you think about it, as a family car doesn't need to go from 0-100 in under 3 seconds. Get a performance car if you want that.
It might outperform the i5 6600 in was scenario like that though.
Only AMD worth getting was the fx 6300 in my opinion, priced against i3, could match an i5 3570 in some games. Plus it'll still be relevant thanks to dx12 scaling.
Im not a facist but If I could time travel back in 1940s I'd help Hitler win the war and dominate the world , Because I have seen this side of the story and it sucks ! Btw I'm using Intel .
I've always wondered how AMD ended up at this situation where the performance gap has become so big that there is literally no reason to buy an AMD CPU unless you're strapped for cash.
>Measuring CPUs using a stupid as shit CPU 3D rendering 3DMark 11
>AMD confirmed to be good at useless shit nobody wants it to be good at and useless at shit people need it to be good at
>AMDtard crows about the one benchmark while people with any amount of sense realize that under every other workload Intel shits on AMD garbage at every price point.
But sure you can get a few FPS more CPU rendering Crysis slideshows.
>uses multiple cores
>AI is still single threaded
If you want single thread performance then yes intel is better.
That's what Zen is trying to fix. AMD has better multicore performance for the same bucks.
Even the i7s do not perform significantly better than the i3.
When's the last time someone ruined a CPU by overclocking within reasonable levels? Most recent Intel chips can hold 4.3~4.5Ghz 24/7 under load with a decent cooler, which is pretty significant since the base clock can be 1Ghz less.
Rendering slightly faster is not worth the risk of having a bluescreen the night before a deadline.
OC also kicks up your power consumption since there is no speedstep anymore. Buying a simple non-K but stronger CPU is a better deal.. IMO.
I also thought about buying a Xeon with company money, because those can also turbo boost to eternity, yet can speedstep very well.
Intel has always been hostile to overclocking. You used to have to physically alter the CPU in order to do it. Motherboards actually designed for OCing weren't always a thing.
AMD didn't exactly encourage it to begin with, but they've always made it easy, and they haven't tried to hinder it once it started to become common. That's kind of why AMD's popularity grew in the late 90s and early 00s. They were thought of as the OCer's CPU.
> have AMD CPU and GPU
> 900W idle consumption
> computer spitting flames into my face from time to time
> 1080p because my Fury is not weak, 1080p is just the better than the rest
> buy a 120gb SSD with all that saved money from buying AMD instead of Intel
intel did it once with weaker CPUs, it was like a G series Pentium or something like that, the one of the first ones.
and they stopped doing this after this one model.
and it was region limited, like it was in Netherlands only IIRC?
Well, here you go: Blade and Soul just came out for NA/EU.
It can only use two cores.
What now, weaboo shitposter?
X4 Chart: I don't think the G was OC'd...
There are games that refuse to launch with two cores only though, so there is that.
But most of the times you can just bypass this.
If nothing uses more than 4 cores does this mean that a Athlon X4 845 for 66€
is faster than a FX-6300 for 102€
They both have 3.5 GHz but the X4 845 has a better architecture.
And it's not a reason to not have it again.
DLC new hardware licenses (so you can use new RAM, HDD's or whatever with your Intel-made CPU's and shit).
Microcode is what runs the processor, it signals which lines should be high during a given cycle to complete an instruction
AFAIK it can't be permanently reflashed, just hotflashed that survives until reboot.
On Linux you can use this mechanism to replace the microcode at will, Intel is even the one that wrote the drivers for it.
the irony that you literally just described processors
the non-K versions failed initial tests and thus are overclocked for a reason
most people who buy a CPU and build a computer to use dont want it to fail in a year an have to drop hundreds of more dollars
Yeah. But honestly, when you buy a chip, like an i7 920, you may end up with an i7 950 or better.
It's all just a silicon lottery.
You are paying for a better quality chip.
Just bought a GTX780 with a 90%+ ASIC quality for my gf.
I don't even know what it means but the seller was proud of this card.
So I think this lottery is now a thing in GPUs as well.
>the non-K versions failed initial tests and thus are overclocked for a reason
Wow, you have an insight into Intel's binning process that literally nobody else, apparently! Tell me Mr. Intel Insider, why do these non-K chips overclock just as well as the K ones and remain completely stable if they weren't just arbitrarily locked off because Intel are greedy kikes?
Hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan, this is Stan.
and every single time you "refill" your liquid cooler is a replacement
and CLC's literally only work for a year or two as per the literal life time of the chemicals inside them, the cheapest CLC unit of any merit is almost 100 bucks a pop
Literally, hu? They haven't covered that bit of vocabulary in your junior high yet, have they?
Let's try to use the word in a sentence.
You are literally an misusing words if you claim Intel is literally Hitler.
SKYLAKE i3 6100 MASTER RACE
OVERCLOCKED TO 4.5
LITERALLY FREE PERFORMANCE FOR LITTLE MONEY.
>enjoy your uefi update
implying I would
>it's micro code included with windows!!! what are you gonna do? look through every windows update>?!?!?!?!
IMPLYING I UPDATE WINDOWS EVER
stay salty /g/
you're literally cucked
This better be codename for a Gaming Frig.
At any rate, locking people out of their fucking hardware is a scum thing to do that should have no place in this day and age.
Seriously, it's like you couldn't drill your car engine for more CC's or some shit. It's yours, do whatever you like with it, in the worst case you'll brake it and need to buy a new one. The carousel goes around.
Yeah sorry but I've been using my i7-930, which is overclocked to 4GHz, daily since 2009 with no issues. This was a base model and wasn't one of the overpriced unlocked multiplier models intended for overclocking.
>free performance for little money
so OC'ing your previous haswell build would have cost more than buying an entire fucking new build because Intel made you think meme lake "technology" couldnt work without 1 extra pin
I am more concerned about power use, heat, and the only 2 cores.
Most games already lock you out if you only have 2 cores.
I am also thinking about buying an i3 though, i5 seems like wasted money for games.
Most games can never max out even 3 cores of my i7, let alone 4 or more.
The microcode comes with windows update, so you'd probably have to go though the updates and disable it if you want to skip it. Even if you download it, i think microcode can't be flashed over reboots.
>wtf is overclocking?
What is even the point of OCing these days besides flauting "muh ePeen"? Is anyone even impressed by that shit anymore? Grats, you turned on the the "turbo" option in your BIOS or whatever. Now you get a few extra FPS in some shitty tech demo disguised as a game, or can render video 30 seconds faster than the other guy. Who gives a shit?
intel is still better and if I want to overclock I still have that option...I can just by a k-model.
huuuuur a company is trying to make things more accesible for a wider audience, why can't they just make all their products for me :( :( :(
You are literally retarded.
You do know that over clocking literally destroys your cpu right? Running transistors at higher voltages for prolonged periods of time will destroy them, especially if you run it in the knee of the Iv curve at high temperatures.
This is a good thing. It prevents morons from ruining their hardware.
CPUs are designed to the point of outliving their usefulness by a large margin. you can use that extra lifespan by overclocking. As for temps, it's dumb to overclock without an aftermarket cooler
Oh no, goys are using our products in unintended ways costing us profit. We better slap the customer.
Oh you overclock non BE cpu and unlocked dual core to a quad core? do what you want, just forget the warranty
My Core 2 Quad Q6600 is still going strong. I ran it stock for about a year, then said "Fuck it" (I had money in those days), and took it from stock 2.4 to 3.6
That was about 6 years ago now, it's been the most stable PC I've ever owned.
>Runs Fallout 4 despite Bethesda bullshit
>No further fucks given until next Elder Scrolls
Why do Intel do this? The market for boxed desktop CPUs itself is fucking tiny for them, and then this kind of enthusiast stuff is a fraction of even that.
Surely the goodwill from simply not being complete dicks would be better than the thousands of dollars they save not letting autismos on a Chinese imageboard buy unauthorised CPUs to overclock, especially since they're in such a monopolistic position.
I can understand why Intel is doing this. Non k cards are usually not as good yield wise compared to the full k production lines. For ever non k card you successfully overclock, another one burns out.
Add in all the kiddies who don't know what the hell they are doing and go for instantly overclocking to 6.0ghz+ and burn out the cpu within the RMA period and you have a problem.
>for every non k card you successfully overclock, another one burns out
You know that's not true, unless it's an idiot who uses insane voltages.
If the cpu can't handle the overclock it crashes. I've had my i7 870 at 4.2ghz for 2 years now, it's not an overclocking chip, it hasn't burnt out.
I would, but I have this really nice i7 920 and Intel Mobo I really like. I could update everything from my current build and OC my 920 and it would be sufficent enough for my daily needs.